Christian and Athiest in the same house!

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
My father doesn't believe in God but he wouldn't dare associate himself with "Atheists".

I grew up with honest options. My father would've smacked me for disrespecting my mother's beliefs.

Just because he didn't believe in God doesn't mean he wanted the same for me. He is smart enough to know that he might not know everything.

He also can see the hypocrisy in those who label themselves "Atheist" are who are intent on forcing their opinions and beliefs on others. He doesn't mind seeing the word God on his coins and that is what separates him from all these self-rightous "atheists". I respect my father for not forcing his beliefs on me very unlike the OP.

Yep, the Atheists on this board are a bunch of hypocrites

 

[MarxUNR]

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[judasmachine]

for me the divorce has been final for 5 years now.

 

[MarxUNR]

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[Conky]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
My father doesn't believe in God but he wouldn't dare associate himself with "Atheists".

I grew up with honest options. My father would've smacked me for disrespecting my mother's beliefs.

Just because he didn't believe in God doesn't mean he wanted the same for me. He is smart enough to know that he might not know everything.

He also can see the hypocrisy in those who label themselves "Atheist" and who are intent on forcing their opinions and beliefs on others. He doesn't mind seeing the word God on his coins and that is what separates him from all these self-rightous "atheists". I respect my father for not forcing his beliefs on me very unlike the OP.

:laugh: Curse those self-righteous atheists, and their holier-than-thou attitudes!

I have never met a single Christian with as much "holier-than-though" in them as the average Atheist. 😛

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
My father doesn't believe in God but he wouldn't dare associate himself with "Atheists".

I grew up with honest options. My father would've smacked me for disrespecting my mother's beliefs.

Just because he didn't believe in God doesn't mean he wanted the same for me. He is smart enough to know that he might not know everything.

He also can see the hypocrisy in those who label themselves "Atheist" and who are intent on forcing their opinions and beliefs on others. He doesn't mind seeing the word God on his coins and that is what separates him from all these self-rightous "atheists". I respect my father for not forcing his beliefs on me very unlike the OP.

:laugh: Curse those self-righteous atheists, and their holier-than-thou attitudes!

I have never met a single Christian with as much "holier-than-though" in them as the average Atheist. 😛

Opinions, and experiences, vary.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I've stated many times (in fact, in this very thread), that I am not an atheist. I was as a child, up until 30'ish. So there goes that argument, eh? No where in this thread have I said that atheism is 'enlightened', or any other such thing. I've said that putting a child under a church when they lack the developmental skills to deal with it can have negative consequences.

Okay... so what is it that you teach your children that we should arbitrarily decide has "negative consequences"? I'm sure we can find something...

I wouldn't say 30 years dedicated to learning is exactly arbitrary, but if it makes you feel less threatened you can call it that.

As for me, I'm sure you're right. I probably do things that could/should be done differently. If you find some please point them out so I can adapt and grow. Unlike many/most religious people I have no fear of change or being wrong.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Alaric360

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: conjur
Get some good books showing how Egyptian mythology is the basis for much of Genesis and have your wife read them.

Then toss in something like Who Wrote The Bible? - Richard Elliott Friedman and From Jesus to Christianity - L. Michael White

Then have a nice family discussion.

Yes, yes, and the story of Moses the infant being pulled from the water is the same as the legend of Sargon of Akkad.

The real discussion should be about the historical importance of these stories and what they mean about our customs, traditions, and the way people think. I would suggest reading Joseph Campbell. The mere fact that the same stories appear over and over again, often without any physical connection, should be important to those honestly interested in the history of the human experience (as opposed to those who just want to join in on the book burning).

That the same stories are adapted to the changing tides of religion is a well known fact. Anyone want to speculate on the origins of christmas and easter? To christians they have a distinct biblical meaning, but they also happen to coincide with certain pagan holidays.

So we carry over stories from our ancestry and integrate them into our current religions ,this isn't big news.

The date for Christmas was set because December 25th is exactly 9 months after the date that the Church decided was the birth of the world (March 25) ...It was set while Dionysius Exiguus was commissioned by the Pope to calculate the dates for Easter for the remainder of the 6th century.....just fyi ......frikkin weirdos, huh?

