Christianity is false and immoral. (Hitchens)

[Tom]

Wow dude, you're reaching Farrakhan level babble.

Can you provide a single example of what you mean ? Can you show that biology and cosmology are unrelated ?

 

[Blackjack200]

Can you provide a single example of what you mean ? Can you show that biology and cosmology are unrelated ?

I don't have to. Loosely - biology is the study of life and cosmology is the study of the universe. The fact that there are living things in the universe does not mean that a theory used to explain a law in cosmology will also explain a law in biology.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Somebody provided a very detailed definition of religion, it's exactly what I've been saying it is.

I provided a very detailed definition, and nowhere does it equate it with belief.

You apperantly think living things are not part of the universe ? What are living things made from ?

I do not think that.

Evolution is a process over time..don't you know that the study of time is a huge part of cosmology ?

So? Evolution is a process that operates on living things exclusively. Look, geology is not biology is not sociology is not cosmology is not psychology is not meteorology etc etc etc. All of science is interrelated at some level or another, but the kinetic theory of gases or the germ theory of disease are not all cosmological theories just because they happen inside the cosmos. WTF kind of idiot are you?

You aren't aware of the studies in biology to discover the origin of life itself ?

We're talking about Evolution, not the origin of life.

And the relationship of that study to studying the universe ? On a macro and micro scale ?

You have a very slender grasp on what constitutes a cosmological theory.

Scientific studies may exist in their own chimneys, but the object of study doesn't. It's world-wide, baby !

I think everyone here has you pretty well pegged. 🙄

 

[Tom]

I don't have to. Loosely - biology is the study of life and cosmology is the study of the universe. The fact that there are living things in the universe does not mean that a theory used to explain a law in cosmology will also explain a law in biology.

I never said it did. You turned it around in a way I never did.

Everything in biology, obviously, occurs in the universe. That's all I said. I never said the reverse is true.

Since you bring it up though, a theory that explains some observable phenomena in one scientific realm, but can be demonstrably proven false in another realm, isn't likely to be true. It might still have some use, but it can't very well be the actual fact.

 

[piasabird]

Everyone has their opinion. Christianity is an awful broad subject to bring up. There are a lot of churches and they all have different beliefs.

 

[Tom]

I think everyone here has you pretty well pegged. 🙄

Whatever. At least I never said this..

"We're talking about Evolution, not the origin of life."

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

As usual, when you have no point to make resort to insults.

I did make points. I only insult you because you earn the insults with your stupidity. The peculiar part is the sheer lack of embarrassment that you exhibit for your incredible ignorance.

All 4 points in the definition you provided are applicable to my use of the word religion..

Quite obviously false. The definitions given describe very specialized beliefs, outside of which include more commonplace non-religious beliefs.

I'll repeat it again, nobody uses the word "worldview" to say what I am saying, except you. If they do, show me the quotes ?

You can find over 7 million hits of the word on Google. Do your own research.

Your assertion is wrong.

Yeah, just like nobody uses the word worldview. If you told me the sky was blue I'd have to run outside to make sure nothing had changed.

If you don't like that analogy, try another: your claim is tantamount to asserting that even baldness is a hair color.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Whatever. At least I never said this..

"We're talking about Evolution, not the origin of life."

Yes, if you wrote something truthful, I would be as surprised as you.

 

[piasabird]

How did life begin?

 

[Blackjack200]

I never said it did. You turned it around in a way I never did.

Everything in biology, obviously, occurs in the universe. That's all I said. I never said the reverse is true.

Since you bring it up though, a theory that explains some observable phenomena in one scientific realm, but can be demonstrably proven false in another realm, isn't likely to be true. It might still have some use, but it can't very well be the actual fact.

😀

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. None of this means anything.

 

[Blackjack200]

Whatever. At least I never said this..

"We're talking about Evolution, not the origin of life."

LOL, evolution has nothing to say about the origin of life. Evolution explains the diversity of life.

 

[Tom]

I provided a very detailed definition, and nowhere does it equate it with belief.
🙄

Here's the definition you provided

religion (plural religions)
1.A collection of practices, based on beliefs and teachings that are highly valued or sacred.  [quotations ▼]

2.Any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.  [quotations ▼]

3.Any ongoing spiritual practice one engages in, in order to shape their character or improve traits of their personality.
4.An ideological and traditional heritage.  [quotations ▼]

The first two are exactly my point from the beginning. So is the 3rd one, with the caveat that I wouldn't use the word "spiritual" as a limit on what practices qualify, and that position is supported by the previous two definitions.
And #4 also is part of what I've expressed, the ideological part. I haven't mentioned tradition, but it's certainly a valid path to a belief or practice.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

How did life begin?

Please show that it did begin.

 

[Tom]

LOL, evolution has nothing to say about the origin of life. Evolution explains the diversity of life.

Diversity from what ? Going back to what ?

Where does the study of evolution end and the origin of life study begin ?

