Christian terrorism at it again

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet
The violent Christian Identity movement, for instance, is regarded as a highly un-Christian organization by most non-members

CM, KKK, NF are all "fringe" christian movements who are violent, but then so is AQ to muslims, christians do not rally behind things internationally anymore for just the sake of religion like muslims do, even though religion is used conviently to draw support for wars. (WoT)

One mans fringe is anothers cause, regardless, the sympathys for these causes are shared by a large amount of christians even though a lot may condemn the violence, you get a lot of folks who look the other way who would not go there.

KKK christian? HOw is BURING a cross christian?

You may want to read what they are about, -keeping the country white and christian and safe from immigrant and colored peoples blood.

They call themselves "Knights", and thats what they are. A crusade of pointy topped lou dobbs.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Saudi Arabia was very very poor state until (the big oil well -forget the name) oil was found in the 50s, they just outlawed slavery in 1962 and their government is anything but openminded.

And you are? :laugh:

Hatred is a horrible disease, Steeplerot. Usually born from fear. Posting threads like this is symptom.

You guys love the islamofascist stuff, but hate to hear the dirt on the christians, typical hypocrite, oh yeah I am a hater too for pointing it out. :laugh:

Guess what, both religions histories and their nutjobs suck equally, christers are worse as I have to share a country with their intolerance.

I would love to see where and when I have posted anything knocking Muslims and/or Islam. But then again, your hatred has prevented you from seeing me for who I am individually. You look at me and see that I am a black man, err, I mean, Christian. Nothing more. I must be a Bush-loving, gay-hating, redneck Christian, or I confuse your now simple mind, which has fallen ill to hatred and generalization.

Another symptom of fear and hatred is becoming exactly that which you fear and hate. I give you exhibit A, your OP.

In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic. A guy who got caught trying to kill fellow americans for jesus.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic.

What truth can I not handle? And what do you think I am crying about? Oh, and did you find my posts knocking Muslims, or Islam?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic.

What truth can I not handle? And what do you think I am crying about? Oh, and did you find my posts knocking Muslims, or Islam?

Then what is your problem? You should have faith, and be able to handle a critical view. Noone is hating here except the guy who luckily got caught before he could kill fellow americans for jesus -a christian terrorist.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic.

What truth can I not handle? And what do you think I am crying about? Oh, and did you find my posts knocking Muslims, or Islam?

Then what is your problem? You should have faith, and be able to handle a critical view. Noone is hating here except the guy who luckily got caught before he could kill fellow americans for jesus -a christian terrorist.

I don't have a problem. Why didn't you answer my questions? I put them in bold for you.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic.

What truth can I not handle? And what do you think I am crying about? Oh, and did you find my posts knocking Muslims, or Islam?

Then what is your problem? You should have faith, and be able to handle a critical view. Noone is hating here except the guy who luckily got caught before he could kill fellow americans for jesus -a christian terrorist.

I don't have a problem. Why didn't you answer my questions? I put them in bold for you.

I could really care less, then what is your problem here? you are the one accusing me of hating etc. And it is very well true about this place as far as the slant, muslim bashing galore and the typical atheist b1tching, but pointing out the downside of fundamentalism gone wrong gets you labeled hater. Like I said, have faith or show your own lack therof. Your choice.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic.

What truth can I not handle? And what do you think I am crying about? Oh, and did you find my posts knocking Muslims, or Islam?

Then what is your problem? You should have faith, and be able to handle a critical view. Noone is hating here except the guy who luckily got caught before he could kill fellow americans for jesus -a christian terrorist.

He didn't get caught, he turned himself in over to the police instead of trying to go out in a blaze of glory because his friends put the safety of others before religion, friendship or any thing else.

Some friends of Robert F. Weiler Jr. had tipped off police about the 25-year-old's alleged plans Wednesday night.

Weiler then called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and surrendered to state troopers at a rest stop on Interstate 68 just after midnight. Investigators found a handgun and ammunition in his car, officials said.

 

[shrumpage]

How is buring a religous symbol support of the religon?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
How is buring a religous symbol support of the religon?

From the klans website directed toward their christian youth.

The Goals of the Knights of the KKK are easy. We want to have a Christian America again. We want to look out for the true worlds minority - the white people - then we can help look after the other people in the world. The Bible says that if we take care of our Christian brothers and sisters and live a good Christian life then our country will be blessed. When our nation is blessed again by God and there aren't so many terrible things happening in America to the white Christians, God will multiply our blessings and then we can be a blessing to all the children of the world.



http://www.kkk.bz/kidsgoals2.htm

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


With all the prescution against christians that has happened in the last hundred years, where has been the violence be christians? Can you answer that?

