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Hayabusa Rider

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Forgive me for being pedantic, but isn't that in some ways better that they are trying to convert people?

These Christian terrorists have no goal beyond destruction and death. They aren't saving souls, nor are they doing anything really for "God" at all. In a way, at least these Islamic extremists give people a shot by asking them to convert. And at least they all have one cohesive message: convert or die.

I much prefer my terrorist to have real conviction an purpose. If they just go around pumping nerve gas into subways and sending people anthrax all willy-nilly it serves no purpose and it makes it far less froth inducing when I watch it later on FOX.
Any Christian terrorists aren't any better than Muslim ones. You just don't see many of the former. There is no ISIS equivalent. Then ask yourself just who ISIS is killing and that's everyone who is not ISIS. They'll gladly kill anyone who doesn't convert to ISIS and that is for the moment mostly Muslims. Then there's Al-Qaeda. Who at the WTC did they convert to anything other than worm food? Christian terrorists- at the funeral of Michael Brown it was said he was doing "god's work" the day he died. Michael Brown was a Christian Terrorist? He surely was just as much as the group Dcal used as an example. DCal is a Christian terrorist supporter. That's logic for some.

But getting back to groups who kill saying they are doing Gods work. I don't care if they are bombing clinics or "converting" Japanese by beheading them, they aren't acceptable. Period. As far as equivalence goes in terms of numbers or acceptance by the mainstream worldwide there is no equivalence. Twenty percent of church attending Americans (and I wonder how many of those are Christians) saying that strapping on an explosive vest and self detonating in a crowd is occasionally acceptable isn't likely. It just fails.
 
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Atreus21

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Shit. These are the real terrorists!

By the way, change your AV. If you don't, well...I can't be responsible for what happens to you.
 

zinfamous

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Ah, Baasha, our resident shit-bathing Hindi ultra-fundamentalism extreme anti-white racist.

You never cease to entertain yourself.
 

Black Octagon

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Most of you appear to be Americans, so in your case it's really quite simple:

Terrorism is defined in the US Code very clearly: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331

There is international and domestic terrorism. The two are obviously not the same, but the same core feature of terrorism is the use of violence or intimidation against civilians, aimed at effecting a change in government policy. In you like, it is politically-motivated violence, and it conveniently is defined in a way that only a non-government actor can commit it. There can be state-sponsored terrorism, but a country cannot itself commit terrorism...

Religion really doesn't have as much to do with it as people want to believe.
 

dawheat

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I came across a well researched report of Christian Terrorism in the CURRENT DAY!

Source: Christian Terrorism Today

Most people mean Islam when talking about modern day terrorism but Christianity gets a free pass; at least in the Western media who are either complicit and/or ignorant of the goings on of terrorism in the name of the droopy corpse on a stick - jesus the charlatan!

Many liberals, who are too stupid to do any research on their own, keep talking about "Crusades, Inquisition, and other Christian atrocities" that occurred in the past. Although that is true, the bible-thumping ignoramuses conveniently sweep that under the carpet saying, "But... but that was hundreds of years ago! Look at the "peaceful" Christians today!"

The article above clearly shows, with ample proof, of the terrorism that Christians commit today.

A DMX'ian axiom comes to mind: "Da troof hurfs!" :D
So your argument is b/c radicalized elements of other religions exist to any degree, we should all stop being so hard on Muslim extremists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

You focus on the biggest problems first. Thousands of people were killed last year in the name of one religion - worrying about another religion would be like focusing on a paper cut on a patient suffering a heart attack.
 

Blue_Max

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So your argument is b/c radicalized elements of other religions exist to any degree, we should all stop being so hard on Muslim extremists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

You focus on the biggest problems first. Thousands of people were killed last year in the name of one religion - worrying about another religion would be like focusing on a paper cut on a patient suffering a heart attack.
Exactly. To even attempt to turn the conversation to the minor actions of an infinitesimal few is deflection (especially when the accusation is damning and true.)
 

nickqt

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Exactly. To even attempt to turn the conversation to the minor actions of an infinitesimal few is deflection (especially when the accusation is damning and true.)
Millions of people died in car accidents last year. So, if proportion is key, why are you so upset about terrorism, compared to car accidents?

