Christian terrorism at it again

[Steeplerot]

There is more to it, of course the vatican is covering their ass now.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/22/nazi.gold/

Christians back then were not exactly huge fans of the jews, some rose above and saved many jews, but then their is another side, they did maintain neutrality on the surface.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


Then how come every place and event i have listed were Christians have been repressed, killed, arrested, regulated to the lowest jobs and places in society, because of their beliefs - there has not been violence?

One of your argements is that they are minorities in some of those places - didn't stop the minority muslim population in france from rioting did it?

There is no equivlent in Christianity.

Your theory is wrong.

Very simple basic question: How is buring a religous symbol support that religon?

People who burn flags are not for the country of the flag that they are burning. It is an act against it.

You obviously are not reading this page then, many examples. I also found you a KKK page to read about good christians. Look up.

You are in serious denial if you are so poor at educating yourself with your own churches history. Like I said, you can close your eyes all you wish but you cannot hide from the past, there is good along with some very very bad.

Your theory was simple:

if the shoe was on the other foot - if christians were the minotiry and treated poorly they woudl be jsut as violent as muslims.

its not the case - it hasn't happened - it isn't happening.

The only thing you can find close to modern times is the KKK - and with that i pose the extremely simple question:

How is burning a religous symbol support of that religon. the KKK burned crosses - how is that supporting Christianity?

The KKK is nothing less then a good old boys christian club, read the link I posted on last page. And you are not getting at all what I was saying about minoritys which is why you keep bashing your head against the wall, try reading slower with a bit of a more open mind. Faith will protect you, well, maybe not, I would lose faith if I was a christian if I knew the real history, but that is on your own conceience. All organized religions are responsible for some bad stuff. As far as burning a cross and what it represents to the klanners, dunno, I gave you a link to the KKK's page.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage


Then how come every place and event i have listed were Christians have been repressed, killed, arrested, regulated to the lowest jobs and places in society, because of their beliefs - there has not been violence?

One of your argements is that they are minorities in some of those places - didn't stop the minority muslim population in france from rioting did it?

There is no equivlent in Christianity.

Your theory is wrong.

Very simple basic question: How is buring a religous symbol support that religon?

People who burn flags are not for the country of the flag that they are burning. It is an act against it.

You obviously are not reading this page then, many examples. I also found you a KKK page to read about good christians. Look up.

You are in serious denial if you are so poor at educating yourself with your own churches history. Like I said, you can close your eyes all you wish but you cannot hide from the past, there is good along with some very very bad.

Your theory was simple:

if the shoe was on the other foot - if christians were the minotiry and treated poorly they woudl be jsut as violent as muslims.

its not the case - it hasn't happened - it isn't happening.

The only thing you can find close to modern times is the KKK - and with that i pose the extremely simple question:

How is burning a religous symbol support of that religon. the KKK burned crosses - how is that supporting Christianity?

The KKK is nothing less then a good old boys christian club, read the link I posted on last page. And you are not getting at all what I was saying about minoritys which is why you keep bashing your head against the wall, try reading slower with a bit of a more open mind. Faith will protect you, well, maybe not, I would lose faith if I was a christian if I knew the real history, but that is on your own conceience. All organized religions are responsible for some bad stuff. As far as burning a cross and what it represents to the klanners, dunno, I gave you a link to the KKK's page, maybe you should look it up.

Can u answer the question?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Can u answer the question?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_burning

The Klan, however, claims to not be destroying the cross, but "lighting" it, a symbol of their faith.

Lets try this again:

From the klans website:

The Goals of the Knights of the KKK are easy. We want to have a Christian America again. We want to look out for the true worlds minority - the white people - then we can help look after the other people in the world. The Bible says that if we take care of our Christian brothers and sisters and live a good Christian life then our country will be blessed. When our nation is blessed again by God and there aren't so many terrible things happening in America to the white Christians, God will multiply our blessings and then we can be a blessing to all the children of the world.



http://www.kkk.bz/kidsgoals2.htm

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
In other words you can't handle the truth, and anyone who points it out is closed minded :laugh: scared or cares enough to hate, here is a newsflash, I could care less about anothers beliefs as much as if someone believed in grimms fairy tales, but your instant labeling me as scared is funny, as it is you who is wetting your pants over someone pointing out a negative aspect of a religion. Cry more ok? People in funny hats with old beliefs in a book scare me none, if it did I would be a christian wouldn't I? becasue this is what it is founded on and all it has on people in the end, Pease feel free to cower elsewhere if you cannot stay on topic.

What truth can I not handle? And what do you think I am crying about? Oh, and did you find my posts knocking Muslims, or Islam?