I do not see christians singled out for persecution on a large scale in the 20th, if anything it was christianity doing the persecuting excpeting the USSR, but then even stalin let christians have church again during ww2)

Try after WWII
China
USSR
North Korea
islamic countries

i know people how escaped from those places because of presuction - yet no christian induced violence!

Can you respond to the above? If you convert to Christianity in Islamic countries you can be legally put to death - its that prescution?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


With all the prescution against christians that has happened in the last hundred years, where has been the violence be christians? Can you answer that?

I do not see christians singled out for persecution on a large scale in the 20th, if anything it was christianity doing the persecuting excpeting the USSR, but then even stalin let christians have church again during ww2)

Try after WWII
China
USSR
North Korea
islamic countries

i know people how escaped from those places because of presuction - yet no christian induced violence!

Can you respond to the above? If you convert to Christianity in Islamic countries you can be legally put to death - its that prescution?

And who said something so draconian is not? "Large scale" is the key phrase here.

 

[OrByte]

Is it so hard to believe Christians have our own set of terrorists in this world? that these terrorists conduct missions in this very country?

The numbers between Christian and Muslim terrorists don't matter.

The actions of Christian terrorists are a grotesque bastardization of the word of god...same as muslim terrorists.

crazy is crazy

we don't need anymore crazy!

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


With all the prescution against christians that has happened in the last hundred years, where has been the violence be christians? Can you answer that?

I do not see christians singled out for persecution on a large scale in the 20th, if anything it was christianity doing the persecuting excpeting the USSR, but then even stalin let christians have church again during ww2)

Try after WWII
China
USSR
North Korea
islamic countries

i know people how escaped from those places because of presuction - yet no christian induced violence!

Can you respond to the above? If you convert to Christianity in Islamic countries you can be legally put to death - its that prescution?

And who said something so draconian is not? "Large scale" is the key phrase here.

Its entire countries! do we ahve to scale up larger then that to fill out blood thristy christians theory?

You keep moving the goal posts.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


With all the prescution against christians that has happened in the last hundred years, where has been the violence be christians? Can you answer that?

I do not see christians singled out for persecution on a large scale in the 20th, if anything it was christianity doing the persecuting excpeting the USSR, but then even stalin let christians have church again during ww2)

Try after WWII
China
USSR
North Korea
islamic countries

i know people how escaped from those places because of presuction - yet no christian induced violence!

Can you respond to the above? If you convert to Christianity in Islamic countries you can be legally put to death - its that prescution?

And who said something so draconian is not? "Large scale" is the key phrase here.

Its entire countries! do we ahve to scale up larger then that to fill out blood thristy christians theory?

You keep moving the goal posts.

How high you want to go? Germany? (God is with us)

How about these guys for a good example of bloodthirsty xtrians?

Here is the pope getting in on the hitler action too.


(They dont teach you about that part of the churches history in sunday school huh?)

 

[Thump553]

I sure hope this guy is subjected to some heavy duty terrorism charges and not just routine crimminal ones. In fact, he should be thrown in one of our secret prisons for a few years first and the rest of the members of his terrorist cell sweated out of him. Anything less would show our government to be hopeless hypocrites. For whether or not you agree with this guy's stand on abortion, it is clear that he was engaged in violent terrorist activities upon law abiding Americans.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


With all the prescution against christians that has happened in the last hundred years, where has been the violence be christians? Can you answer that?

I do not see christians singled out for persecution on a large scale in the 20th, if anything it was christianity doing the persecuting excpeting the USSR, but then even stalin let christians have church again during ww2)

Try after WWII
China
USSR
North Korea
islamic countries

i know people how escaped from those places because of presuction - yet no christian induced violence!

Can you respond to the above? If you convert to Christianity in Islamic countries you can be legally put to death - its that prescution?

And who said something so draconian is not? "Large scale" is the key phrase here.

Its entire countries! do we ahve to scale up larger then that to fill out blood thristy christians theory?

You keep moving the goal posts.

How high you want to go? Germany?

Then how come every place and event i have listed were Christians have been repressed, killed, arrested, regulated to the lowest jobs and places in society, because of their beliefs - there has not been violence?

One of your argements is that they are minorities in some of those places - didn't stop the minority muslim population in france from rioting did it?

There is no equivlent in Christianity.

Your theory is wrong.

Very simple basic question: How is buring a religous symbol support that religon?

People who burn flags are not for the country of the flag that they are burning. It is an act against it.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage
How is buring a religous symbol support of the religon?

