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Christians Victims Of Rising Hostility From Government/Secular Groups

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SMOGZINN said:
They are not attacked, we simply ask that the laws that are already in place be applied to Christians as well as minority groups. You are seeing demands for equal treatment as an attack.
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The law should be applied equally to ALL PEOPLE. But we what we have now is cases where Christianity gets unfair treatment but Other minorities get special treatment. This is wrong and must end
 
Its shameful to see people defending the actions against Christians, you people are so ingrained with your hatred of Christians that you excuse all the other religions which do much worse stuff
 
Aww, the poor oppressed Christians! When will someone come forward to stand up for this underfunded, defenseless minority?

Oh, wait - THOSE Christians. They're a group to which the majority of Americans belong, have virtually boundless wealth, and overwhelmingly control all branches of government at the state, federal and local level. I guess I was whining for nothing.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Aww, the poor oppressed Christians! When will someone come forward to stand up for this underfunded, defenseless minority?

Oh, wait - THOSE Christians. They're a group to which the majority of Americans belong, have virtually boundless wealth, and overwhelmingly control all branches of government at the state, federal and local level. I guess I was whining for nothing.
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There are many Christians but not as many as you think. The media always attack Christians but not the other religions because of political correctness. There are double standards, just look at how the media treated the army major and anders brevik.
 
Incorruptible said:
The law should be applied equally to ALL PEOPLE. But we what we have now is cases where Christianity gets unfair treatment but Other minorities get special treatment. This is wrong and must end
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And we fight against that just as vehemently. No one cares what religion you are, just that you don't try to force it's tenets on the rest of us. The things is, there is VERY little we have to do to fight against and minority religion getting any special privileged, mainly because anytime it is found some major christian group tosses billions at the problem and the few thousand dollars we can raise is meaningless.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Aww, the poor oppressed Christians! When will someone come forward to stand up for this underfunded, defenseless minority?

Oh, wait - THOSE Christians. They're a group to which the majority of Americans belong, have virtually boundless wealth, and overwhelmingly control all branches of government at the state, federal and local level. I guess I was whining for nothing.
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Boundless wealth? You been smoking crack?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Boundless wealth? You been smoking crack?
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Christians, as a whole, control the overwhelming majority of all wealth in this country. Obviously I'm not saying every American Christian is wealthy, but collectively their wealth and political influence is enormous, and certainly greater than that of any other religious affiliation (e.g., there has never been a President who was not a Christian). The point is, we're not talking about a group that can't defend itself.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Christians, as a whole, control the overwhelming majority of all wealth in this country. Obviously I'm not saying every American Christian is wealthy, but collectively their wealth and political influence is enormous, and certainly greater than that of any other religious affiliation (e.g., there has never been a President who was not a Christian). The point is, we're not talking about a group that can't defend itself.
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FYI...Christian income pretty much tracks with the national average.
http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1002/almighty-dollar/flat.html

If Christians have so much political influence...please tell me why abortion is still legal in this country?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
FYI...Christian income pretty much tracks with the national average.
http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1002/almighty-dollar/flat.html

If Christians have so much political influence...please tell me why abortion is still legal in this country?
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I didn't say they were disproportionately wealthy - it's just that in raw numbers, Christians control the most wealth, because they make up more than three quarters of all Americans. We are not talking about a group that is at risk of being marginalized or taken advantage of - they control the overwhelming majority of this country's wealth and power.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
I didn't say they were disproportionately wealthy - it's just that in raw numbers, Christians control the most wealth, because they make up more than three quarters of all Americans. We are not talking about a group that is at risk of being marginalized or taken advantage of - they control the overwhelming majority of this country's wealth and power.
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They are a whiny lot too. See OP for conformation.
 
Also something like .2% of inmates are atheists so we seem to be doing pretty good. Maybe you should start listening to us more instead of whining about us ruining your good time in fantasy land.
 
BudAshes said:
Also something like .2% of inmates are atheists so we seem to be doing pretty good. Maybe you should start listening to us more instead of whining about us ruining your good time in fantasy land.
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In my opinion, outside of "god not existing", I have yet run into two separate Atheists that share the same.. thoughts... shall I say.

Meaning, all Christians believe in God and Christ (that may differ to varying degrees, though) and generally are moral people.

However in my limited experience talking to them, Atheists really seem not to agree on much at all outside of "God not existing".

