Christians and Muslims clash in Cairo, 1 dead

[piasabird]

After seeing the problems that Muslims cause in other countries, I can understand Christians wanting to wipe them out. Did you know Muslims took over half of Italy and Spain? They were only kicked out by force.

 

[bfdd]

The point being, there were Christian on Muslim violence before Mubarak fell, and there is renewed same tensions after Mubarak fell.

But its somewhat difficult to get hyper outraged when only one person died in the violence.

In a better world, there would be no such Egyptian violence or Christian on Muslim tensions. Sadly its far worse in Iraq where Christians are becoming an endangered species.

IMHO, religious hatreds stink, all over the entire world. By in large, its what I like in the USA, as separation of church and State has turned Religious differences from a liability into an asset.

Hard to get hyper outraged when only one person died? YOU FLIPPED YOUR SHIT OVER THE FLOTILLA AND NO ONE DIED! God you are such a piece of shit, hypocritical douche.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Shouldn't you be saying:

"A religion of peace, Islam is," or "very much appreciated, your insight is."













__________________

one good!!!

 

[JS80]

So you're saying it's okay to hold ALL Christians responsible for abortion clinics that have been blown up and killed/hurt people in say the last 30 years?

The difference is 99% of Christians condemn violence like that. Nowhere did Jesus advocate violence to anyone. He taught unconditional love and forgiveness.

Whereas the majority of Muslims morally support what we consider "radical" and the rest keep the mouth shut because they are cowards.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The difference is 99% of Christians condemn violence like that. Nowhere did Jesus advocate violence to anyone. He taught unconditional love and forgiveness.

Whereas the majority of Muslims morally support what we consider "radical" and the rest keep the mouth shut because they are cowards.

Damn, you really show your ignorance of Islam. Do realize that Muslims believe in the same Prophets as Christians do? This includes Jesus, he's considered a Prophet in Islam. Therefore they are taught to follow his example.

I bet you don't know any Muslims at all. All the Muslims I know are angered by/speak out against any violence that is committed in the name of Islam.

 

[comptr6]

The difference is 99% of Christians condemn violence like that. Nowhere did Jesus advocate violence to anyone. He taught unconditional love and forgiveness.

Whereas the majority of Muslims morally support what we consider "radical" and the rest keep the mouth shut because they are cowards.

This is the truth. 99% of the worlds Christians are peace loving and condemn violence committed in the name of Christ, and 99% of muslims are radicals themselves or are too cowardly to speak out against them.

Anyone who has looked into this for themselves has seen the proof!

 

[piasabird]

They burned down the Christians Coptic Cathedral???

Soon as Muslims get a little power they want to start killing Christians or anyone they consider different.

I dont believe there are any good Muslims.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I would say based on what I see in the news and posted on the internet that 99% of Christians are hypocrites as they show absolutely no love for their fellow man. They shun the word of God when he says "Leave all judgment unto me". So all you hypocrites enjoy your time in hell.

 

[Infohawk]

So you're saying it's okay to hold ALL Christians responsible for abortion clinics that have been blown up and killed/hurt people in say the last 30 years?

Nice try at setting up a straw man.

 

[actuarial]

Nice try at setting up a straw man.

I dont believe there are any good Muslims.

Doesn't seem like a straw man to me?

 

[Infohawk]

Doesn't seem like a straw man to me?

What is the matter with you? Do you understand that londo jowo was responding to me in the first case? And that the post you quoted from piasabird was posted AFTER londo jowo's post?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Nice try at setting up a straw man.

You blame the many for the actions of the few. Then when the shoe is on the other foot it's a strawman.

You people are so blinded by your hatred you can see how you are exactly the same as the people you hate so much.

 

[Infohawk]

You blame the many for the actions of the few. Then when the shoe is on the other foot it's a strawman.

You people are so blinded by your hatred you can see how you are exactly the same as the people you hate so much.

Stop appealing to emotions because you can't think of better arguments. Where did I blame the many for the actions of the few? You're making a lot of assumptions in your posts.