From the klans website:

The Goals of the Knights of the KKK are easy. We want to have a Christian America again. We want to look out for the true worlds minority - the white people - then we can help look after the other people in the world. The Bible says that if we take care of our Christian brothers and sisters and live a good Christian life then our country will be blessed. When our nation is blessed again by God and there aren't so many terrible things happening in America to the white Christians, God will multiply our blessings and then we can be a blessing to all the children of the world.



http://www.kkk.bz/kidsgoals2.htm

How about some real Christianity instead of the hate that is labeled as such.

William J. Seymour and the Azusa Street Revival



African-Americans, Latinos, whites, and others prayed and sang together, creating a dimension of spiritual unity and equality, almost unprecedented for the time. It allowed men, women, and children to celebrate their unity in Christ and participate as led by the Spirit. Indeed, so unusual was the mixture of blacks and whites, that Bartleman enthusiastically exclaimed, ?The color line was washed away in the blood.?5 He meant that in the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, the sin of racial prejudice had been removed by the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ.

And the moment they took their eyes of Christ and started looking to themselves racism crept back in

Meanwhile, in late summer 1906, Charles Parham had begun leading another Pentecostal revival in Zion City, Illinois, among the followers of the nationally known faith healer John Alexander Dowie. Not until October did Parham leave for California, hoping to consolidate the faithful in Los Angeles within the wider network of Apostolic Faith believers, and second, to harness what he considered to be an unbridled religious enthusiasm. As it happened, the emotional worship and particularly the mingling of whites and blacks together deeply offended him. Parham laid the blame at Seymour?s feet.


The majority of the Azusa faithful remained loyal to Seymour after Parham left with some of the people to establish a rival mission. Within just a few years of its beginning, the Apostolic Faith Mission had become predominantly black with Seymour remaining as pastor. Years later prejudice surfaced there as well, however, when Seymour himself excluded whites from leadership posts at the mission, reserving those for people of color.

This is what real Christianity looked like in 1907 devoid of the racism and hate you claim represents Christians

 

[Steeplerot]

Funny you should bring that old stuff up, Bible, Race & Slavery

Picking and choosing a few stories does not obscure the real history with those who know better

Christian terrorists are the founders of our own nation, and have the biggest genocide of history under their belts. Let us not forget manifest destiny

Plenty easy to find the bad along with the good, and to balance this a bit christianity has done wonderful things for the world, but you are a fool to deny what else it has done and is responsible for.

Kill for jesus is the biggest terrorism to hit the face of the earth, regardless of the denials here, luckily this guy is a anomaly nowdays who wanted to pipebomb doctors.

But then we still have iraq going on, one in which has been turned into a holy war in this country also. Christian nutjobs vs. islamic nutjobs, same as it ever was. God bless america.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Funny you should bring that old stuff up, Bible, Race & Slavery

Picking and choosing a few stories does not obscure the real history with those who know better

Christian terrorists are the founders of our own nation, and have the biggest genocide of history under their belts. Let us not forget manifest destiny

Plenty easy to find the bad along with the good, and to balance this a bit christianity has done wonderful things for the world, but you are a fool to deny what else it has done.

And which teachings of Jesus Christ were all these christian terrorists as you label them following?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Funny you should bring that old stuff up, Bible, Race & Slavery

Picking and choosing a few stories does not obscure the real history with those who know better

Christian terrorists are the founders of our own nation, and have the biggest genocide of history under their belts. Let us not forget manifest destiny

Plenty easy to find the bad along with the good, and to balance this a bit christianity has done wonderful things for the world, but you are a fool to deny what else it has done.

And which teachings of Jesus Christ were all these christian terrorists as you label them following?

"A Scriptural View of Slavery:"

...Jesus Christ recognized this institution as one that was lawful among men, and regulated its relative duties... I affirm then, first (and no man denies) that Jesus Christ has not abolished slavery by a prohibitory command; and second, I affirm, he has introduced no new moral principle which can work its destruction...


All religions and teachings can be perverted, the bible is chock full of contridictions and old ideas to be twisted at a whim, and has been for ages.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage


Then how come every place and event i have listed were Christians have been repressed, killed, arrested, regulated to the lowest jobs and places in society, because of their beliefs - there has not been violence?

One of your argements is that they are minorities in some of those places - didn't stop the minority muslim population in france from rioting did it?

There is no equivlent in Christianity.

Your theory is wrong.

Very simple basic question: How is buring a religous symbol support that religon?

People who burn flags are not for the country of the flag that they are burning. It is an act against it.

You obviously are not reading this page then, many examples. I also found you a KKK page to read about good christians. Look up.