Then what is your problem? You should have faith, and be able to handle a critical view. Noone is hating here except the guy who luckily got caught before he could kill fellow americans for jesus -a christian terrorist.

I don't have a problem. Why didn't you answer my questions? I put them in bold for you.

I could really care less, then what is your problem here? you are the one accusing me of hating etc. And it is very well true about this place as far as the slant, muslim bashing galore and the typical atheist b1tching, but pointing out the downside of fundamentalism gone wrong gets you labeled hater. Like I said, have faith or show your own lack therof. Your choice.

You could care less? You said...

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
You guys love the islamofascist stuff, but hate to hear the dirt on the christians, typical hypocrite

And yet, you still have yet to post something I have said even remotely similar to knocking Muslims or Islam. Since you called me a hypocrit, obviously, you have something to back up that statement. So, please post away.

And, like I said, I don't have a problem here. I am very well aware of proclaimed Christians not acting like so. From the chimp in office to an abortion clinic bomber to the KKK. The difference between me and you is that I do not define a Christian solely by one's self proclamation. I mean, if I told you that I am a black man, would you label me as a black man, even though you could see that my skin is white? I would hope not.

If you want to bash a man because he sent troops into Iraq, go for it. If you want to bash a man because he wanted to blow up an abortion clinic, feel free. But Chrisitianity is not a person, it is not a group of people, it is a religion, an idea, and a belief.

Evil is often done in the name of good. In the example shown in your OP, there actually two fools here. The first is obvious. A man who doesn't even understand that his desire of killing other people is not a part of Christianity. The other fool is he who believes that the man's desire of killing other people is in fact a part of Christianity. As you have shown here, you are the latter fool.

Now let's put that into the perspective of Iraq. We have fools thinking it was a good, or Christian, thing to do in invading Iraq and killing tens of thousands of people. Then we have fool #2 who thinks Chrisitianity is a violent religion, because those who sent the troops and did the killing proclaimed to be black, err, I mean Christian. You see, you are fool #2.

 

[Steeplerot]

I agree, but along with the good christianity has brought there is a downside, and christians + terrorism is a long tradition if you like it or not, it still represents and still is part of what the mainstream faith stands for. Gay kids getting beaten to death, god is with us as nazis roast jews etc etc. Intolerance and hate, abortion bombings, and divisness in modern politics and a all around puritanical backwardness they are still trying to push on people, and it is nothing less then pushing it, not just practicing it between followers.

 

[moshquerade]

That's not a Christian.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's not a Christian.

Easy enough to say, but what is done is done in the name of jesus. Of course christians deny the past, its bad PR in a church losing followers dropping like flys.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's not a Christian.

Easy enough to say, but what is done is done in the name of jesus.

I don't consider that Christianity no matter whose name it's done in.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Can u answer the question?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_burning

The Klan, however, claims to not be destroying the cross, but "lighting" it, a symbol of their faith.

Lets try this again:

From the klans website:

The Goals of the Knights of the KKK are easy. We want to have a Christian America again. We want to look out for the true worlds minority - the white people - then we can help look after the other people in the world. The Bible says that if we take care of our Christian brothers and sisters and live a good Christian life then our country will be blessed. When our nation is blessed again by God and there aren't so many terrible things happening in America to the white Christians, God will multiply our blessings and then we can be a blessing to all the children of the world.



http://www.kkk.bz/kidsgoals2.htm

Finally -an answer!

Ok now we can get back to the OP - and what you have said. Besides the KKK - where is all the Christian violence. You ahve stated the that if christians are presucted taht they would rise up and be violent - where in modern times has this panned out?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
You ahve stated the that if christians are presucted taht they would rise up and be violent - where in modern times has this panned out?

Serbia, Ireland. This is already in the thread w/ links.

American christianity has a bit of its own religious war going on right now too against the mideast.

It didnt start that way but fundies have jumped all over it making it religous.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I agree, but along with the good christianity has brought there is a downside, and christians + terrorism is a long tradition if you like it or not, it still represents and still is part of what the mainstream faith stands for. Gay kids getting beaten to death, god is with us as nazis roast jews etc etc. Intolerance and hate, abortion bombings, and divisness in modern politics and a all around puritanical backwardness they are still trying to push on people, and it is nothing less then pushing it, not just practicing it between followers.

Thanks for yet further proving my point above. You are in fact fool #2.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I agree, but along with the good christianity has brought there is a downside, and christians + terrorism is a long tradition if you like it or not, it still represents and still is part of what the mainstream faith stands for. Gay kids getting beaten to death, god is with us as nazis roast jews etc etc. Intolerance and hate, abortion bombings, and divisness in modern politics and a all around puritanical backwardness they are still trying to push on people, and it is nothing less then pushing it, not just practicing it between followers.

