Choose your kids school, be labelled a racist

Specop 007

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Huh. So white parents dont want to send their kids to schools that are filled with gang bangers, criminals and thugs so the "Community Leaders" step forward to proclaim the obvious. It must be racism!! Oh my! Oh no. Family structure, socio-economic conditions and the lack of quality education wouldnt have anything at all to do with it.

Its simple racism. Of course.

I like the part at the bottom myself. Researchers dont know if demographics plays a part in the decision to go charter. Well of course it does. Parents dont want their children going to school with a bunch of worthless fuckwit gang bangers. RACE has less to do with it than CLASS.

It just so happens that race is a good indication of class it seems. But, as so often happens, rather than address the underlying causes the "Community Leaders" throw out the race card. Hey, its easiest that way.....

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/08/20100208charterschools0208.html

Report: Racial gap grows in charter schools

The racial gap is widening with the increase in charter schools in Arizona and other states due to a lack of regulation and enforcement of existing civil-rights regulations, a group of researchers based at the University of California-Los Angeles said in a new report.

The UCLA Civil Rights Project report, "Choice Without Equity," revealed what researchers deemed a troubling pattern of racial stratification in charter schools across the country.

They said they believe state and federal intervention can turn the trend around.

Gary Orfield, the project's co-director, said the Obama administration's recent grant programs, such as Race to the Top, and charter-school grants that encourage the expansion of charters and development of new ones, are a timely opportunity for regulation.

"We don't want Race to the Top to become a race to the past," Orfield said, referring to the new federal grant program meant to raise school achievement.

Based on data collected from 2000 to 2007 by the National Center for Education Statistics, the researchers found patterns that indicate charter schools in Arizona, California and other Western states have become havens for "White flight."

Of the 98,728 students enrolled in Arizona charter schools in 2007, 52 percent were White, 34 percent Latino, 7 percent Black, 4 percent American Indian and 3 percent Asian.

Orfield said this racial gap has been widening over three decades.

"The (Southwest) region has experienced very sharp increases in segregation of Latino students since the 1970s, and it is usually segregation by both race and poverty, and sometimes language as well," Orfield wrote.

He said students in segregated schools "often have few choices of schooling that offers a better chance to graduate, be ready for college, and be prepared to learn, live and work in an extremely diverse society."

In addition to recommending new regulation, Orfield recommended that the Obama administration and states invest more in magnet schools because they have a stronger record than charters when it comes to ensuring equity.

The Arizona Charter Schools Association objected to the report and the recommendations.

"I think that (more regulation) would almost take away what the charter-school movement is about, and that is choice," association spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham said.

She noted that some charters in Arizona have large numbers of minorities or low-income children.

Researchers also had said in their report that although a majority of the students in Arizona charter schools are White, a few charter schools have a majority of ethnic minority students - which researchers refer to as "isolation."

Case in point: Tertulia Pre-College Community Intermediate Campus in Phoenix. The school serves mostly Latino students, and a number of them are low-income, according to state data on greatschools.org.

Grisham noted that another school that fits the isolation trend is Children First Academy in Phoenix, which serves a high number of students who aren't fluent in English; many of them are low-income.

Researchers said the pattern of segregation in charter schools has emerged as public support for "school choice" is on the rise. The goal of this educational movement is to give families opportunities to choose which school their children will attend.

Arizona is a pro-school-choice state, and the number of charter schools and number of students attending them have more than doubled in the state since 2000.

The word "segregation" tends to stir up memories of separate schools for African-American and White students in the years leading up to the 1960s civil-rights movement, but this recent trend is different because parents are choosing where to send their children.

This has left researchers pondering how race plays into school choice. They admitted they cannot explain whether parents enroll their children in the schools with conscious consideration of demographics.
 

Matthiasa

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Of the 98,728 students enrolled in Arizona charter schools in 2007, 52 percent were White, 34 percent Latino, 7 percent Black, 4 percent American Indian and 3 percent Asian.
Lower percentage of white people then the state... omg racists...
 

fallout man

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Of the 98,728 students enrolled in Arizona charter schools in 2007, 52 percent were White, 34 percent Latino, 7 percent Black, 4 percent American Indian and 3 percent Asian.

Lower percentage of white people then the state... omg racists...

Yup. It looks like "them beaners" want their kids to go to nice schools and succeed as well--so much for the whole "lazy immugrant welfare culture" thing...

Frankly, I'm not really surprised here. If I can manage, I'm sending my children to a school as far away from ghetto trash as possible, even if I have to pay up the ass for it. If there's ever a conflict with the kids, I don't want to have to put on a bullet-proof vest when I go to have "a talk" with some little shit-head's parents.
 

Atreus21

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Call me a racist. Call me anything you want.