Besides, what is the solution? I see a whole lot of threads on here, and a whole bunch of r̶e̶l̶i̶g̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶t̶r̶e̶d̶ ire pointed at Islam, and I can't help but think, what are the solutions?

Keep bombing the crap out of countries using our flying death robots? Keep supplying one side with weapons to use on another side? Keep supporting the dictator/royal family of one country as they kill the people of another/their own country?

For example, I'll offer what I feel is a solution, because otherwise these threads are 20 pages of "Muslims is evil!" and "Chris-tens are evil".

End Empire Now.

Get out of the middle east. Stop providing bombs, bullets and Billions of $ to anti-democratic dictators. Stop using flying death robots. Get our Navy out to sea, and not just off the coast of these countries. Re-establish ties with Cuba, Iran, and N. Korea with an ambassador and an Embassy, without it just being a CIA post. Show the world that we're civilized and adults. For once.

Get out. Let them murder each other.

We'll still have CIA and their foreign counterparts watching and listening. We still have thousands of ICBMs, a Navy and Airforce that can counter-attack in any instances of one side or another stepping too far outside of bounds.

We have our g-d whole upper body swinging wildly in a bees nest and we wonder why we keep getting stung on our fingers and toes, and occasionally, on our chest. Gee, I wonder why.

How about some solutions?

Because all these threads really are is people demonizing Islam, whereas the vast majority of people killed by Muslim extremists are Muslim non-extremists, and that is never acknowledged. That these countries have been parts of Empires over the past 700 years and have never had a chance to be left alone is never acknowledged. That these countries are either directly attacked by outside powers, or outside powers continue to provide dictators with ammunition and money used to attack the people, is almost never acknowledged.

Holy hell. Enough with the Christians good Muslims evil stuff. And vice-versa.

All myths can be twisted and turned to show whatever the twister wants it to be seen for.
 

Moonbeam

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If you are a monster, no matter what name you give or don't give to the god you worship, he will be a monster and if you have died to the ego, no matter what name you give or don't give to god, it will be love. Those who have awakened to love know who else is awake while the believers in names war with each other.
 

Blue_Max

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Get out of the middle east. Stop providing bombs, bullets and Billions of $ to anti-democratic dictators. Stop using flying death robots. Get our Navy out to sea, and not just off the coast of these countries. Re-establish ties with Cuba, Iran, and N. Korea with an ambassador and an Embassy, without it just being a CIA post. Show the world that we're civilized and adults. For once.

Get out. Let them murder each other.
That much I can certainly agree with, especially since there's no way we can "win" (so to speak.) Problem is, there's no easy answer... we pull out 100%, the monsters take over and kill all who don't quickly join them; Christian, muslim, or whatever. We stay and defend the innocents, both sides wind up hating us because we're just too different in our incompatible lifestyles. We blow up the greater evil, ISIL, and another similar regime rises up yet again.

It's a damned no-win scenario... though I think letting them rage like barbarians is probably the best of a bunch of lousy choices. Close our borders to them, no travel to it for our own citizens, maybe encourage the other civilized nations to do the same.

Of course, that will seem like a bad choice too since those who fled those awful places still want to maintain ties to it and either bring over more of their clan (yes, clan is correct) or go back for certain things considered atrocities in the western world, like circumcising their daughters or honour-killings for getting too westernized and shaming them. There will also be an awful backlash from many muslims at home who will feel like the jig is up and the war they've been already fighting at a passive level will step things up to "active". With the borders closed, perhaps that will eventually peter itself out and we can concentrate on breaking our addiction to oil so we'll never need the middle east again. ;)
 

nickqt

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That much I can certainly agree with, especially since there's no way we can "win" (so to speak.) Problem is, there's no easy answer... we pull out 100%, the monsters take over and kill all who don't quickly join them; Christian, muslim, or whatever. We stay and defend the innocents, both sides wind up hating us because we're just too different in our incompatible lifestyles. We blow up the greater evil, ISIL, and another similar regime rises up yet again.

