Chiropractors?

[Regs]

I would think the guy with colon cancer had other symptoms other than chronic back pain.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Crono
I can see how the physical therapy aspects of chiropractic can actually work, but I don't see how chiropractic is more "advanced", nor do I see the need for it as a separate field. Aren't the confirmed methods and treatments already integrated into mainstream medicine?

mainstream medicine uses medicine to treat problems. Doctors will not be hands on with a patient trying to correct pain.

Physical therapy for reducing pain tends to focus on muscle groups, using exercise and stretching techniques to manage muscle issues, such as pressure against nerves or joints.

Chiropractic tends to use a combination of physical therapy techniques along with more physical manipulation that is supposed to help with joint alignment. That type of technique is not something that licensed physical therapists do, as they are not taught it and is not a part of PT's field, if you will. A physical therapist will not use techniques that are basically not covered by their certificate/license.

The reason why most people go to the chiropractor is because they want someone to fix them. However, with physical therapy, the therapist gives you tools to fix yourself. A lot of people don't like that since it involves a routine that they are responsible for themselves.

Often times, people have to continually see chiropractors for treatment. However, with PT, once you complete your program and generally correct previous problems, you'll be healed for good.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Crono
My opinion is that there are a few practicioners that know a little about some things, but the field as a whole is mostly junk, and can be dangerous because it's not a science-based field of medicine.

What? Chiropractic is based on science. Perhaps you're thinking of something more like Homeopathy/

I look at Chiropractors as more advanced physical therapists. They can often help you a lot, but only to the degree your body is capable of being restored to.

Agreed.

I see a Chiropractor more often than I see a MD, but I am also able to tell when a Chiro can fix and issue and when he can't.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I've had this sheit with my shoulder that comes from a benchpress, now i am a fairly heavy lifter but after that i couldn't benchpress, i had to use dumbells (any yes, dumbells build more mass, if you can use them with both hands in any exercise, do that).

I talked with Eits and he kinda knew right away, so i thought i'd see someone who might know about it and while she used all of her strangth with arms and legs i have to say... the thing she said about it made a shitload of sense to me, repeated hits on the shoulder... well no shit.

Eits is a good guy and this is a real profession, i know he doesn't care for the mumbo jumbo but he does care for his patients and i would have no problem with being treated by him, it's just this one thing, if i hurts, i'll fuck you up.

 

[techs]

btw many people are confused between Osteopaths and Chiropractors.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Crono
My opinion is that there are a few practicioners that know a little about some things, but the field as a whole is mostly junk, and can be dangerous because it's not a science-based field of medicine.

What? Chiropractic is based on science. Perhaps you're thinking of something more like Homeopathy/

I look at Chiropractors as more advanced physical therapists. They can often help you a lot, but only to the degree your body is capable of being restored to.

Agreed.

I see a Chiropractor more often than I see a MD, but I am also able to tell when a Chiro can fix and issue and when he can't.

Yeah but you're such a liberal hippie type of guy anyway.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Alone
Surprised eits hasn't posted yet.

I wouldn't if I were him. He seems to be one of the reasonable ones...at least I haven't seen him say chiropracty will prevent cancer and other bat-crazy shit.

But every one of the several times he's explained or defended the field, someone's jumped down his throat with a pocket full of blind hate. What's the point?

 

[JD50]

I never really had an opinion either way but after seeing some of the crazy shit that eits has posted I'm gonna have to go with quack.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Alone
Surprised eits hasn't posted yet.

I wouldn't if I were him. He seems to be one of the reasonable ones...at least I haven't seen him say chiropracty will prevent cancer and other bat-crazy shit.

But every one of the severals he's explained or defended the field, someone's jumped down his throat with a pocket full of blind hate. What's the point?

He'd have an officer of Special Air Service defending him?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Crono
I can see how the physical therapy aspects of chiropractic can actually work, but I don't see how chiropractic is more "advanced", nor do I see the need for it as a separate field. Aren't the confirmed methods and treatments already integrated into mainstream medicine?

mainstream medicine uses medicine to treat problems. Doctors will not be hands on with a patient trying to correct pain.

