Chris Christie not running for President in 2012

[ProfJohn]

Newsflash to PJ: every single GOP candidate currently in the race, with the exception of Hunstman and Romney, is unelectable. Huntsman doesn't stand a chance of getting the nomination and Romney, well, he's Romney-the general perception is that he will say anything but believe nothing. I just don't see any of that group of clowns (Huntsman expected from the clown category) winning-and God save the US if they do, for any of them will greatly accelerate the decline of America started with GWB.

Remember this post come election night 2012...


Stop looking at the GOP through Democrat colored glasses and instead look at Obama and what he has/hasn't accomplished.

People will vote based on what Obama has done more than anything else and as long as the GOP candidate doesn't scare them (and that hasn't happened in the past) then Obama is almost certain to lose.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

So what you are saying is that it is correct to "Blame Bush" for the mess that we are in now and that Obama's policies are actually working but may not have results until he is out of office?

or could it be...
blame bush for getting us into this mess.
blame obama for making things worse.

 

[halik]

Yea dude, Romney is a RINO.

Lulz. Love that term - singlehandedly accomplished un-electability of all "true" GOP candidates.

 

[JS80]

or could it be...
blame bush for getting us into this mess.
blame obama for making things worse.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...a_statute_of_limitations_on_blaming_bush.html

 

[hal2kilo]

It's their party and they'll cry if they want to, cry if they want to.

 

[CrackRabbit]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...a_statute_of_limitations_on_blaming_bush.html

I agree with Krauthammer. Heck, even the president himself agrees with him. The thing is that no matter what Obama does at this point, the effects of it won't be felt until after he is out of office. Weather that is January 2013 or January 2017, all depends on who runs against him.
With the current flock of clowns he is up against, my bet is on the latter.

 

[werepossum]

His record in Mass suggests he's a moderate. His current rhetoric suggests he's a pretty staunch conservative. Arguably he had to compromise as governor of a blue state. He certainly isn't a social moderate. Where is he on abortion, gay rights, immigration?

Yeah, Bush was a conservative on foreign policy as the repubs have been a hawkish party for a long while. And a conservative on the bulk of social issues. He was a big spender but the high defense spending IS conservative. The tax cuts were conservative. Medicare Part D was not. I get what you're saying about the high spending making him not a conservative, but then I have to wonder who was the last "conservative" POTUS we had? It certainly wasn't Reagan or GHWB.

The fact is "conservative" has a more extreme identity today than it has in the past. Most past republicans are RINO's by current definitions.

Certainly Reagan was a conservative, and arguably the last conservative President we've had. He wasn't perfect, of course, and he understood that he had to give to get what he wanted (especially with a Democrat Congress) but overall he was quite conservative. And I'll see your extreme conservative definition and raise you an extreme liberal definition. A man with Obama's politics would not have stood a chance in hell of re-election before this. Even FDR didn't propose as much liberalism as do today's Democrats. Even during Bush I, Democrats proposing a health care bill that would jail Americans for daring to spend their own money on their own health care needs, as did Clinton the very next term, would have been unelectable in almost every state. The left has succeeded in moving the country far to the left in most ways, to the point that someone stepping from 1960 America to 2011 America would hardly recognize the country.

Bush had 49% approval on election day.

Obama has 42% approval rating today.

HUGE difference. Everyone with approval below 49% has lost. Right now Obama is looking at losing by 2-5 percent.

At this point everything points towards Obama losing. His numbers are already well below what it takes to win. And the economy is getting worse which means his numbers will get worse.

Other than Truman not one President has had below 50ish percent approval a year before the election and won a second term.

BTW Clinton is the ONLY Democrat to win two terms since Roosevelt. Every other Democrat has either not run or became President when the previous President died.
Truman won 1 election in 1948 did not run again
JFK won 1 election in 1960 killed
Johnson won 1 election in 1964 did not run again
Carter won 1 election in 1976 lost in 1980
Clinton won 2 elections
The whole 'incumbents almost always win two terms' thing tends to ignore that fact.

There are some historic indicators that point toward Obama losing and some that point to him winning, so either way some historic "rules" are going to be erased.

2012-2016 will be a catch 22. Cut government spending and coming closer to a balanced budget will have short term negative effects to the economy.

Maintaining deficits and/or increasing tax rates/status quo will have short and long term negative effects to the economy.

Whoever wins in 2012 will be a loser. I think Christie understands this and is why he is passing. It's a much better strategy to re-elect Obama and force his hand to balancing the budget so he can be the fall guy as the economy remains weak and then elect a conservative in 2016 who can then take credit for a recovery after the effects of the medicine have passed.