You give a who and a when, but not a why. Where are eggs mentiioned in relation to the death and rebirth of christ? Eggs=fertility, Easter is the pagan rite of fertility. I ask you what better way is there to indoctrinate a population than to integrate their rituals into your own religion.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

The date for Christmas was set because December 25th is exactly 9 months after the date that the Church decided was the birth of the world (March 25) ...It was set while Dionysius Exiguus was commissioned by the Pope to calculate the dates for Easter for the remainder of the 6th century.....just fyi

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#Theories_on_the_origins_of_Christmas

While a lot of the stuff is good and true, let's never forget that wikipedia is not a valid academic source, and is often wrong or at least woefully incomplete.

 

[MarxUNR]

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[hans007]

my mom is deeply catholic. my brother is paranoid schizophrenic. i'm agnostic i'd say. i always say if jesus like comes to my apartment and goes, whats up man, i'm real, i could buy it so whatever.

i think in a really frustrated moment i told my mom something like... if jesus existed and cared my brother probably wouldnt be schizophrenic since this has obviously really impacted all our lives. so if he doesnt exist it is just random chance. so either god doesnt exist, or jesus hates us, take your pick.

my mom basically cried and said something about me not being raised right, but i think i made a point there as to why i do not go to church with her. i tend to come up with pretty logical reasonings to things, i dont know maybe thats why im a software engineer. but whatever just doesnt compute i guess.

i also have to say it seem like a lot of religious people have tried to have me see it their way. and have tried to invite me to like seminars and such. i dont go around asking people if they go to church and try to disproove their beliefs. i guess some religious people just like to try to convince others. i think it is insecurity, if someone doesnt believe you have to try to convince them because if you cant convince them there might be holes to your belief since some people think it is wrong. its like people who are like flamboyantly religious. they flaunt religion everywhere, post quotes everywhere etc, have bumper stickers etc. i dont have a "god probablby doesnt exist" sticker on my car, but tons of people have jesus ones. that is insecurity for you. im sure some of you wont agree, and that most religious people are not this "flamboyant" type, but i hope you agree that this type exists as well.

anyhow, i tend to think religion is just an annoyance in general, leads to wars and rampant lemmingism, but it tends to keep the masses focused since moral good tends to match up with general lawfulness and generally does a good job of that. so overall a good thing.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
My father doesn't believe in God but he wouldn't dare associate himself with "Atheists".

I grew up with honest options. My father would've smacked me for disrespecting my mother's beliefs.

Just because he didn't believe in God doesn't mean he wanted the same for me. He is smart enough to know that he might not know everything.

He also can see the hypocrisy in those who label themselves "Atheist" and who are intent on forcing their opinions and beliefs on others. He doesn't mind seeing the word God on his coins and that is what separates him from all these self-rightous "atheists". I respect my father for not forcing his beliefs on me very unlike the OP.

We're just saddened by the stupidity of people.

 

[MarxUNR]

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[MarxUNR]

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[Conky]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I have never met a single Christian with as much "holier-than-though" in them as the average Atheist. 😛

lol... I just thought it was funny to use "self-righteous" to describe atheists...

But really... it's weird that you've encountered atheists with that kind of attitude. I have yet to meet one that preaches his beliefs because for the most part, they don't care. There are some out there that whine about the word God being on our currency, and in our pledge. And hey, atheists aren't the only ones that support removing god from currency and such.

Unlike Christians, atheists aren't motivated to preach their beliefs to others in an attempt to save them from some horrible fate in the afterlife. Christians however, are called to spread the word of God, and to help people understand and accept Jesus. There's just no reason for an atheist to want to convince someone away from their religion... unless they just happen to enjoy debating and challenging one's beliefs, which has nothing to do with atheism but with the person.