You are in serious denial if you are so poor at educating yourself with your own churches history. Like I said, you can close your eyes all you wish but you cannot hide from the past, there is good along with some very very bad.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Funny you should bring that old stuff up, Bible, Race & Slavery

Picking and choosing a few stories does not obscure the real history with those who know better

Christian terrorists are the founders of our own nation, and have the biggest genocide of history under their belts. Let us not forget manifest destiny

Plenty easy to find the bad along with the good, and to balance this a bit christianity has done wonderful things for the world, but you are a fool to deny what else it has done.

And which teachings of Jesus Christ were all these christian terrorists as you label them following?

"A Scriptural View of Slavery:"

...Jesus Christ recognized this institution as one that was lawful among men, and regulated its relative duties... I affirm then, first (and no man denies) that Jesus Christ has not abolished slavery by a prohibitory command; and second, I affirm, he has introduced no new moral principle which can work its destruction...


All religions and teachings can be perverted, the bible is chock full of contridictions and old ideas to be twisted at a whim, and has been for ages.

Tell me then how exactly can one pervert this and still claim to be following Jesus?

Matthew 22

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Funny you should bring that old stuff up, Bible, Race & Slavery

Picking and choosing a few stories does not obscure the real history with those who know better

Christian terrorists are the founders of our own nation, and have the biggest genocide of history under their belts. Let us not forget manifest destiny

Plenty easy to find the bad along with the good, and to balance this a bit christianity has done wonderful things for the world, but you are a fool to deny what else it has done.

And which teachings of Jesus Christ were all these christian terrorists as you label them following?

"A Scriptural View of Slavery:"

...Jesus Christ recognized this institution as one that was lawful among men, and regulated its relative duties... I affirm then, first (and no man denies) that Jesus Christ has not abolished slavery by a prohibitory command; and second, I affirm, he has introduced no new moral principle which can work its destruction...


All religions and teachings can be perverted, the bible is chock full of contridictions and old ideas to be twisted at a whim, and has been for ages.

Tell me then how exactly can one pervert this and still claim to be following Jesus?

Matthew 22

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

It matters not, you can claim that the negative aspect of christianitys past is just a perversion of what jesus' message is, (and I would agree with you) but the facts is that killing for jesus is actually a very popular thing throughout history, if not the very worst considering manifest destiny and colonization and the nazis.

 

[shrumpage]

Steeple, do you what years those photos were taken - early to min 1930's before nazi's were trying to counqor the world and throwing people in ovens.

When people find out what Hitler's intentions were, the chruch opposed him:

Albert Einstein dec. 23 1940:

Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

a little more history - particularly with the photos:

Those were in relation to the Concordat of 1933. The Catholic chruch was worried about is members freedom in germany. They agreed to certian terms that were quickly violated by the nazis. By 1937 the church responded to violations of the treaty:

Not trusting the new regime, the Vatican signed a Concordat with the Reich on July 20, 1933 in an attempt to protect the Church's rights in Germany. But the Nazis quickly violated its articles. In Lent 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge" (With burning sorrow) with the help of German bishops and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII). It was smuggled into Germany and read in all German Catholic churches at the same hour on Palm Sunday 1937. It did not explicitly mention Hitler or Nazism, but it firmly condemned the Nazi doctrines. On September 20, 1938, Pius XI told German pilgrims that no Christian can take part in anti-Semitism, since spiritually all Christians are Semites.

Nazis ended making a bunch of treaties, and then breaking them, catholic church was one of those groups.

The vatician was very concerned during the war about remaining netural. Not because they didn't oppose the nazi's but they knew about what was happening to the Jews - and didn't want the samething to happen to them. There were many catholics (with support of the church) who opposed nazis, but also helped people escape. I think the estimates of lives saved is around 800,000- 1 million.



I have this picture of Roosevelt setting next to Stalin.....

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


Then how come every place and event i have listed were Christians have been repressed, killed, arrested, regulated to the lowest jobs and places in society, because of their beliefs - there has not been violence?

One of your argements is that they are minorities in some of those places - didn't stop the minority muslim population in france from rioting did it?

There is no equivlent in Christianity.

Your theory is wrong.

Very simple basic question: How is buring a religous symbol support that religon?

People who burn flags are not for the country of the flag that they are burning. It is an act against it.

You obviously are not reading this page then, many examples. I also found you a KKK page to read about good christians. Look up.

You are in serious denial if you are so poor at educating yourself with your own churches history. Like I said, you can close your eyes all you wish but you cannot hide from the past, there is good along with some very very bad.

Your theory was simple:

if the shoe was on the other foot - if christians were the minotiry and treated poorly they woudl be jsut as violent as muslims.

its not the case - it hasn't happened - it isn't happening.

The only thing you can find close to modern times is the KKK - and with that i pose the extremely simple question:

How is burning a religous symbol support of that religon. the KKK burned crosses - how is that supporting Christianity?