 

[peonyu]

I would read the Egypt-Expat forum to get a better idea of what is really going on in Egypt. The folks on that board, many of them live and work in Egypt and have been there for years [some are Egyptian Copts aswell].

The AP stories seem to be spinning the events in Egypt as though Christians are not true victims, as though they are agitating the conflict and are "asking" for trouble [note the use of the word "clashes" in the AP article]...The truth of the matter, if you believe people who actually live in Egypt points to the extreme opposite. Mobs of Muslims in the thousands are rampaging the streets of Cairo and neighboring cities and are singling out Christians who dare to speak up and ask for equality. It doesnt stop with just roughing people up though, it ends with Churches being burned to the ground and 10+ Christians shot dead every time.

The story the OP quotes is also mislabled....A Muslim mob of 3000 vs 100 Christians protesting over their Church being torched to the ground does not equal a Clash...It is a slaughter and is religious persecution.

Egypt and other Muslim majority lands seem like a throwback to the American South. Instead of the KKK attacking and lynching black people as it was in the US, it is the Muslims who attack Christian and other religious minorities. They kill them and usually get away with it since by law - A Muslim's word is worth more than a non-Muslims word is in a court of law [in other words, if your not a Muslim but the perp is you are screwed 9 times out of 10].


Links-

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/egypt-expat-forum-expats-living-egypt/index2.html

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/eg...ead-church-torched-egypt-sectarian-clash.html


-Photo gallery of Coptic Protest in Egypt complete with English Subtitles-
https://picasaweb.google.com/sarahngb/MaspiroCopts#

Note that the above protest, complete with banners is what set off one of the many large scale so-called "clashes". Where 1000+ Muslims attack Christians [who seem to number at most 100]. I guess protesting and begging for Muslims to not burn your homes down, kill your families, and torching your Churches is considered a act of aggression to Muslims.






-Nearly 4000 Muslims Attack Christian Homes in Egypt, Torch Church-
This is a more accurate article on what is happening in Egypt. This is the same story that the OP's link is talking about, however it shows just how bad the Associated Press is. The AP story does not go into detail at all on what is really happening in this story...The AP would like us to believe that there is a "clash" going on over there. As though Christians and Muslims are equally duking it out. The truth is, there was a 4000 man [Muslim] mob that was high on the "Allah Akbars" that broke into Christian homes - burned their homes down - likely raped their women, and then burned the Copt's Church down as a final act. Does that sound like a clash or does it sound like a all out slaughter...
http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm


"A mob of nearly four thousand Muslims has attacked Coptic homes this evening in the village of Soul, Atfif in Helwan Governorate, 30 kilometers from Cairo, and torched the Church of St. Mina and St. George. There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the Church pastor Father Yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the Muslims inside the church."

"Witnesses said the mob chanted "Allahu Akbar" and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it."


The last quote where the Muslims swore to pray on the ruins of the burned down Christian Church, would be the same as pissing on a Mosque. So much for Muslim's having tolerance of others eh.

 

[bfdd]

i would read the egypt-expat forum to get a better idea of what is really going on in egypt. The folks on that board, many of them live and work in egypt and have been there for years [some are egyptian copts aswell].

The ap stories seem to be spinning the events in egypt as though christians are not true victims, as though they are agitating the conflict and are "asking" for trouble [note the use of the word "clashes" in the ap article]...the truth of the matter, if you believe people who actually live in egypt points to the extreme opposite. Mobs of muslims in the thousands are rampaging the streets of cairo and neighboring cities and are singling out christians who dare to speak up and ask for equality. It doesnt stop with just roughing people up though, it ends with churches being burned to the ground and 10+ christians shot dead every time.

The story the op quotes is also mislabled....a muslim mob of 3000 vs 100 christians protesting over their church being torched to the ground does not equal a clash...it is a slaughter and is religious persecution.

