Christianity and Trump

[elitejp]

Always a victim. It's not anti-Christian. It's anti-religion.

We don't need those things.

You may not need religion in general and the media paints a pretty bad picture of christianity for sure. But if you go to any jail in the usa you will find that just about all the inmates are atheists or not christians. The Christians that do follow God and are "christ like" are also the ones who truly are just kind people. I know in my church we are taught to love the person but hate the sin. Meaning that nobody is perfect and that you dont have the right to treat them like trash or second rate people. In fact in my church we are taught strongly to deal with your own problems or sins before even thinking about dealing with others...and I find that to be quite scriptural.

OP-I think it would be best to actually talk to your pastor about what he thinks and what you think before you start believing every christian is such and such.

 

[MongGrel]

You're going to be shocked, but most people who say they're Christian have no idea what it means and certainly don't live their life by it.

Chuck some money in the communion plate like Trump did early in his campaign, he didn't seem to know any better and it worked for him.

 

[elitejp]

European history is full of it. From Protestant v Catholic wars, to Protestant v Protestant wars. Even in the 13 Colonies there were armed conflicts between Christian groups. Then there was the Inquisition and numerous other smaller incidents like the Salem Witch trials.

There is alot the history books dont teach and alot that seems to have changed over the years. On an interesting note the christian pilgrims were the only ones to actually make contracts (which they abided by) and pay money to the native indians when colonizing the land. In other words the christian pilgrims were the only ones to fairly negotiate a deal during a time the Kings were declaring all of America to be their rightful possession

 

[elitejp]

Mongrel- I think it was mainly that people voted against Hillary Clinton.
I wish both sides had better choices to choose from

 

[elitejp]

Similarly, when discussing religion in America, the Salem Witch trials are
universally presented; but rarely mentioned are the positive societal changes
produced by Quakers, Baptists, Presbyterians, and dozen of other religious groups
and organizations that worked for the abolition of slavery,
secured religious freedoms for all, and fought to end societal abuses of all
types. (Also never mentioned is that the American witch trials resulted in some
two dozen deaths — and were halted by religious leaders, while the European
witch trials resulted in 100,000; that is, American Christianity at that time
might not have been perfect but it was light years ahead of both the Christianity
practiced in Europe and the European secularism that resulted in 40,000 executions
in the French Revolution.)

 

[MongGrel]

Mongrel- I think it was mainly that people voted against Hillary Clinton.
I wish both sides had better choices to choose from

Yeah, she was a criminal, and did not know how the government works of course.

/S

That new dude deregulating wall street for the next economic melt down that has no clue is working for the little guy, trust him

Even if he is impeached, we'd still be stuck with Pence.

And still stuck with any of the BS he does in the meantime.

It's just a matter of watching the melt down atm really.

 

[WelshBloke]

And more complete BS. Prove that too. Prove that Christians were committing widespread persecution of minorities and others prior to some Governmental savior putting a stop to them.

Religion loves to cozy up to right wing nationalist dictatorships. Franco, Salazar, Putin, Hitler... they all had the support of the church.

 

[MongGrel]

Religion loves to cozy up to right wing nationalist dictatorships. Franco, Salazar, Putin, Hitler... they all had the support of the church.

The club still needs a UK Ambassador, we picked up a Canadian one

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

 

[WelshBloke]

The club still needs a UK Ambassador, we picked up a Canadian one

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

I'm on my phone and I don't know how to change my sig on it!

 

[MongGrel]

I'm on my phone and I don't know how to change my sig on it!

It's not like there is a rush about it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You may not need religion in general and the media paints a pretty bad picture of christianity for sure. But if you go to any jail in the usa you will find that just about all the inmates are atheists or not christians. The Christians that do follow God and are "christ like" are also the ones who truly are just kind people. I know in my church we are taught to love the person but hate the sin. Meaning that nobody is perfect and that you dont have the right to treat them like trash or second rate people. In fact in my church we are taught strongly to deal with your own problems or sins before even thinking about dealing with others...and I find that to be quite scriptural.

OP-I think it would be best to actually talk to your pastor about what he thinks and what you think before you start believing every christian is such and such.

So you're stance is that Atheists are populating our prison system? Lol....ok, guess we need some links where you're getting this from.

In terms of figuring out if someone is really a christian, actions speak louder than words, and when faux Christians begin they're condescending and judgemental attitudes, which is almost a guarantee, then it's even easier to write them off a faux christians.

See that enough times, and it becomes more clear why Atheists are frustrated with hypocrisy.

 

[MongGrel]

So you're stance is that Atheists are populating our prison system? Lol....ok, guess we need some links where you're getting this from.

In terms of figuring out if someone is really a christian, actions speak louder than words, and when faux Christians begin they're condescending and judgemental attitudes, which is almost a guarantee, then it's even easier to write them off a faux christians.