You have some evidence that evolution didn't start at the beginning ?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Here's the definition you provided

religion (plural religions)
1.A collection of practices, based on beliefs and teachings that are highly valued or sacred.  [quotations ▼]

2.Any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.  [quotations ▼]

3.Any ongoing spiritual practice one engages in, in order to shape their character or improve traits of their personality.
4.An ideological and traditional heritage.  [quotations ▼]

The first two are exactly my point from the beginning.

That's a blatant lie.

You stated directly that a belief = religion and that religion describes the totality of a person's beliefs. However, my belief that the Mariners are going to lose the next three games is not "highly valued or sacred" nor is it a "practice that someone is seriously devoted to" nor is it "an ongoing spiritual practice" nor is it "an ideological or traditional heritage."

Obviously then, there are beliefs in my worldview which are not religious. Therefore, your assertion that a religion describes the totality of a person's beliefs is clearly false.

Really, are you trying to convince us that you're dumber than we already know you to be?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Diversity from what ? Going back to what ?

Good question. There may not even be an origin.

Where does the study of evolution end and the origin of life study begin ?

Evolution operates on any population of imperfect replicators. Wherever and whenever those exist, evolution happens.

You have some evidence that evolution didn't start at the beginning ?

Do you have some evidence that there was a beginning?

 

[Matt1970]

Diversity from what ? Going back to what ?

Where does the study of evolution end and the origin of life study begin ?

You have some evidence that evolution didn't start at the beginning ?

I would think if life did begin on this planet then however it started would be the first chapter in evolution.

 

[Tom]

That's a blatant lie.

You stated directly that a belief = religion and that religion describes the totality of a person's beliefs. However, my belief that the Mariners are going to lose the next three games is not "highly valued or sacred" nor is it a "practice that someone is seriously devoted to" nor is it "an ongoing spiritual practice" nor is it "an ideological or traditional heritage."

Obviously then, there are beliefs in my worldview which are not religious. Therefore, your assertion that a religion describes the totality of a person's beliefs is clearly false.

Really, are you trying to convince us that you're dumber than we already know you to be?

Show me where I said "a belief = religion " I don't believe I did, and I don't believe it's true. I may have equated belief with religion, that isn't at all the same thing as "a belief".

I won't resort to name calling, I would like to have a conversation about the topic, I don't think you're the right person to though.

If you actually did believe the Mariners were going to lose, that's pretty close to
"a practice that someone is seriously devoted to"
particularly if you acted on that belieft in some way.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Show me where I said "a belief = religion " I don't believe I did, and I don't believe it's true. I may have equated belief with religion, that isn't at all the same thing as "a belief".

You're making a distinction without a difference, and it doesn't refute my clear demonstration of the incongruence of your usage with the definition supplied.

If you actually did believe the Mariners were going to lose, that's pretty close to
"a practice that someone is seriously devoted to"
particularly if you acted on that belieft in some way.

Jesus fuck you're an imbecile. How in the world could you sensibly say I was "seriously devoted" to that belief? If I bet against the Mariners with my bookie, is that the same as a person attending church every sunday for 25 years?

The bottom line is that not all beliefs are religious beliefs, and you're fucktard for not realizing it.

 

[Tom]

Good question. There may not even be an origin.


Evolution operates on any population of imperfect replicators. Wherever and whenever those exist, evolution happens.


Do you have some evidence that there was a beginning?

No, I don't personally, other than existence, if that's real. 🙂 There are other explanations for existence though, that don't require a beginning.

. I don't agree with some that evolution and the beginning of life are two seperate things, or that they are seperate from whatever processes existed before the origin of life, if there was a beginning.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I don't agree with some that evolution and the beginning of life are two seperate things, or that they are seperate from whatever processes existed before the origin of life, if there was a beginning.

Cool story, bro. You might as well disagree that circles are round or that squares have corners. It makes as much sense as disagreeing that evolution and abiogenesis are different things.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I don't agree with some that evolution and the beginning of life are two seperate things, or that they are seperate from whatever processes existed before the origin of life, if there was a beginning.

Why?

 

[Tom]

You're making a distinction without a difference, and it doesn't refute my clear demonstration of the incongruence of your usage with the definition supplied.


Jesus fuck you're an imbecile. How in the world could you sensibly say I was "seriously devoted" to that belief? If I bet against the Mariners with my bookie, is that the same as a person attending church every sunday for 25 years?

The bottom line is that not all beliefs are religious beliefs, and you're fucktard for not realizing it.

There's a huge difference between belief, and a belief.

You're right that not all beliefs are religious beliefs. I don't believe I said they are, if I did it was a mistake.

But the distinction has nothing to do orgainized religions, gods, spirituality, rational or irrational.

The difference is, what effect it has on the decisions you make, what effect it has on your life. If it's an important component of your life and actions, it's a religious belief.

 

[OutHouse]

Best nerd fight ever on this board

 

[Tom]

Why?

Because the knowledge I've acquired suggests that time passes and events unfold. One after the other.

That evolution seems to be haapening now, that it seems like it's been happening for a long time, I don't see a reason why it wouldn't start at the beginning. Or have always existed, if there's no beginning.