I suspect this is correct, although I have no faith that deficits will reach, say, 2006 levels by 2016. And yeah, Rubio is a rising star and has an excellent chance of being President one day.

 

[Craig234]

Christie is a Koch puppet corporatist planning for 2016 IMO.

Some say he 'talks straight', far from it.

His reasons for not running in 2012 are quite phony - he doesn't 'yet' feel ready, really want it, has more important things to do in his state...

All nonsense, but 'sound good' and are easily changed for 2016.

 

[ProfJohn]

Christie is a Koch puppet corporatist

Alex, I'll take Weasel words for $1000.


Nice tongue twister though, say it three times fast...

 

[HomerJS]

Remember this post come election night 2012...


Stop looking at the GOP through Democrat colored glasses and instead look at Obama and what he has/hasn't accomplished.

People will vote based on what Obama has done more than anything else and as long as the GOP candidate doesn't scare them (and that hasn't happened in the past) then Obama is almost certain to lose.

Also in consideration, over 90% of the complaints about Obama are things the GOP fucked up he hasen't fixed yet.

 

[Generator]

Obama would have given the fat boy a drubbing. I still think Scary Perry is the man for the Republican plebs. I'm sure the next debate he'll be right back on top once he realized that his base need a lord and he will surely terrorize them into a slave/master relationship.

Huntsmann is the darkhorse however. I think he's pretty strong against Obama. Always a prayer for Paul I guess lol...

 

[mchammer187]

Wonder what happened?

If Obama gets re-elected, will that kill his chances of winning the nomination in 2016 if he chooses to run then?

His only chance will be if Obama wins.

If the Republicans win the White House, whoever is in office will be the automatic Republican Party nomination

 

[CPA]

This was his chance and perhaps only chance.

Talk to Mario Cuomo about how that works.

Obama is almost certain to lose next year and if he does that mean a Republican President in 2016 who will be running for re-election. It also means a new Republican vice president who is set up in 2020 as the favorite.

So this is essentially the only chance many of these people will ever have to be President (unless Obama wins next year)

Who ever wins the GOP nomination this year and their VP pick will probably dominate GOP presidential politics for the next 12 years as happen with Nixon/Ford, Carter/Mondale, Reagan/Bush and Clinton/Gore UNLESS the VP pick is someone who can't run on their own ala Quayle, Chenney and perhaps Biden.

OP stated that if Obama WINS, it would ruin CC's chances in 2016. That I don't understand.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Christie is a Koch puppet corporatist planning for 2016 IMO.

Some say he 'talks straight', far from it.

His reasons for not running in 2012 are quite phony - he doesn't 'yet' feel ready, really want it, has more important things to do in his state...

All nonsense, but 'sound good' and are easily changed for 2016.

Obama is a sock puppet for wall street. That said Christie could be Christ incarnate and you'd crucify him. My sense is that hes saying what he means and that confuses the hell out of people who twist reality for their ideology.

Wolfe, Christie would probably win simply because he said "no" in NJ. Hes a politician so I don't take everything at face value but the dems should be thrilled hes not running. The independents would most likely gone with him over obama and that would be it. Now I haven't anyone to consider voting for.

 

[woolfe9999]

Obama is a sock puppet for wall street. That said Christie could be Christ incarnate and you'd crucify him. My sense is that hes saying what he means and that confuses the hell out of people who twist reality for their ideology.

Wolfe, Christie would probably win simply because he said "no" in NJ. Hes a politician so I don't take everything at face value but the dems should be thrilled hes not running. The independents would most likely gone with him over obama and that would be it. Now I haven't anyone to consider voting for.

Oh I agree that Christie could well beat Obama, in fact probably would. It's whether he could win the primaries that I doubt. He's too far off the GOP base on too many of his positions.

 

[ProfJohn]

Also in consideration, over 90% of the complaints about Obama are things the GOP fucked up he hasen't fixed yet.

Opposition to Obama grows — strongly
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ows--strongly/2011/10/04/gIQAlch2ML_blog.html
This is the Washington Post.

Four in 10 Americans “strongly” disapprove of how President Obama is handling the job of president in the new Washington Post-ABC News poll, the highest that number has risen during his time in office and a sign of the hardening opposition to him as he seeks a second term.

While the topline numbers are troubling enough, dig deeper into them and the news gets no better for Obama. Forty-three percent of independents — a group the president spent the better part of the last year courting — strongly disapprove of the job he is doing. Forty-seven percent of people 65 years of age and older — reliable voters in any election — strongly disapprove of how he is doing his job.