Thanks for yet further proving my point above. You are in fact fool #2.

If this is what helps you keep the faith by denying the churches past and present and labeling me a fool then so be it, whatever keeps you paying your money to them.

 

[lyssword]

all I ever hear about history is crusades crusades/medieval/church. Sure those were big events in europe, but what about Asia, Africa? Did Gengish Khan slaughter millions and millions of chinese/whatever other country, like russians/persians because he believed in god? I don't think so. Why did Japan oppress korea, china. Why were the tribes in deep Africa enslaving each other (thats where europeans got the idea), cannibalism and other kind of cruelty? What about the greek Alexander the great, why did he slaughter millions of persians? What about the romans? What about the European borbarians, including Attilla the Hun? What about USSR killing its peoples in Siberia with slave labor? What about China's recent history? Cuba? N.K?
Have christians committed crimes?
Yes they have, but to single them out and claim they are the worst thing to come to this world is really ignorant..

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I agree, but along with the good christianity has brought there is a downside, and christians + terrorism is a long tradition if you like it or not, it still represents and still is part of what the mainstream faith stands for. Gay kids getting beaten to death, god is with us as nazis roast jews etc etc. Intolerance and hate, abortion bombings, and divisness in modern politics and a all around puritanical backwardness they are still trying to push on people, and it is nothing less then pushing it, not just practicing it between followers.

Thanks for yet further proving my point above. You are in fact fool #2.

If this is what helps you keep the faith by denying the churches past and present and labeling me a fool then so be it, whatever keeps you paying your money to them.

:laugh:

What have I denied?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
A man who told police he made a pipe bomb to attack an abortion clinic was arrested Thursday, shortly before the device went off in a friend's home while authorities tried to disable it, according to court documents.

No one was injured by the explosion, which started a fire that burned the top floor of the Riverdale home, officials said.

Some friends of Robert F. Weiler Jr. had tipped off police about the 25-year-old's alleged plans Wednesday night.

Weiler then called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and surrendered to state troopers at a rest stop on Interstate 68 just after midnight. Investigators found a handgun and ammunition in his car, officials said.

According to an ATF affidavit, Weiler planned to bomb an abortion clinic in Greenbelt and use a .40-caliber handgun he had stolen from a friend to "shoot doctors who provided abortions."

Weiler faces four federal counts including making a destructive device and possessing an illegal handgun. He was being held Thursday.

Phone messages left at Weiler's home were not returned. A car in the driveway had a frame around the front license plate that read "Choose Life" and "God is pro-Life."

A woman who answered the phone at the Greenbelt clinic said they had not heard of the threat. In 1989, 80 abortion opponents were arrested for trespassing in a demonstration outside the clinic.


Link


Seems with all the muslim bombers we forget about our own little extremist friends killing for jesus here.

Religion causes most of the problems in the world as does any kind of blind devotion without reason or logic.

It could be said that this kind of stuff amongst Christians could be called an extremist minority while it seems more common and acceptable amongst Muslims. Worth noting but makes no difference really. It's killing solely on belief and not for any practical beneficial reason like self defense or eliminating a definitive threat to a peaceful society.

But I seriously think the world would be a better place without any kind of religion, provided people could be kind and considerate of one another of their own free will and not only because they fear eternal hell.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: daniel49


No steeple is a hatemongering jackass
I said he was caught and charged as he should be his actions were wrong.
To equate that with the muslim jihadists is just assanine.

Hmm, then what are those people doing in gitmo then?

tell ya what go down and check it out instead of reading Anarchists digest and you might find out.

Yeah your right, God bless america. Kill em all and let god sort em out, yee ha.

By the way steeple how much fertelizer you got saved up now. (I promise the fbi isn't monitoring this thread)
Heres a good link for you.
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Much more fun with ammonia, formalin, potasium nitrate, and a few other things I won't mention so people don't get themselves in trouble... The hexamine based stuff is much safer and packs way more punch, over 25,000 fps.

Those with chemistry and/or demolitions background might know what I'm talking about 😉
Spec. Ops. persons should know after reading the first two ingredients 😉

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Funny you should bring that old stuff up, Bible, Race & Slavery

Picking and choosing a few stories does not obscure the real history with those who know better

Christian terrorists are the founders of our own nation, and have the biggest genocide of history under their belts. Let us not forget manifest destiny

Plenty easy to find the bad along with the good, and to balance this a bit christianity has done wonderful things for the world, but you are a fool to deny what else it has done.