Egypt and other muslim majority lands seem like a throwback to the american south. Instead of the kkk attacking and lynching black people as it was in the us, it is the muslims who attack christian and other religious minorities. They kill them and usually get away with it since by law - a muslim's word is worth more than a non-muslims word is in a court of law [in other words, if your not a muslim but the perp is you are screwed 9 times out of 10].


Links-

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/egypt-expat-forum-expats-living-egypt/index2.html

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/eg...ead-church-torched-egypt-sectarian-clash.html


-photo gallery of coptic protest in egypt complete with english subtitles-
https://picasaweb.google.com/sarahngb/maspirocopts#

note that the above protest, complete with banners is what set off one of the many large scale so-called "clashes". Where 1000+ muslims attack christians [who seem to number at most 100]. I guess protesting and begging for muslims to not burn your homes down, kill your families, and torching your churches is considered a act of aggression to muslims.






-nearly 4000 muslims attack christian homes in egypt, torch church-
this is a more accurate article on what is happening in egypt. This is the same story that the op's link is talking about, however it shows just how bad the associated press is. The ap story does not go into detail at all on what is really happening in this story...the ap would like us to believe that there is a "clash" going on over there. As though christians and muslims are equally duking it out. The truth is, there was a 4000 man [muslim] mob that was high on the "allah akbars" that broke into christian homes - burned their homes down - likely raped their women, and then burned the copt's church down as a final act. Does that sound like a clash or does it sound like a all out slaughter...
http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm


"a mob of nearly four thousand muslims has attacked coptic homes this evening in the village of soul, atfif in helwan governorate, 30 kilometers from cairo, and torched the church of st. Mina and st. George. There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the church pastor father yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the muslims inside the church."

"witnesses said the mob chanted "allahu akbar" and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it."


the last quote where the muslims swore to pray on the ruins of the burned down christian church, would be the same as pissing on a mosque. So much for muslim's having tolerance of others eh.

owned everyone in this thread defending idiots

 

[comptr6]

Stop appealing to emotions because you can't think of better arguments. Where did I blame the many for the actions of the few? You're making a lot of assumptions in your posts.

It seems like a frequent argument made by leftists is that people are not responsible for the groups they are part of. For example, a Muslim atrocity takes place and they cry that all Muslims should not be blamed.

I think people are responsible for groups they choose to be part of. That includes members of religions and countries for the most part.

Let's take the examples of the Germans during World War II. I don't have a problem with the bombing of Dresden. Germans were collectively punished and frankly they deserved it. They could have actively resisted the Third Reich and most did not. Same goes with Iraqis and Afghans. 9/11 was an attack by Islam on the US and these people could have chosen not be muslims and not be collectively punished.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Yes, we all know how hospitable the European Christians have been towards Middle Eastern Muslims over the ages.

Don't forget 9/11!!! Forget any and all history prior to this date.

Londo, how about going back a little further in history to find out why.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I would read the Egypt-Expat forum to get a better idea of what is really going on in Egypt. The folks on that board, many of them live and work in Egypt and have been there for years [some are Egyptian Copts aswell].

The AP stories seem to be spinning the events in Egypt as though Christians are not true victims, as though they are agitating the conflict and are "asking" for trouble [note the use of the word "clashes" in the AP article]...The truth of the matter, if you believe people who actually live in Egypt points to the extreme opposite. Mobs of Muslims in the thousands are rampaging the streets of Cairo and neighboring cities and are singling out Christians who dare to speak up and ask for equality. It doesnt stop with just roughing people up though, it ends with Churches being burned to the ground and 10+ Christians shot dead every time.

The story the OP quotes is also mislabled....A Muslim mob of 3000 vs 100 Christians protesting over their Church being torched to the ground does not equal a Clash...It is a slaughter and is religious persecution.

Egypt and other Muslim majority lands seem like a throwback to the American South. Instead of the KKK attacking and lynching black people as it was in the US, it is the Muslims who attack Christian and other religious minorities. They kill them and usually get away with it since by law - A Muslim's word is worth more than a non-Muslims word is in a court of law [in other words, if your not a Muslim but the perp is you are screwed 9 times out of 10].