It's a damned no-win scenario... though I think letting them rage like barbarians is probably the best of a bunch of lousy choices. Close our borders to them, no travel to it for our own citizens, maybe encourage the other civilized nations to do the same.

Of course, that will seem like a bad choice too since those who fled those awful places still want to maintain ties to it and either bring over more of their clan (yes, clan is correct) or go back for certain things considered atrocities in the western world, like circumcising their daughters or honour-killings for getting too westernized and shaming them. There will also be an awful backlash from many muslims at home who will feel like the jig is up and the war they've been already fighting at a passive level will step things up to "active". With the borders closed, perhaps that will eventually peter itself out and we can concentrate on breaking our addiction to oil so we'll never need the middle east again. ;)
To me, it is the simplest and easiest decision. Not that it is some easy decision, but until the distraction of "winning" is given up, we have a MIC and people who think that "winning" is even possible in agreement, thereby making it the Serious™ option, while just getting out is UnSerious™.

The reason why I don't look at Islam as the enemy is because Islam is just pretension for getting people to attack the West/world powers. They don't care what the Koran says, or the jist of it. They care about recruiting. And the thing is, they can point to US troops stationed here, fighting there, and our death robots and $, and say see, it's more Crusades.

We need to stop, drop, and roll the hell out. Stop propping up whichever dictator/government allows us to siphon natural resources out for pennies on the dollar, and just get out.

Want a jobs program? Let's go ahead and dig up our oil as safely as possible. Let's (and this isn't partisan) develop the hell out of renewable energy (screw global warming, it's just good technology, jobs, and regardless, burning coal = poisoning water/land/air).

We've been hollowing out the core of the US for decades in order to project outward, and generally, the profits go to a select few people/regions. DC is doing just fine, as is Manhattan, Silicon Valley, and other places where the deep state sits and directs.

Let the monsters fight amongst themselves, and if they decide to do something really stupid, we'll still have eyes and ears listening to prevent the worst of it. Because let's be real, our Navy and Airforce can't stop a few individuals with box cutters who've found a breach in security.

US cold war policy went from containing the USSR to supporting anyone who will let us extract their resources and sell our crap in their markets/use their workers. And it's expensive. It costs money, and it requires blood. And the people who keep the policy going aren't concerned about everyone else. They never are. They're doing just fine, and Detroit and Mississippi are both flyover hellholes to be avoided, in person and polite conversation.
 

Blue_Max

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Pretty sensible there, Nick. ;)

Maybe the muslim populations that remain in the first world after the border closures will stop the aggressive expansion, pushing for sharia, and terror attacks if they know people are willing to work together peacefully -- provided they DO NOT make any more moves to try to take over.

It's possible... here's hoping. [crossing fingers]
 

DCal430

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We have Christian in the U.S going to uganda to push for state sponsored killings of homosexual. That is just as bad as ISIS.

Christians in the U.S are supporting and helping with the killing and torture of innocent people.
 

Blue_Max

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We have Christian in the U.S going to uganda to push for state sponsored killings of homosexual. That is just as bad as ISIS.

Christians in the U.S are supporting and helping with the killing and torture of innocent people.
Well, it's not gunning-down-whole-towns-and-raping-the-women "just as bad", but it's still pretty bad. I gotta' look that one up... wouldn't be surprised if it's that tiny splinter of nut-jobs known as the Westboro Baptists.
 

DCal430

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Any Christian terrorists aren't any better than Muslim ones. You just don't see many of the former. There is no ISIS equivalent. Then ask yourself just who ISIS is killing and that's everyone who is not ISIS. They'll gladly kill anyone who doesn't convert to ISIS and that is for the moment mostly Muslims. Then there's Al-Qaeda. Who at the WTC did they convert to anything other than worm food? Christian terrorists- at the funeral of Michael Brown it was said he was doing "god's work" the day he died. Michael Brown was a Christian Terrorist? He surely was just as much as the group Dcal used as an example. DCal is a Christian terrorist supporter. That's logic for some.