I know they don't have a "belief system", but if the want to call themselves a group or whatever, then I should get the same response from all of them generally about what they "believe" in, for lack of a better word.
 
Rob M. said:
In my opinion, outside of "god not existing", I have yet run into two separate Atheists that share the same.. thoughts... shall I say.

Meaning, all Christians believe in God and Christ (that may differ to varying degrees, though) and generally are moral people.

However in my limited experience talking to them, Atheists really seem not to agree on much at all outside of "God not existing".

I know they don't have a "belief system", but if the want to call themselves a group or whatever, then I should get the same response from all of them generally about what they "believe" in, for lack of a better word.
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A lot of atheists are moral as well. Being moral and ethical have very little to do with belief or faith in G-d.

And what is it they have to "agree" on? Atheism and atheists exist and have existed in all societies; they cut across income classes, geographical borders, race, gender, sexual orientation, education, etc.

I see, so members of other groups, religious or otherwise should have a group mind and a group speak? Atheism is a denial of G-d's existence; no "belief" in something else is needed.

Would it make it easier on you if atheists all wore the same shirt or wore an armband or something?
 
alzan said:
A lot of atheists are moral as well. Being moral and ethical have very little to do with belief or faith in G-d.
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*sigh

Not what I was saying, I was just identifying Christians in general as an example.


I see, so members of other groups, religious or otherwise should have a group mind and a group speak? Atheism is a denial of G-d's existence; no "belief" in something else is needed.
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They believe in separation of Church and State.
 
Rob M. said:
*sigh

Not what I was saying, I was just identifying Christians in general as an example.




They believe in separation of Church and State.
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Somewhat pedantic, wouldn't you agree? It's a good principle by which to govern. I don't think either one of us want to live in one the worlds' current countries that don't separate Church and State.

And our forefathers believed in it as well. You remember them, that motley crew of guys that among other things thought it would be a really bad idea to let a religion and it's belief system run the country. Some were Deists, some Christian, likely a couple of atheists as well.
 
alzan said:
It's a good principle by which to govern. I don't think either one of us want to live in one the worlds' current countries that don't separate Church and State.
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My opinion is this:

I don't think it will make anything better here, in fact, it may get even worse. They want to oust religion out of politics, but... they will not go without a fight.

If you ask me, I'd say religion has helped them. Churches have endorsed and supported candidates of various offices (though, they can't officially endorse them without running the risk of not being non-profit). I'd go as far as to say that's it's been a "scratch my back, and I will scratch yours" type relationship.

It's gone too far to just "part ways peacefully".
 
Rob M. said:
My opinion is this:

I don't think it will make anything better here, in fact, it may get even worse. They want to oust religion out of politics, but... they will not go without a fight.

If you ask me, I'd say religion has helped them. Churches have endorsed and supported candidates of various offices (though, they can't officially endorse them without running the risk of not being non-profit). I'd go as far as to say that's it's been a "scratch my back, and I will scratch yours" type relationship.

It's gone too far to just "part ways peacefully".
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It was never supposed to be there to begin with. You know there are scientists who daily check their faith at the door before they put on their lab coats, there' are also some politicians, thank goodness who know how to check their faith before beginning their workday. Your rights and their rights aren't being denied or trampled on just because of the separation of church and state.

"They won't go without a fight", is that an ultimatum? That's funny.

Churches and religious organizations are perfectly free to set up special tax entities so that they can endorse a specific candidate, they just have to abide by IRS rules. No rights being trampled on there. A "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" relationship? Hardly.

And my favorite, "It's gone too far to just "part ways peacefully"". I guess you are looking for a fight. Tell me, which part of the Bible is that from; Mercenaries 2,17-30? Or is it from Sermon On The Mount?
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
I didn't say they were disproportionately wealthy - it's just that in raw numbers, Christians control the most wealth, because they make up more than three quarters of all Americans. We are not talking about a group that is at risk of being marginalized or taken advantage of - they control the overwhelming majority of this country's wealth and power.
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Yes Christians are wealthy just like many other religions.

Abortion is LEGAL in the US and its taxpayer funded, there is no way you can claim that Christians control the country
 
Incorruptible

"Abortion is LEGAL in the US and its taxpayer funded, there is no way you can claim that Christians control the country"

Ignorant post of the day.

I know this might come as a surprise to you, but not all Christians consider abortion murder. And even a lot of them on the fence about it would allow it in certain circumstances.
 
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