And which teachings of Jesus Christ were all these christian terrorists as you label them following?

"A Scriptural View of Slavery:"

...Jesus Christ recognized this institution as one that was lawful among men, and regulated its relative duties... I affirm then, first (and no man denies) that Jesus Christ has not abolished slavery by a prohibitory command; and second, I affirm, he has introduced no new moral principle which can work its destruction...


All religions and teachings can be perverted, the bible is chock full of contridictions and old ideas to be twisted at a whim, and has been for ages.

Tell me then how exactly can one pervert this and still claim to be following Jesus?

Matthew 22

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

It matters not, you can claim that the negative aspect of christianitys past is just a perversion of what jesus' message is, (and I would agree with you) but the facts is that killing for jesus is actually a very popular thing throughout history, if not the very worst considering manifest destiny and colonization and the nazis.

I have never disputed the fact that killing for God, Jesus, etc. have been very popular (like during the middle ages) and I am glad that you agree that was not Jesus' message but the message of those who sought to use religion in order to subjecate and rule over those they considered inferior or disagree with their views or point out their hipocracy.


And if anyone comes and claims he is a Christian to you and does all those evil things you speak of, just remember these words of Jesus.

Matthew 7

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Steeple is finally correct in something: Violent fanaticism, in any case, on any side, needs to be destroyed.

That said, for every 1 whacko Christian, there are probably 50,000 fanatical Muslims. I would be REALLY interested in reading an accurate number in that regard. Does anyone know of a source that may have attempted to calculate a rough estimate of the number of fanatical Muslims in the entire world? if so, please link to it.

And if you invaded the south it would be the same crap from christians, luckily wealth tends to chill out fanatics, same deal, same types of people and ideaology different god.

Have to agree here - it's economic and political status that gives fuel to religious extremists, not the particular dogma they ascribe to. Christians would be every bit as bad if the tables were turned.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: daniel49

Maybe if you quit reading the hate literature and kept an open mind it would clear your confused mind?

And let me guess, sitting back and reading the good word of the bible will teach me the "truth" and the churches history is one big conspiracy, gotcha. :laugh:

im not Christian either Steeple, but yes, actually reading the object you are ridiculing might just be a good place to start if you dream of ever having a legitimate leg to stand on in this debate..

duh.

In fact, I would suggest you read every religious text you can find! after all, how can you criticize something you know next-to-nothing about?! Reading them just might give you the ammunition necessary to actually win the debate. If you absolutely refuse to do so, then my advice would be to stay as far away from the subject as you can get, or prepare to be laughed at and considered clueless...

 

[GeNome]

People that do things like that are sick, as I'm sure pretty much everyone (including Christians) would agree. However, implying that all Christians are "radical right-wing fanatics that hate america" is just as sick. The Christians I know (and I know a lot) are all good people that would help you as soon as look at you. Maybe a little narrow-minded, but that's for another day. It's just like labeling all Muslims "religious freaks that want to destroy america". Neither one is true, and both are rude, ignorant and obnoxious IMO. Unfortunately, it's always the radicals like this guy who get all the attention, giving everybody correlated to them a bad name.

 

[straightalker]

The proper perspective is needed here. We have around 50 million babies in the USA since Roe vs. Wade that baby-butcher shops have massacred. Several thousand butchers and nurses involved. They can't be called doctors they're butchers.

And so then we have some unstable types who can't take it anymore. They set up a bomb to blow up an abortion mill. Some only get as far as trying.

Bombings like this are indescriminant and could kill who knows who walking by on the street. Anyone. So there's a madness to that method. Madness begets madness. It's never any solution.

While it's very clear that a baby-butcher is a piece of scum who kills kids for cash, they do have a right to be judged by completely sane people.

Any doctor who is thinking about getting into that highly profitable business of chopping up children and tossing their body parts in a trash can has to consider the risks. People don't have to be "religious" to be appalled at the genocide. Vigilantyism in this case is a desperate reflex reaction to a justice system that is malfunctioning and highly corrupt. Murder is not murder because 9 Supreme Court Justices had a vote and a majority said it's just a medical procedure. There's the problem right there. Judges who aree scum.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: straightalker
The proper perspective is needed here. We have around 50 million babies in the USA since Roe vs. Wade that baby-butcher shops have massacred. Several thousand butchers and nurses involved. They can't be called doctors they're butchers.

And so then we have some unstable types who can't take it anymore. They set up a bomb to blow up an abortion mill. Some only get as far as trying.