Links-

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/egypt-expat-forum-expats-living-egypt/index2.html

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/eg...ead-church-torched-egypt-sectarian-clash.html


-Photo gallery of Coptic Protest in Egypt complete with English Subtitles-
https://picasaweb.google.com/sarahngb/MaspiroCopts#

Note that the above protest, complete with banners is what set off one of the many large scale so-called "clashes". Where 1000+ Muslims attack Christians [who seem to number at most 100]. I guess protesting and begging for Muslims to not burn your homes down, kill your families, and torching your Churches is considered a act of aggression to Muslims.






-Nearly 4000 Muslims Attack Christian Homes in Egypt, Torch Church-
This is a more accurate article on what is happening in Egypt. This is the same story that the OP's link is talking about, however it shows just how bad the Associated Press is. The AP story does not go into detail at all on what is really happening in this story...The AP would like us to believe that there is a "clash" going on over there. As though Christians and Muslims are equally duking it out. The truth is, there was a 4000 man [Muslim] mob that was high on the "Allah Akbars" that broke into Christian homes - burned their homes down - likely raped their women, and then burned the Copt's Church down as a final act. Does that sound like a clash or does it sound like a all out slaughter...
http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm


"A mob of nearly four thousand Muslims has attacked Coptic homes this evening in the village of Soul, Atfif in Helwan Governorate, 30 kilometers from Cairo, and torched the Church of St. Mina and St. George. There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the Church pastor Father Yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the Muslims inside the church."

"Witnesses said the mob chanted "Allahu Akbar" and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it."


The last quote where the Muslims swore to pray on the ruins of the burned down Christian Church, would be the same as pissing on a Mosque. So much for Muslim's having tolerance of others eh.

But wait...I thought there was no such thing as MSM bias. /s

Muslim violence against Christians is escalating throughout the world as each day goes by. And God help them if they happen to fight back.

 

[FalseChristian]

Soon Jehovah by means of Jesus Christ will impel all nations to destroy false religion which includes Christendom and Islam.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It seems like a frequent argument made by leftists is that people are not responsible for the groups they are part of. For example, a Muslim atrocity takes place and they cry that all Muslims should not be blamed.

I think people are responsible for groups they choose to be part of. That includes members of religions and countries for the most part.

Let's take the examples of the Germans during World War II. I don't have a problem with the bombing of Dresden. Germans were collectively punished and frankly they deserved it. They could have actively resisted the Third Reich and most did not. Same goes with Iraqis and Afghans. 9/11 was an attack by Islam on the US and these people could have chosen not be muslims and not be collectively punished.

LMAO!!! I voted for one Democrat in the last 34 years I voted straight Republican line other than when I voted for Perot in 92. I just don't buy into the Islamophobe bullshit that far right tries to sell. I know as many Muslims who are upright and fair people as I do Christians. I choose not to blame the vast Muslim population for the actions of a few extremist.

One thing for certain that are many Christians that have blood on theirs hands as well.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Londo, how about going back a little further in history to find out why.

If the birthplace of Christ wasn't in Israel no Christian worldwide would give a ratass about the country/area. All the battles that Europeans have been involved with through history in the middle east revolves around the fact that the "Holy Land" is in Israel.

 

[peonyu]

But wait...I thought there was no such thing as MSM bias. /s

Muslim violence against Christians is escalating throughout the world as each day goes by. And God help them if they happen to fight back.

The US MSM media is useless. I dont think any of the media outlets are reporting the news in Egypt [or the Middle East in general] as it is. Maybe its a fear of being called anti-Muslim or racist if they show true scenes of the carnage ?

The worst of the MSM is the AP though and unfortunately nearly every US media outlet gets their info from them. Anytime they post a story you better read between the lines because most of the time the story is either a blatant lie or twisted to present the situation in a false manner.