Hate to tell you this but what you are saying is not true. I'm a Christian and I am under no influence or command to tell you or make you think like I do. I don't give a crap if you worship a shoe, goatse, or mohammed the pedophile... this is all your choice. :laugh:

I doubt Christ would disagree with my point of view. You believe what you want... that is true and honest religious perspective. And no, I won't assume you are going to hell, lol.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

The date for Christmas was set because December 25th is exactly 9 months after the date that the Church decided was the birth of the world (March 25) ...It was set while Dionysius Exiguus was commissioned by the Pope to calculate the dates for Easter for the remainder of the 6th century.....just fyi

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas#Theories_on_the_origins_of_Christmas

While a lot of the stuff is good and true, let's never forget that wikipedia is not a valid academic source, and is often wrong or at least woefully incomplete.

Okay, does this one work?

Excerpt from http://library.catholic.org/family/family121.txt

"The old Romans celebrated a pagan feast on December twenty-
fifth which they called the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun"
(Natalis Solis Invicti). This was a feast of the Mithras cult in honor
of the Sun-god, celebrating the winter solstice. Consequently, it
has been said that the Nativity is only a "Christianized pagan
festival." But all Christians during this period were keenly aware of
the difference between the two celebrations--one pagan and one
Christian--on the same day. In fact, the Popes seem rather to have
chosen December twenty-fifth precisely for the purpose of
inspiring the people to turn from the worship of a material sun to
the adoration of Christ the Lord."

hehe, i wasn't actually doubting this particular article, I'd heard most of it before in school. I was just pointing it out because I see so many people becoming reliant upon wikipedia. (Any reference to that site on an actual paper is an automatic F a lot of places.)

 

[MarxUNR]

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[MarxUNR]

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[Conky]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I have never met a single Christian with as much "holier-than-though" in them as the average Atheist. 😛

lol... I just thought it was funny to use "self-righteous" to describe atheists...

But really... it's weird that you've encountered atheists with that kind of attitude. I have yet to meet one that preaches his beliefs because for the most part, they don't care. There are some out there that whine about the word God being on our currency, and in our pledge. And hey, atheists aren't the only ones that support removing god from currency and such.

Unlike Christians, atheists aren't motivated to preach their beliefs to others in an attempt to save them from some horrible fate in the afterlife. Christians however, are called to spread the word of God, and to help people understand and accept Jesus. There's just no reason for an atheist to want to convince someone away from their religion... unless they just happen to enjoy debating and challenging one's beliefs, which has nothing to do with atheism but with the person.

Hate to tell you this but what you are saying is not true. I'm a Christian and I am under no influence or command to tell you or make you think like I do. I don't give a crap if you worship a shoe, goatse, or mohammed the pedophile... this is all your choice. :laugh:

I doubt Christ would disagree with my point of view. You believe what you want... that is true and honest religious perspective. And no, I won't assume you are going to hell, lol.

Christ does disagree. :laugh:

Mark 16:15-16 "And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. "

I'll find more if you want. If you really believe what you say, you aren't much of a Christian... not even following the teachings of your own holy book.

You are a tard.

I do not follow the bible in it's literal sense. It has parts that say "eye for eye" and "turn the other cheek".

Go ahead, teach me my religion you moron. :roll:

:laugh:

 

[MarxUNR]

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[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

You are a tard.

I do not follow the bible in it's literal sense. It has parts that say "eye for eye" and "turn the other cheek".

Go ahead, teach me my religion you moron.

lol... oh, I'm sorry... I didn't realize that the verse I provided was metaphorical... maybe you can tell me what that verse really means?

Hahaha, trying to make sense of the bible = priceless.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

You are a tard.

I do not follow the bible in it's literal sense. It has parts that say "eye for eye" and "turn the other cheek".

Go ahead, teach me my religion you moron.

lol... oh, I'm sorry... I didn't realize that the verse I provided was metaphorical... maybe you can tell me what that verse really means?

What part of "I do not follow the bible in it's literal sense" are you having problems understanding?

I still don't think you are the sharpest tool in the shed. 😛

 

[MarxUNR]

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[Conky]

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: MarxUNR

You are a tard.

I do not follow the bible in it's literal sense. It has parts that say "eye for eye" and "turn the other cheek".

Go ahead, teach me my religion you moron.

lol... oh, I'm sorry... I didn't realize that the verse I provided was metaphorical... maybe you can tell me what that verse really means?

Hahaha, trying to make sense of the bible = priceless.

:laugh:

Psst, he was laughing at you. 😉

 

[MarxUNR]

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