Christian Terrorism - Round 2

[Black Octagon]

"Spelling out" indeed... The Koran no longer considers one "innocent" if he refuses to convert.

Provide a source, please. I believe that what you have just posted is nonsense

 

[Subyman]

Didn't know there was a Christian terrorist group of 30,000 strong trying to destabilize an entire region.

 

[mikeymikec]

Provide a source, please. I believe that what you have just posted is nonsense

While I agree with the sentiment, I think a discussion about what certain books of religious significance say on certain topics is a bit pointless since the 'extremist' problems claimed to be rooted from certain religions rely on their "interpretations" of passages from those books.

Criticisms of such religions are commonly directed at the 'cherry picking' performed by followers of those religions (a classic one being I believe a quote from Deuteronomy regarding wearing mixed fabrics). Who is "correct"? Logically one would suggest that the majority makes the rules of a given religion, but I somewhat doubt that notion is compatible with the WORD OF GOD, especially amongst those who don't just believe, they know.

If Islam or Christianity was all about killing non-believers, the world would be in an endless state of religious war. We're not (in such a war), so it logically follows that they're not about that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Criticisms of such religions are commonly directed at the 'cherry picking' performed by followers of those religions (a classic one being I believe a quote from Deuteronomy regarding wearing mixed fabrics).

There's a number of things which aren't done now. For example we don't stone adulterers. We don't have blood sacrifices. Those things are in the Old Testament, but Christians aren't obligated to do so, because Christ is a dividing line between two eras. So there are two references, one Old and one New. The New Testament says that while the law is relevant, it is not binding in the same sense.

 

[inachu]

christian terrorism is based on religious lies created by the atheist political zionist that has nothing to do with the torah.

Their lies go so deep to say the muslim god is not the same god of the jews even though ancient texts from both sides do agree with one another that their GOD of the jews and muslims are one and the same as the simple logic says they are both Abrahimic faiths stem from the same source so this modern lies of evangelicals is pure bullshit.

Evangelicals have been duped by the devil once again.

 

[rommelrommel]

I came across a well researched report of Christian Terrorism in the CURRENT DAY!

Source: Christian Terrorism Today

Most people mean Islam when talking about modern day terrorism but Christianity gets a free pass; at least in the Western media who are either complicit and/or ignorant of the goings on of terrorism in the name of the droopy corpse on a stick - jesus the charlatan!

Many liberals, who are too stupid to do any research on their own, keep talking about "Crusades, Inquisition, and other Christian atrocities" that occurred in the past. Although that is true, the bible-thumping ignoramuses conveniently sweep that under the carpet saying, "But... but that was hundreds of years ago! Look at the "peaceful" Christians today!"

The article above clearly shows, with ample proof, of the terrorism that Christians commit today.

A DMX'ian axiom comes to mind: "Da troof hurfs!"

I guess you're going to be an atheist now?

 

[Baasha]

Here's another "incident" - this time in Ireland where Christian terrorists stole a statue of a Celtic God.

Souce: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ountain-top-in-northern-ireland-30929777.html

Two birds of the same feather.

 

[blake0812]

Funny, I don't recall all the old people that go to church two house down plotting to cut my fucking head off.

So much this

 

[rommelrommel]

Here's another "incident" - this time in Ireland where Christian terrorists stole a statue of a Celtic God.

Souce: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ountain-top-in-northern-ireland-30929777.html

Two birds of the same feather.

Stealing = bombing civilians? You are a pro at making your case.

 

[Exophase]

And others would point out that the website you just threw at me is gravely problematic, and instead point you to a discussion of this question by actual Islamic scholars.

If you need proper scholarly credentials to understand a holy book that seems to be promoting violence against your religious opposition then I think it's the religion that's gravely problematic. Especially when those scholars are also apologists.

Using other verses that show the opposite doesn't necessarily change the meaning of the verses. This assumes the book is actually consistent. The Bible for example sure as hell isn't. While the Quran is clearly written by fewer authors over a shorter period of time it's still a canon of different writings so it's not guaranteed that it'll all be coherent.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I came across a well researched report of Christian Terrorism in the CURRENT DAY!

Source: Christian Terrorism Today

Most people mean Islam when talking about modern day terrorism but Christianity gets a free pass; at least in the Western media who are either complicit and/or ignorant of the goings on of terrorism in the name of the droopy corpse on a stick - jesus the charlatan!

Many liberals, who are too stupid to do any research on their own, keep talking about "Crusades, Inquisition, and other Christian atrocities" that occurred in the past. Although that is true, the bible-thumping ignoramuses conveniently sweep that under the carpet saying, "But... but that was hundreds of years ago! Look at the "peaceful" Christians today!"

The article above clearly shows, with ample proof, of the terrorism that Christians commit today.

A DMX'ian axiom comes to mind: "Da troof hurfs!"

so funny!! Yet so pathetic at the same time!! Your not related to Sarah Palin are you??