Bombings like this are indescriminant and could kill who knows who walking by on the street. Anyone. So there's a madness to that method. Madness begets madness. It's never any solution.

While it's very clear that a baby-butcher is a piece of scum who kills kids for cash, they do have a right to be judged by completely sane people.

Any doctor who is thinking about getting into that highly profitable business of chopping up children and tossing their body parts in a trash can has to consider the risks. People don't have to be "religious" to be appalled at the genocide. Vigilantyism in this case is a desperate reflex reaction to a justice system that is malfunctioning and highly corrupt. Murder is not murder because 9 Supreme Court Justices had a vote and a majority said it's just a medical procedure. There's the problem right there. Judges who aree scum.

Pathos much?

Terrorism is terrorism, using violence and disregard for civilians to achieve a personal political goal.

The late term butchering you describe is irresponsible and unnecessary and should be stopped, I agree. But I hope you don't subscribe to the "every cell is sacred" Kool-Aid. If so perhaps you need proper perspective yourself, in biology and physics.

More dangerous than judges are voters who aren't happy enough with their personal beliefs unless they can force their views on the rest of society by means of violence or politics.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet


So atheists are free from hatred and therefore superior?

Care to show me where christians are being terrorized?

You ever hear of China? Seriously, please educate yourself if you think that Christians are not persecuted worldwide. I personally know people who have been detained for holding Bible studies in China.

I recall a quote earlier where you mocked someone saying they worship a "fairy in the sky." And yet, you believe that matter is eternal and self-exisiting, even though all logic and science attest to that being impossible.

You just can't accept that God created you. It takes too much to admit that, on your own, you are no better than anyone else, and you need God to get out of your situation.

It's easy to say you don't see God, when you're holding your hands over your eyes. It's easy to be arrogant and prideful and laugh in God's face. But don't think for a second that you can do that for any reason beyond him giving you that choice, because he loves you enough to give you free will. Free to love him, or free to hate him. We all make that choice, and people like you and I are evident to that.

It is hard to be humble, to take a narrow path. Your mockery and dedication to anti-God hatred will never change the fact that God created you, and will hold you accountable for your life. Frightening? Perhaps, but your emotions and objections are inconsequential in light of this fact.

You might have what you think is a good reason to hate God. Maybe you lost someone you loved, or someone hurt you, but this is not God's fault. He wants more than anything to help heal these hurts, and he gives you opportunity after opportunity to turn to him. The Bible says that God is patient, wishing for no one to come to destruction... and I know for a fact that is true. Please, don't waste these opportunities, or I'm afraid, in time you will regret it.

Feel free to PM me if you want to talk more.

 

[runninkyle17]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

You ever hear of China? Seriously, please educate yourself if you think that Christians are not persecuted worldwide. I personally know people who have been detained for holding Bible studies in China.

I recall a quote earlier where you mocked someone saying they worship a "fairy in the sky." And yet, you believe that matter is eternal and self-exisiting, even though all logic and science attest to that being impossible.

You just can't accept that God created you. It takes too much to admit that, on your own, you are no better than anyone else, and you need God to get out of your situation.

It's easy to say you don't see God, when you're holding your hands over your eyes. It's easy to be arrogant and prideful and laugh in God's face. But don't think for a second that you can do that for any reason beyond him giving you that choice, because he loves you enough to give you free will. Free to love him, or free to hate him. We all make that choice, and people like you and I are evident to that.

It is hard to be humble, to take a narrow path. Your mockery and dedication to anti-God hatred will never change the fact that God created you, and will hold you accountable for your life. Frightening? Perhaps, but your emotions and objections are inconsequential in light of this fact.

You might have what you think is a good reason to hate God. Maybe you lost someone you loved, or someone hurt you, but this is not God's fault. He wants more than anything to help heal these hurts, and he gives you opportunity after opportunity to turn to him. The Bible says that God is patient, wishing for no one to come to destruction... and I know for a fact that is true. Please, don't waste these opportunities, or I'm afraid, in time you will regret it.

Feel free to PM me if you want to talk more.

I must say that this is a very well written post. I am disgusted by Christian extremists, Muslim, or any other extremists that claim it is okay to kill in the name of who or what they worship. As a christian I understand that one of the primary messages of Christ was to love and accept everyone. Now I will say that I am talking about the person themselves. It is possible to love the person and hate the action. I support the Pro-life movement, but I definately do not support the extremists that result to violence.

In conclusion, to anyone on this forum who may be going through a hard time or may be hurting for some reason feel free to PM me; I will definately pray for you if you ask me to. This is my first post on this forum, but I am glad to be here. God Bless!!!

-Kyle