Youtube video from Egypt, with the Muslim Mob hacking down the walls of the Church in Sool. Sure looks like a complete "Allah Akbar" mob attack to me and not a "Clash" as the AP claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwDCHOfuNpg&feature=youtu.be

Caption reads:
The tragedy of religious intolerance and violence still permeate violently in the Egyptian society. I know that some will wince, saying: agendas for foreign affairs, attempts to stir sedition, and that this is correct to speak: Where is the minds of those who were shouting Allah Akbar (God is greatest while they destroy the church using hammers???

 

[JEDIYoda]

The difference is 99% of Christians condemn violence like that. Nowhere did Jesus advocate violence to anyone. He taught unconditional love and forgiveness.

Whereas the majority of Muslims morally support what we consider "radical" and the rest keep the mouth shut because they are cowards.

That is exactly what I have been preaching in thread after thread after thread!@!@!!

 

[werepossum]

I would read the Egypt-Expat forum to get a better idea of what is really going on in Egypt. The folks on that board, many of them live and work in Egypt and have been there for years [some are Egyptian Copts aswell].

The AP stories seem to be spinning the events in Egypt as though Christians are not true victims, as though they are agitating the conflict and are "asking" for trouble [note the use of the word "clashes" in the AP article]...The truth of the matter, if you believe people who actually live in Egypt points to the extreme opposite. Mobs of Muslims in the thousands are rampaging the streets of Cairo and neighboring cities and are singling out Christians who dare to speak up and ask for equality. It doesnt stop with just roughing people up though, it ends with Churches being burned to the ground and 10+ Christians shot dead every time.

The story the OP quotes is also mislabled....A Muslim mob of 3000 vs 100 Christians protesting over their Church being torched to the ground does not equal a Clash...It is a slaughter and is religious persecution.

Egypt and other Muslim majority lands seem like a throwback to the American South. Instead of the KKK attacking and lynching black people as it was in the US, it is the Muslims who attack Christian and other religious minorities. They kill them and usually get away with it since by law - A Muslim's word is worth more than a non-Muslims word is in a court of law [in other words, if your not a Muslim but the perp is you are screwed 9 times out of 10].
SNIP

Note that the above protest, complete with banners is what set off one of the many large scale so-called "clashes". Where 1000+ Muslims attack Christians [who seem to number at most 100]. I guess protesting and begging for Muslims to not burn your homes down, kill your families, and torching your Churches is considered a act of aggression to Muslims.

-Nearly 4000 Muslims Attack Christian Homes in Egypt, Torch Church-
This is a more accurate article on what is happening in Egypt. This is the same story that the OP's link is talking about, however it shows just how bad the Associated Press is. The AP story does not go into detail at all on what is really happening in this story...The AP would like us to believe that there is a "clash" going on over there. As though Christians and Muslims are equally duking it out. The truth is, there was a 4000 man [Muslim] mob that was high on the "Allah Akbars" that broke into Christian homes - burned their homes down - likely raped their women, and then burned the Copt's Church down as a final act. Does that sound like a clash or does it sound like a all out slaughter...
http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm

"A mob of nearly four thousand Muslims has attacked Coptic homes this evening in the village of Soul, Atfif in Helwan Governorate, 30 kilometers from Cairo, and torched the Church of St. Mina and St. George. There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the Church pastor Father Yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the Muslims inside the church."

"Witnesses said the mob chanted "Allahu Akbar" and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it."

The last quote where the Muslims swore to pray on the ruins of the burned down Christian Church, would be the same as pissing on a Mosque. So much for Muslim's having tolerance of others eh.

Well said, and good info. I feared this, as the Muslim Brotherhood is the only organization besides the military with any power with Mubarrak gone. And the original protests did start right after Friday prayers.

Hopefully this will pass and Egyptians will decide to choose freedom and equality for all over an Iranian style theocracy. I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[umbrella39]

You blame the many for the actions of the few. Then when the shoe is on the other foot it's a strawman.

You people are so blinded by your hatred you can see how you are exactly the same as the people you hate so much.

They never do realize when they have become what they hate. Everyone can clearly see it but them... as you said they are blinded. Pretty sad.