 

[nickqt]

If you need proper scholarly credentials to understand a holy book that seems to be promoting violence against your religious opposition then I think it's the religion that's gravely problematic. Especially when those scholars are also apologists.

Using other verses that show the opposite doesn't necessarily change the meaning of the verses. This assumes the book is actually consistent. The Bible for example sure as hell isn't. While the Quran is clearly written by fewer authors over a shorter period of time it's still a canon of different writings so it's not guaranteed that it'll all be coherent.

There are two themes in the Quran. One is violent, and one is forgiving. Depends on when/where Muhammad was.

Parallels with the Old and New Testament. In one book, God is commanding that children be smashed upon rocks, and that whole populations be slaughtered and enslaved. In the other, God has taken the form of a socialist preaching that people pay their taxes, sell their crap to help the poor, while socialistGod goes and kicks the crap out of a bunch of bankers getting rich by controlling society.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that the vast majority of Muslims, probably 99.9%, do not condone murder and killing of other human beings. And no, I don't think they all need to write letters to the editors of their local newspaper to condemn each and every attack that occurs in the name of Islam. How many right-wingers wrote apologies when McVeigh blew up a bunch of people? Crazy is crazy, why should the non-crazy have to apologize?

I can look at where the violent Muslims live, how their lands have been pillaged for the last few hundred years, whether by their own rulers backed by money/power, or directly by money/power. I don't condone, but I understand the desperate, hopelessness of living there. The same as people here with their extreme FirstWorldProblems™ cry and complain about needing to water the tree of lib'rah'tee with Tyrant Blood because their candidate for President lost by a few million votes.

You push people hard enough, for a long enough time, and they are going to latch onto any idea that makes them feel holy while they lash out in rage. Especially when they have a HolyBook™ that they can interpret as they will.

Luckily for us westerners, the Christian crazies, through secular government, are left mostly powerless, screaming at solider funerals or trying to claim that they're persecuted because someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas. Go back a few hundred years when Christianity was a part of government, and you'll see the same thing occurring. A lunatic fringe that has enough power that the majority of non-lunatics sit quietly so as not to draw attention, while never supporting what the lunatics are doing.

Ignoring observable reality and claiming that everything that can be measured is a lie is the problem, regardless of the skywizard that is worshipped.

 

[Exophase]

Parallels with the Old and New Testament. In one book, God is commanding that children be smashed upon rocks, and that whole populations be slaughtered and enslaved. In the other, God has taken the form of a socialist preaching that people pay their taxes, sell their crap to help the poor, while socialistGod goes and kicks the crap out of a bunch of bankers getting rich by controlling society.

That's basically what you'd expect given context. One was a state religion that was used to define a moral legal code to keep people in order and promote/justify conquest of other people. The other was more of a people's movement and personal philosophy that only later became a state religion and basis for legal code.

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that the vast majority of Muslims, probably 99.9%, do not condone murder and killing of other human beings.

Probably not, although I think there are more that approve of it than people are aware. For example, when Jordanian Ahmed Daqamseh murdered several Israeli schoolgirls at the Island of Peace for jeering him there were officials in Jordan who praised him, and 110/120 parliament members signed a petition calling for his release.

Few people will actually go out and murder others in the name of religious ideal, but there are more reasons for not doing it than being against it.

 

[rpsgc]

Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that the vast majority of Muslims, probably 99.9%, do not condone murder and killing of other human beings.

Good to see the 0.1% myth is still alive and kicking.


You might disagree with the message, the person, the platform, but the statistics he's using are real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg



But then again I'm replying to a troll, so, joke's on me?

 

[nickqt]

Good to see the 0.1% myth is still alive and kicking.


You might disagree with the message, the person, the platform, but the statistics he's using are real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg



But then again I'm replying to a troll, so, joke's on me?

You're politics and your logic is a joke.

 

[Black Octagon]

Good to see the 0.1% myth is still alive and kicking.


You might disagree with the message, the person, the platform, but the statistics he's using are real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

The statistics may be real, but his use of them is pure garbage. According to Ben Shapiro, you are 'radicalised' if you believe that 'someone' was behind 9/11. Sorry, but if we're to believe that the 0.1% stat is indeed a myth, we'll need actual evidence, not insults to our intelligence.

 

[Black Octagon]

You push people hard enough, for a long enough time, and they are going to latch onto any idea that makes them feel holy while they lash out in rage. Especially when they have a HolyBook™ that they can interpret as they will.

I FULLY agree. Which is why the 9/11 attacks were almost certainly retaliation for the US' military aggression in the Middle East: Specifically, the presence of military bases near the holy cities, but more generally the US' continued interference in the region and support for Israel.

But no, why bother to really investigate the attackers' motives? It's easier to just accept the lowest-common-denominator logic that Dubya Bush gave us.