But getting back to groups who kill saying they are doing Gods work. I don't care if they are bombing clinics or "converting" Japanese by beheading them, they aren't acceptable. Period. As far as equivalence goes in terms of numbers or acceptance by the mainstream worldwide there is no equivalence. Twenty percent of church attending Americans (and I wonder how many of those are Christians) saying that strapping on an explosive vest and self detonating in a crowd is occasionally acceptable isn't likely. It just fails.
What do you think an Anti Government Militia is? It is a Christian group.
 

Abwx

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Which religion did the Soviets belong to when they invaded Afghanistan
How could the Russians have invaded Afghanistan when they were actualy asked by the LEGAL communist government for help against obscurantists that were battling the laws voted in the 70s by this government..?.

You think that the Afghan government was unaware that the US was arming a reactionary rebbellion.?.

And you know why thoses obscurantist, supported and armed by the US gov were fighting the communist government..?.

They were fighting against freedom while the US gov propaganda was claiming that theses were freedom fighter, what a joke, they did fight because the communist government voted laws that thoses retarded deemed as being sacrilege, that is equal rights and scolarization of women, nationalisation and redistribution of land to peasants that were living in servdom since the land were in the hand of the nobility, theses are the laws that the US did fight in this country, that is you government was a reactionary government under reagan and they supported ultra reactionary afhgan nobility that was fighting for her privilege and the abolition of women rights.
 

rommelrommel

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El oh el. Legal government = whoever is established as per Abwx. The cognitive dissonance must burn when you think about Israel after Afghanistan.
 

Vic

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Funny, I've never had any the Muslim families that live in my neighborhood say a cross word to me much less make any threats to kill me via bombing or decapitation either.
Yep, there are several Muslim families in my neighborhood and they all seem like normal folks. There's a mosque about a mile or so away and halal markets off the highway. No problems whatsoever. It's a desirable area with good schools and a low crime rate.
 

Abwx

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El oh el. Legal government = whoever is established as per Abwx. The cognitive dissonance must burn when you think about Israel after Afghanistan.
Sure that ractionary/fascist US people like you will never aknowledge that their country supported fascist and obscurantist terrorists as a mean to crush a communist government, keep on being ignorant, it suits you perfectly, thanks to ignorance, your only "argument", you can deny anything...

The Soviet war in Afghanistan lasted over nine years from December 1979 to February 1989. Part of the Cold War, it was fought between Soviet-led Afghan forces against multi-national insurgent groups called the Mujahideen,
So an "invasion" to fight foreign mercenaries..??.

And here how it started :

In June 1975, militants from the Jamiat Islami party attempted to overthrow the government. In 1978, the Taraki government initiated a series of reforms, including a radical modernization of the traditional Islamic civil society
So the US finance a war against progressists, they kept this country from modernizing hersel, but let see further :

The Afghan government, having secured a treaty in December 1978 that allowed them to call on Soviet forces, repeatedly requested the introduction of troops in Afghanistan in the spring and summer of 1979.

They requested Soviet troops to provide security and to assist in the fight against the mujahideen rebels.
So the legal government asked the russians for help against foreign mercenaries subsided and armed by the US, but hey, they are not the legal power according to brainwashed fascist like you, but let s look even further why this war occured :


Once in power, the PDPA implemented a socialist agenda. The PDPA, an advocate of equal rights for women, declared the equality of the sexes.[8] This angered conservatives who considered the move an attack on Islam.[9] It changed the national flag from traditional Islamic green color to a near-copy of the red flag of the Soviet Union, a provocative affront to the people of this conservative Islamic country.[10] It prohibited usury, without having in place any alternative for peasants who relied on the traditional, if exploitative, credit system in the countryside. That led to an agricultural crisis and a fall in agricultural production.[11][12] The PDPA made a number of statements on women's rights, declaring equality of the sexes and introduced women to political life. A prominent example was Anahita Ratebzad, who was a major Marxist leader and a member of the Revolutionary Council. Ratebzad wrote the famous May 28, 1978 New Kabul Times editorial, which declared: "Privileges which women, by right, must have are equal education, job security, health services, and free time to rear a healthy generation for building the future of the country ... Educating and enlightening women is now the subject of close government attention.
This is what your fascist prez reagan was against, he was yelling freedom on a side and supporting reactionary terrorists.

