Christianity and Trump

[WelshBloke]

Which is why ISIS members claim to be Muslim and thus are Muslim...

And? They follow their own version of Islam, it doesn't mean that they represent other, more mainstream, followers of Islam.

 

[brycejones]

Trump fails in everything mentioned in this meme.

 

[realibrad]

And? They follow their own version of Islam, it doesn't mean that they represent other, more mainstream, followers of Islam.

That is a big departure from many of the people here that say that ISIS followers are not following Islam.

 

[WelshBloke]

That is a big departure from many of the people here that say that ISIS followers are not following Islam.

Different argument.

Do Christians need to strictly adhere to everything in the Bible to be Christians?

 

[sandorski]

The Israelite's commonly referred to the temple as heaven and earth, which was destroyed a "generation" later exactly as Jesus predicted in 70AD by the Romans.

In order to understand why the Jews did what they did in the Old Testament, and seemingly wiped out other people, you have to understand the covenants they made with God. There is a very, very interesting event that occurs in Exodus 19 that would forge how the Israelite's operated for the next many centuries. Prior to this event, God had forged what is called a "Grant Covenant" between Him and those who believed in Him. This is a covenant style that protects the relationship, and an example of a common grant covenant is, say, your relationship between yourself and your mother or father. Fresh out of slavery though, which was their identity, the Israelite's don't understand this. In Exodus 19 God invites them up to the mountain after the long blast of the ram's horn, and they don't come. They think God is scary, and they basically state, "Just give us rules and laws that we can follow, and we'll do that instead." The story is more complex than that, but that's what happened. And so because of those events, while God wanted to forge a Grant Covenant and "Bless the nations because of you," the Israelite's instead chose to forge a Parity Covenant with God. This is a common covenant that is forged between two people, peoples, or nations where the laws by which they abide by are duplicated on two stones or scrolls, and they each go their separate ways where their "god" enforces both sides. Common examples of a parity covenant are trade agreements, NATO, etc. And when two people come into parity covenant, the enemies of one become the enemies of the other, and this pitted God against the Israelite's enemies. God chose to enter into this covenant because it was the only way to have some sort of relationship with the Israelite's (they didn't understand, and they didn't want to be in grant covenant with God), but it was never God's heart. His heart was always to be in covenant of that of a father/son relationship, and prior to this, His relationship with humans was always just that.

And centuries later, Jesus came to abolish this and re-establish the proper covenant with mankind. In Luke 15, the story of the parable son, this is an example of just that. God's heart was NEVER to be in parity of vassal covenant. It is not God's heart to ever control us, to lay down tons of rules and say, "Obey, or else!". It is always to be in relationship of that of a Father/Son/Daughter.

So if you're ever wondering why Jesus came, or why the Israelite's wiped out babies and seemingly did some pretty rotten things, that's why. When Jesus died on the cross, he made the old covenant obsolete just as he described. A generation later, that "covenant" was completely destroyed. And since then, the "Kingdom of God" has been expanding across the earth, but it is not a physical one, it's a spiritual one.

Dubious claim, since the Gospels were not written until the Temple was destroyed or around the time of its' destruction.

 

[realibrad]

Different argument.

Do Christians need to strictly adhere to everything in the Bible to be Christians?

Nope. Which is why I always find it strange when people try to distance themselves from others they dont like from their religion. I agree that people can identify as Christian are Christian.

 

[Subyman]

I missed a lot of the discussion, but one thing stuck out about adherence to the old testament. From my study of the Bible and from what I've been taught, Jesus came to fulfill God's laws and set a living example for his followers. When asked what is the greatest commandment:

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

Number one is to love and follow the lord with all your heart because if you are close to God in all ways then you will follow God's laws because they are inscribed in your heart. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you need no other laws because they will be fulfilled through that action. This is the definition of empathy. Empathy is the greatest virtue/commandment and through empathy Christ's will is followed. It follows that if one does not value and love the self, then they can not live a Christ-like life. Extending it further, people who hate themselves typically live miserable existences and create misery around them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Seems like you get it. It's why people walk away. there's only so much bs they can take before they realize that organized religion isn't what it's cracked up to be.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/18.htm

two or more, there he is.

 

[Paratus]

¿Dónde está la biblioteca?
Me llamo T-Bone
La araña discoteca

Discoteca, muñeca, la biblioteca
Es en bigote grande, perro, manteca

Manteca, bigote, gigante, pequeño
Cabeza es nieve
Cerveza es bueno


Buenos días, me gustas papas frías
Bigote de la cabra
Es Cameron Díaz

 

[HomerJS]

People who supported Trump and claim they are Christian are a bunch of phonies.

 

[fskimospy]

People who supported Trump and claim they are Christian are a bunch of phonies.

I think evangelical Christianity should be viewed primarily as a cultural movement and not a theological one. The culture dictates the theology, not the other way around.

 

[HomerJS]

I think evangelical Christianity should be viewed primarily as a cultural movement and not a theological one. The culture dictates the theology, not the other way around.

People's evidence #1. Evangelicals have always had a hard on for Putin
Franklin Graham under fire for ‘pray for Putin’ appeal (yahoo.com)

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Trump admitted he wasn’t a Christian before he was elected. At the time I thought it would sink him, but of course I forgot that most Christians don’t understand or even care about their “faith”. Trump was asked a question which only has one answer as a Christian.