 

[ProfJohn]

Oh I agree that Christie could well beat Obama, in fact probably would. It's whether he could win the primaries that I doubt. He's too far off the GOP base on too many of his positions.

I agree on both points.

Christie is a one trick pony(three maybe)

Republicans will love him for standing up to unions and love him for his anti-tax and hold the line on spending stance. But after that it tends to go down hill.

Personally I would probably be okay with the guy since taxes and spending are FAR more important than any social issue. But a lot of people wouldn't vote for him over the social issues.

 

[Ausm]

OP stated that if Obama WINS, it would ruin CC's chances in 2016. That I don't understand.

I found that statement interesting as well. I don't exactly agree with Christie's Politics but I do think he is authentic which seems amazing for a Politician.

 

[ProfJohn]

THIS is Christie's moment.

IF Obama wins then come 2016 Marco Rubio is going to clear the field. The right wing media LOVE the guy. He is like the second coming or Reagan reincarnate. He is certain to be at the top of the VP list.

As long as he doesn't self-destruct he will be the Republican nominee in either 2016 or 2020.

It will be like Dole in 1996 and Bush in 2000 where everyone knew they were going to be the nominee before the race even started.

 

[xj0hnx]

Oh I agree that Christie could well beat Obama, in fact probably would. It's whether he could win the primaries that I doubt. He's too far off the GOP base on too many of his positions.

He is, but come on McCan't won them last time, and he was not even in the front running. It was Romney, Ghouliani, Thompson, Huckabee, than as this cycle, they fell one by one, and suddenly it was McCan't, the sacrificial lamb to the GOP nominations slaughter.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, the folks from New Jersey, a blue state no less, thinks Christie is the man for the job, so he must have some credentials worth considering.

That said, I haven't seen a single redeeming quality displayed by him yet besides the knack for knowing a kamikaze mission when he sees it and having a schoolyard bully attitude that "gets things done".

Funny thing is, as the smoke clears over the field of battle the Repub candidates are fighting in, Christie does look like their best hope. However, he hasn't jousted on that field of battle yet, so maybe an advantage for him at the moment is that he is an unknown in that regard. I say this because so far, the Repub candidates have proven to be their own worst enemies, and Christie just may be another one of them if he had exposed himself under the pressure of nationally televised debate. We'll never know though, unless he develops a brain fart big enough to convince him to jump into the fine mess the Repubs presently find themselves in candidate-wise.

 

[Ausm]

Well, the folks from New Jersey, a blue state no less, thinks Christie is the man for the job, so he must have some credentials worth considering.

That said, I haven't seen a single redeeming quality displayed by him yet besides the knack for knowing a kamikaze mission when he sees it and having a schoolyard bully attitude that "gets things done".

Funny thing is, as the smoke clears over the field of battle the Repub candidates are fighting in, Christie does look like their best hope. However, he hasn't jousted on that field of battle yet, so maybe an advantage for him at the moment is that he is an unknown in that regard. I say this because so far, the Repub candidates have proven to be their own worst enemies, and Christie just may be another one of them if he had exposed himself under the pressure of nationally televised debate. We'll never know though, unless he develops a brain fart big enough to convince him to jump into the fine mess the Repubs presently find themselves in candidate-wise.

There was alot of Repubs out there crying in their beer after seeing that statement .

 

[CPA]

There was alot of Repubs out there crying in their beer after seeing that statement .

Why? Christie has been the most watched and under-the-lights governor in the US...more than Perry, more than Davis, even more than Walker in Wiscy.

He hasn't waivered and he's stuck to what he's said he was going to do. He's also speaks plainly without a lot of political-speak.

 

[werepossum]

I agree on both points.

Christie is a one trick pony(three maybe)

Republicans will love him for standing up to unions and love him for his anti-tax and hold the line on spending stance. But after that it tends to go down hill.

Personally I would probably be okay with the guy since taxes and spending are FAR more important than any social issue. But a lot of people wouldn't vote for him over the social issues.

That explains why I love him, since I hate the Republican Party stance on most social issues. Still, I support his decision to not run. He needs to make his mistakes at a state level before he takes his game nationwide.

 

[woolfe9999]

He is, but come on McCan't won them last time, and he was not even in the front running. It was Romney, Ghouliani, Thompson, Huckabee, than as this cycle, they fell one by one, and suddenly it was McCan't, the sacrificial lamb to the GOP nominations slaughter.

Yeah McCain did win in 2008 in a field of mostly more moderate opponents. The GOP voting base has moved to the right since then in reaction to Obama. There was no real functional tea party in 2008.