Afghanistan is a country retarded thanks to the USA, now you can keep on your propaganda that date back from the 80s, you are responsible for this nation being left in the meddle age.
 
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Blanky

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Years before 911 a Christian group in California plotted to blow the largest above ground propane tanks in the U.S, and perhaps the world. The explosion would have killed thousands.
And within the past few months you've been scolded by a mod for contemplating the murder of darren wilson.
 

1prophet

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Sure that ractionary/fascist US people like you will never aknowledge that their country supported fascist and obscurantist terrorists as a mean to crush a communist government, keep on being ignorant, it suits you perfectly, thanks to ignorance, your only "argument", you can deny anything...


And here how it started :

In June 1975, militants from the Jamiat Islami party attempted to overthrow the government. In 1978, the Taraki government initiated a series of reforms, including a radical modernization of the traditional Islamic civil society
Once in power, the PDPA implemented a socialist agenda. The PDPA, an advocate of equal rights for women, declared the equality of the sexes.[8] This angered conservatives who considered the move an attack on Islam.[9] It changed the national flag from traditional Islamic green color to a near-copy of the red flag of the Soviet Union, a provocative affront to the people of this conservative Islamic country.[10] It prohibited usury, without having in place any alternative for peasants who relied on the traditional, if exploitative, credit system in the countryside. That led to an agricultural crisis and a fall in agricultural production.[11][12] The PDPA made a number of statements on women's rights, declaring equality of the sexes and introduced women to political life. A prominent example was Anahita Ratebzad, who was a major Marxist leader and a member of the Revolutionary Council. Ratebzad wrote the famous May 28, 1978 New Kabul Times editorial, which declared: "Privileges which women, by right, must have are equal education, job security, health services, and free time to rear a healthy generation for building the future of the country ... Educating and enlightening women is now the subject of close government attention.
Finally someone posts the true threat to religious fanaticism, secularization, while everyone else wants to ride the false equivalence train, "but the Christian did it too".


  • The ability to criticize religion without repercussions comes from secularization
  • Womens rights comes from secularization
  • gays rights and their ability to get married comes from secularization
  • Your right not to be forced into school prayer or other religious activities in public schools comes from secularization

  • separation of religion from state comes from secularization
It is sad and ironic how the same so called liberals who won't hesitate to point out christians war on women, gays and marriage, school prayer, their right to criticize christians in whatever manner they please as free speech,
the fallacies in creationism, etc., magically become the great defenders of Islam.


An amazing logical fallacy akin to someone defending the KKK because of all the good things they have done and the good members they may have while claiming to believe in minority/civil rights.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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How could the Russians have invaded Afghanistan when they were actualy asked by the LEGAL communist government for help against obscurantists that were battling the laws voted in the 70s by this government..?.

You think that the Afghan government was unaware that the US was arming a reactionary rebbellion.?.

And you know why thoses obscurantist, supported and armed by the US gov were fighting the communist government..?.

They were fighting against freedom while the US gov propaganda was claiming that theses were freedom fighter, what a joke, they did fight because the communist government voted laws that thoses retarded deemed as being sacrilege, that is equal rights and scolarization of women, nationalisation and redistribution of land to peasants that were living in servdom since the land were in the hand of the nobility, theses are the laws that the US did fight in this country, that is you government was a reactionary government under reagan and they supported ultra reactionary afhgan nobility that was fighting for her privilege and the abolition of women rights.
You insist conflating religion with terrorism. If you pay to attention to thread titles you would see it's about "christian terrorism". Well the CIA doesn't stand for "Christian Intelligence Agency" and of you don't like Afghanistan I suggest you look at Stalin and Mao and their actions in killing perhaps a hundred million or more of their own people. Russia in the Ukraine? Which religion is Putin trying to convert people to? The US doesn't do religious conversion of other countries. We support people like Pinochet and Saddam regardless of their religion because they are useful to our national interests as perceived by people in leadership and Saddam would not be preaching in anyone's pulpit at any time. You conflate nationalism with religion and they are not automatically entwined. You might some day ask those in Tibet if that's not true.
 

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