Trump believes in God, but hasn't sought forgiveness | CNN Politics

Donald Trump talked about his Christian faith Saturday, but said he's never sought forgiveness for his sins.

www.cnn.com

I think it’s fair to say you can’t be a Christian if you don’t seek forgiveness; it’s essentially the core tenet of Christianity. Find me a pastor or priest who is willing to claim that you don’t need to ask god for forgiveness through Jesus.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump admitted he wasn’t a Christian before he was elected. At the time I thought it would sink him, but of course I forgot that most Christians don’t understand or even care about their “faith”. Trump was asked a question which only has one answer as a Christian.

Trump believes in God, but hasn't sought forgiveness | CNN Politics

Donald Trump talked about his Christian faith Saturday, but said he's never sought forgiveness for his sins.

www.cnn.com

I think it’s fair to say you can’t be a Christian if you don’t seek forgiveness; it’s essentially the core tenet of Christianity. Find me a pastor or priest who is willing to claim that you don’t need to ask god for forgiveness through Jesus.

You’re going to be shocked when you find out most self described Christians don’t follow the tenets of Christianity very closely at all.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

You’re going to be shocked when you find out most self described Christians don’t follow the tenets of Christianity very closely at all.

Not shocked about that really. I admit to being a little astonished that Trump whiffed so hard on his answer, despite my already deeply subterranean opinion of his character and intellect. Just … wow. I’m not a Christian, never have been, and even I know what it’s about.

 

[HomerJS]

You’re going to be shocked when you find out most self described Christians don’t follow the tenets of Christianity very closely at all.

Not shocked but why do Republicans make their so called faith an issue? Nerve of those assholes asking KBJ to rate her faith on a scale of 1-10. She should have told them, "none of your fucking business. There is no religious test for this job"

 

[IronWing]

Not shocked but why do Republicans make their so called faith an issue? Nerve of those assholes asking KBJ to rate her faith on a scale of 1-10. She should have told them, "none of your fucking business. There is no religious test for this job"

"Senator Lindsey, sir, what the fuck is wrong with you?", would be a perfectly acceptable response.

 

[trenchfoot]

Seems to me for a lot of "Christians", they treat the Bible as a comprehensive list of suggestions that they can pick and choose from as a convenient means to qualify for the privilege of considering themselves as a member of their faith.

 

[cytg111]

I think its fair to asses that Trumps faithful flock has turned many many people away from Jesus. How can a faith of all things good worship an orange psychopathic ass clown of evil doings like Trump? Ergo Jesus must be a bust.

 

[fskimospy]

Not shocked but why do Republicans make their so called faith an issue? Nerve of those assholes asking KBJ to rate her faith on a scale of 1-10. She should have told them, "none of your fucking business. There is no religious test for this job"

They think they are very devout, so someone else’s devotion is important to them. They just don’t realize their devotion is to cultural conservatism, not Christianity as a religion.

 

[MtnMan]

People who supported Trump and claim they are Christian are a bunch of phonies.

No, they are just too fucking stupid to recognize that Trump is anything but a christian.

 

[trenchfoot]

Christians having their faith in Trump as their leader does make them out to be hypocrites of the highest order. They like him because of his stance against abortion and other religiously tainted issues, although Trump couldn't give two fucks about that. I'll go so far as to say that Trump thinks these religious activists are nothing more than nutjobs with votes that he needs to pander to.

The problem with that is these religiously influenced conservatives are having to buy the whole Trump Plan for his self-enrichment and not just what they want from him. They are guilty of having to support Trump's love affair with Putin, with the top to bottom corruption of Trump's administration and with Trump being a known threat to the security of the nation.

Nothing else matters to these pious folks because Trump is a mere tool that speaks and acts on their behalf, that Trump is being guided by their God to do their bidding. Never mind whatever else Trump has laid waste to. These folks have a higher calling and if those hundreds of millions of other Americans have to suffer for it, well so be it.

 

[MtnMan]

Christians having their faith in Trump as their leader does make them out to be hypocrites of the highest order. They like him because of his stance against abortion and other religiously tainted issues, although Trump couldn't give two fucks about that. I'll go so far as to say that Trump thinks these religious activists are nothing more than nutjobs with votes that he needs to pander to.

The problem with that is these religiously influenced conservatives are having to buy the whole Trump Plan for his self-enrichment and not just what they want from him. They are guilty of having to support Trump's love affair with Putin, with the top to bottom corruption of Trump's administration and with Trump being a known threat to the security of the nation.

Nothing else matters to these pious folks because Trump is a mere tool that speaks and acts on their behalf, that Trump is being guided by their God to do their bidding. Never mind whatever else Trump has laid waste to. These folks have a higher calling and if those hundreds of millions of other Americans have to suffer for it, well so be it.

I doubt Trump supports abortions in any way, he is just pandering to the evangelical christians. One wonders how many abortions Trump may have even paid for over his decades of abusing women.

 

[m8d]

People who supported Trump and claim they are Christian are a bunch of phonies.

This meme says it all.

 

[Captante]

One wonders how many abortions Trump may have even paid for over his decades of abusing women.

Anyone want to bet against this being a double-digit number starting with at least two?