So now, instead of accepting partial responsibility for the crisis that was 9/11, here we are, 13+ years later, in a hopelessly entagled web of 'us vs. them' conflict, racism and fear.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Funny, I don't recall all the old people that go to church two house down plotting to cut my fucking head off.

Funny, I've never had any the Muslim families that live in my neighborhood say a cross word to me much less make any threats to kill me via bombing or decapitation either.

 

[Black Octagon]

Funny, I've never had any the Muslim families that live in my neighborhood say a cross word to me much less make any threats to kill me via bombing or decapitation either.

Me neither, and with the Mosque down the road from my apartment, there are all sorts of shops and residential blocks full of practising Muslims. They've never been anything but respectful and kind towards me. Then again, I make a special effort to look at them and talk with them like real human beings.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Me neither, and with the Mosque down the road from my apartment, there are all sorts of shops and residential blocks full of practising Muslims. They've never been anything but respectful and kind towards me. Then again, I make a special effort to look at them and talk with them like real human beings.

Same here, 2 of the families have come over for block cook outs this summer as well. Beef hot dogs taste great, in fact I like them better than the hot dogs that contain pork.

 

[Double Trouble]

It's still really early this morning, but OP's pretty much got the most stupid post of the day locked up.

Do you realize OP that posting the muhammad equivalent of

in the name of the droopy corpse on a stick - jesus the charlatan!

would result in death threats, imprisonment, lashings or death in just about every muslim country in the world? Because of the fact that Christians in large part have moved beyond that kind of religious practice you are able to freely post stupid bullshit without having to fear being arrested/murdered for it.

 

[TreVader]

Sarcasm?



Countless bombings? No. What happened was wrong, but there's no real comparison. Regarding Dcal, what can one say? It wasn't a group of people plotting to spread Christianity at the point of a gun. In fact it had nothing to do with religion of any kind, but a kind of crazy anarchism against the government, but then you quoted someone who thinks the Kim's of NK are the Salvation of Man, not the guy from the Bible that Christians worth the name emulate. The Hero of NK is very much against religion, to the point of murder far beyond any pro-Christ terrorism.

Forgive me for being pedantic, but isn't that in some ways better that they are trying to convert people?

These Christian terrorists have no goal beyond destruction and death. They aren't saving souls, nor are they doing anything really for "God" at all. In a way, at least these Islamic extremists give people a shot by asking them to convert. And at least they all have one cohesive message: convert or die.

I much prefer my terrorist to have real conviction an purpose. If they just go around pumping nerve gas into subways and sending people anthrax all willy-nilly it serves no purpose and it makes it far less froth inducing when I watch it later on FOX.

 

[rudder]

Got a link/source for that? Never heard of it and have lived in CA all my life. LOL..

Also, not to mention the countless abortion clinic bombings/murders by christian fanatics - driven directly by their religious zealotry.

Countless? The most recent islamic terrorist attacks in France killed nearly the same amount of people that were killed by Christian zealots over the last 20 YEARS here in the U.S.

Did you lose a hand or foot in an accident or something? Surely you have enough fingers and toes to count to 20.

 

[Abwx]

We don't have blood sacrifices.

I thought, reading the rest of your posts, that you would be more intelligent than this.

In western countries the states manage to have the monopoly of violence but that doesnt mean that there will be no violence for the sake of symbolysms that are nothing else than prehistoric behaviours once we scratch the surface.

As such the illegal war waged against Iraq was a ritual mass sacrifice offered to the US people as a mean to excorcise their supposed fear of the muslims or their awe of 911, same for the recent zionists crimes in Gaza, Netanyaou offered his people a ritual mass sacrifice.

That is christian terrorism and ritual sacrifices, just that it s waged by states.

Of course i stretched the things since i dont consider the western world as being christian but rather pagan in disguise.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I thought, reading the rest of your posts, that you would be more intelligent than this.

In western countries the states manage to have the monopoly of violence but that doesnt mean that there will be no violence for the sake of symbolysms that are nothing else than prehistoric behaviours once we scratch the surface.

As such the illegal war waged against Iraq was a ritual mass sacrifice offered to the US people as a mean to excorcise their supposed fear of the muslims or their awe of 911, same for the recent zionists crimes in Gaza, Netanyaou offered his people a ritual mass sacrifice.

That is christian terrorism and ritual sacrifices, just that it s waged by states.

Of course i stretched the things since i dont consider the western world as being christian but rather pagan in disguise.

Which religion did the Soviets belong to when they invaded Afghanistan or China with Tibet? Which religion compelled Kim to crush his own people, or American atheists to fight in Iraq? I'm curious to know.

Regardless, your response had nothing to do with anything I was saying. It referred to those who don't understand the theological difference between OT Judaism and NT Christianity. Circumcision would be an example. The religions you refer to are the very dangerous ones of Politics, Nationalism, Power and Greed, none of which are mutually exclusive.