But I'm putting my kid wherever the hell I want, and you can choke on it.

It's a free country, thank God.
 

fallout man

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Call me a racist. Call me anything you want.

But I'm putting my kid wherever the hell I want, and you can choke on it.

It's a free country, thank God.

You'll have to pry your kid from my cold dead hands...!!!!
 

EXman

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Call me a racist. Call me anything you want.

But I'm putting my kid wherever the hell I want, and you can choke on it.

It's a free country, thank God.

No different than Obama's Kiddos... Didn't Obama force other kids to go back to thier nearest school in D.C. I know he tried...
 

SamurAchzar

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. If there's ever a conflict with the kids, I don't want to have to put on a bullet-proof vest when I go to have "a talk" with some little shit-head's parents.

No need for a bulletproof vest, just ask one of your buddies to send you one of these, you'd easily have the last word in the schoolboard.
 

umbrella39

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Ah, same shit, different toilet. Nothing new here except another scuuurd white guy post.
 

Patranus

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The "progressives" will do all they can to stop the growth of charter schools because they offer "choice and competition" to government mandates.
 
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Wait, what's the problem? 52% of students in charter schools are white in a state that has a population that is 86% white? How is that symbolic of white flight in any way shape or form? If you want to see the real disparity, you could break down public vs. charter vs. private, but it's much more fun to get offended at statistics that don't indicate the problem you claim they do.
 

JEDIYoda

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No different than Obama's Kiddos... Didn't Obama force other kids to go back to thier nearest school in D.C. I know he tried...

your a total idiot.....proof and links or crawl back ubder your rock you came from..

Even your source doesn`t say shit about Quote:
Obama forc[ing] other kids to go back to thier [sic] nearest school in D.C. I know he tried...
 

StageLeft

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White flight is real and it's one thing decrying it but it's another using your kid as a symbol of your decrying. Some of the schools around my area are despicably poor and yes the majority of kids are minority. When you're looking where to send your own kid you're far less likely to spend time analyzing causes and God knows what else and simply look at what's in front of your face.
 

waggy

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shrug.

I live in the country in a very small town. why? i know the school very well and ON avg the kids (k-8th) rank higher then any school in the area. My daughter is in the 2nd grade. her class has a avg reading lvl of 4th grade, math lvl is 3.6 etc.

IF we would have moved into the town we were thinking of the kids would have been sent to Rochelle school district. which has a bad gang problem.
 

boomerang

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From the article in the OP.

The UCLA Civil Rights Project report, "Choice Without Equity," revealed what researchers deemed a troubling pattern of racial stratification in charter schools across the country.

There's the problem right there. It's twofold. People justifying their employment by creating something out of nothing is one. The second is UCLA. More shit from the state that will be bankrupt the soonest do to their misguided intentions.

The best thing the country as a whole could do is ignore this study.
 

halik

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Yup. It looks like "them beaners" want their kids to go to nice schools and succeed as well--so much for the whole "lazy immugrant welfare culture" thing...

Frankly, I'm not really surprised here. If I can manage, I'm sending my children to a school as far away from ghetto trash as possible, even if I have to pay up the ass for it. If there's ever a conflict with the kids, I don't want to have to put on a bullet-proof vest when I go to have "a talk" with some little shit-head's parents.

I don't think anyone has ever made the argument that mexican immigrants (illegal or otherwise) are lazy or come here for welfare...

I would bet that you can explain 80% of the "white flight" if you regress the numbers by income, rather than race. That is, if you look at the income distribution of public vs charter school, the "wealth flight" effect will dominate any sort of whites correlation. Remember, white people are wealthier on avg.
 

halik

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OK.

I don't see anything in the article about

America is a land of personal responsibility. It's a land of pulling yourself up by your boot-straps! Why do you hate America?

This,
I read about obama ending a scholarship program, not stopping people from being able to send kids to private school. The Obamas are worth couple of mils and just like any other mass-wealth family, they'll send their kids to private school.
 

halik

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Wait, what's the problem? 52% of students in charter schools are white in a state that has a population that is 86% white? How is that symbolic of white flight in any way shape or form? If you want to see the real disparity, you could break down public vs. charter vs. private, but it's much more fun to get offended at statistics that don't indicate the problem you claim they do.

Rate of change vs nominal number. RTFA
 

Specop 007

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Ah, same shit, different toilet. Nothing new here except another scuuurd white guy post.

Scuuurd? Of what? Im one of those who can give their kids a quality education. Scared that some ghetto trash mom is going to piss and moan about racism because I choose to provide better for my kid than she does for hers?

Hardly. I just get highly amused from everyone who plays the race card without doing a deep dive on the data at hand. That would require things like thought, effort and work. Much, much easier to just say RACIST!