See that enough times, and it becomes more clear why Atheists are frustrated with hypocrisy.

The FSM accepts Christians as a side thing, you even get a money back guarantee !!!

 

[ch33zw1z]

I am heartened by the warm embrace of his noodle-y appendages.

 

[MongGrel]

I am heartened by the warm embrace of his noodle-y appendages.

Ramen

 

[jackstar7]

You may not need religion in general and the media paints a pretty bad picture of christianity for sure. But if you go to any jail in the usa you will find that just about all the inmates are atheists or not christians. The Christians that do follow God and are "christ like" are also the ones who truly are just kind people. I know in my church we are taught to love the person but hate the sin. Meaning that nobody is perfect and that you dont have the right to treat them like trash or second rate people. In fact in my church we are taught strongly to deal with your own problems or sins before even thinking about dealing with others...and I find that to be quite scriptural.

OP-I think it would be best to actually talk to your pastor about what he thinks and what you think before you start believing every christian is such and such.

*citation needed other than rectal extraction

 

[MajinCry]

Similarly, when discussing religion in America, the Salem Witch trials are
universally presented; but rarely mentioned are the positive societal changes
produced by Quakers, Baptists, Presbyterians, and dozen of other religious groups
and organizations that worked for the abolition of slavery,
secured religious freedoms for all, and fought to end societal abuses of all
types. (Also never mentioned is that the American witch trials resulted in some
two dozen deaths — and were halted by religious leaders, while the European
witch trials resulted in 100,000; that is, American Christianity at that time
might not have been perfect but it was light years ahead of both the Christianity
practiced in Europe and the European secularism that resulted in 40,000 executions
in the French Revolution.)

Conversely, the genocide of the Native Americans. A wholesome Christian endeavour, what what?

 

[soulcougher73]

Why are you surprised? Critical thinking is not a person of faiths strong point. They have some made up story to weasel their way out of or for anything.

 

[realibrad]

You may not need religion in general and the media paints a pretty bad picture of christianity for sure. But if you go to any jail in the usa you will find that just about all the inmates are atheists or not christians. The Christians that do follow God and are "christ like" are also the ones who truly are just kind people. I know in my church we are taught to love the person but hate the sin. Meaning that nobody is perfect and that you dont have the right to treat them like trash or second rate people. In fact in my church we are taught strongly to deal with your own problems or sins before even thinking about dealing with others...and I find that to be quite scriptural.

OP-I think it would be best to actually talk to your pastor about what he thinks and what you think before you start believing every christian is such and such.

So that is not true at all.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-prisoners-less-likely-to-be-atheists/

The vast majority are some sort of Christian. Atheists make up less than 1% of the prison population. Where did you hear that the majority is Atheist or Non-Christian?

 

[realibrad]

Conversely, the genocide of the Native Americans. A wholesome Christian endeavour, what what?

In the butt?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So that is not true at all.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-prisoners-less-likely-to-be-atheists/

The vast majority are some sort of Christian. Atheists make up less than 1% of the prison population. Where did you hear that the majority is Atheist or Non-Christian?

Do you have a non-biased peer reviewed study either way? It would be cool to see that.

 

[realibrad]

Do you have a non-biased peer reviewed study either way? It would be cool to see that.

No. The best info on it is the FOIA doc from the below link.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/

That is the prison population at the federal level. Still a pretty clear picture though. The numbers could be double for Atheists and Non-Christian could be doubled and still not be anywhere near a majority.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No. The best info on it is the FOIA doc from the below link.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/

That is the prison population at the federal level. Still a pretty clear picture though. The numbers could be double for Atheists and Non-Christian could be doubled and still not be anywhere near a majority.

MIght be interesting to have a formal study with clear definitions. "High I'm a CHristian. Really? "Yeah I think there might be a god but I'm not a muslim so I guess I'm a Christian"

Obviously some uniform and more restrictive definition would be useful.

 

[realibrad]

MIght be interesting to have a formal study with clear definitions. "High I'm a CHristian. Really? "Yeah I think there might be a god but I'm not a muslim so I guess I'm a Christian"

Obviously some uniform and more restrictive definition would be useful.

Perhaps. I know I would be interested. I think we have a clear enough picture to say his statement that the majority of people in prison are Atheists and Non-Christian is false right?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Perhaps. I know I would be interested. I think we have a clear enough picture to say his statement that the majority of people in prison are Atheists and Non-Christian is false right?

That's likely true, but it's like anything scientific. Something might be absolutely correct but I'm always interested in how a determination was made. Fair enough?

 

[realibrad]

That's likely true, but it's like anything scientific. Something might be absolutely correct but I'm always interested in how a determination was made. Fair enough?

Agreed.