Physical therapy for reducing pain tends to focus on muscle groups, using exercise and stretching techniques to manage muscle issues, such as pressure against nerves or joints.

Chiropractic tends to use a combination of physical therapy techniques along with more physical manipulation that is supposed to help with joint alignment. That type of technique is not something that licensed physical therapists do, as they are not taught it and is not a part of PT's field, if you will. A physical therapist will not use techniques that are basically not covered by their certificate/license.

The reason why most people go to the chiropractor is because they want someone to fix them. However, with physical therapy, the therapist gives you tools to fix yourself. A lot of people don't like that since it involves a routine that they are responsible for themselves.

Often times, people have to continually see chiropractors for treatment. However, with PT, once you complete your program and generally correct previous problems, you'll be healed for good.

WHAT?

The better chiropractors I've seen combined phlysical therapy with chiropractic care. Physical therapy isn't going to FIX your problems, all it can do is help tone muscles and get them in shape after an injury.
I so NOT buy all the chiropractic claims that chiro can cure all the diseases of mind and body, but IME, very few "modern chiropractors" make those claims like they did in years gone by.

I worked construction for 30+ years. Back injuries are relatively common, especially for people like me who spent most of their time sitting on their asses and watching other people work.

Chiropractic kept me going for over 20 years...until I finally fucked the back up so much that chiro couldn't help long term. My chiropractor recommended a MRI, then referred me to a neurosurgeon for care. He told me that he could treat me theraputically, but could not help the 3 herniated disks.
He did ultrasound therapy, massage therapy, and muscle stim therapy to help with the soft tissue pain, but wouldn't adjust the areas that had the bad disks.

I believe that for MOST back injuries, (sprains/strains) chiropractic is better than the options you get from an MD...who will prescribe pain killers and MAYBE physical therapy.

 

[DrPizza]

Depends on the specific chiropractor. Some are quacks, some are not. I was in two car accidents; both times rear-ended while stopped at a light. Being tough & young, I shrugged them off without getting checked. On occasion, I'll have chronic neck & upper back pain. A trip or two to my chiropractor & the headaches are gone for a year or two.

Right now, I've been putting up with the pain. I can feel the specific muscle that's knotted up in my back. I can use a massager to get that muscle to relax. But, it keeps getting knotted again. I'm quite confident that the next trip to the chiropractor will take care of that problem more long term.

During my first visits to the chiropractor, he asked me if I was having tingling feelings occasionally in my right hand; and I had been. I had never given it any consideration that it was related to something in my back; just assumed it was early symptoms of carpal tunnel or something. That problem went away for quite a few years. (resurfaced with the neck/back aches of the past couple months.)

As far as I know, at least in terms of chiropractic care, Eits isn't one of the quacks. I'm a little disappointed that he will make claims that haven't been substantiated by any research, despite numerous attempts to do so by an industry with a vested interest to be in agreement with Eits. Otherwise, he seems quite knowledgeable about the field.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Alone
Surprised eits hasn't posted yet.

I'm sure eits is too busy being a chiropractor making wads of $$$ to give a shit about this post at the moment.

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: Regs
I would think the guy with colon cancer had other symptoms other than chronic back pain.

Nah, Colon Cancer is always a differential with chronic lower back pain. It is one of those cancers you don't catch until it is too late. Not many early symptoms and it doesn't hit the fan until too late.

It is one of the big reasons you should get a prostate exam regularly because you also do a quick scan for colon cancer with a hemo card. Micro amounts of blood in the stool might be the only sign you get.

 

[Sedition]

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[Regs]

Originally posted by: Sedition

Originally posted by: Regs
I would think the guy with colon cancer had other symptoms other than chronic back pain.

Nah, Colon Cancer is always a differential with chronic lower back pain. It is one of those cancers you don't catch until it is too late. Not many early symptoms and it doesn't hit the fan until too late.

It is one of the big reasons you should get a prostate exam regularly because you also do a quick scan for colon cancer with a hemo card. Micro amounts of blood in the stool might be the only sign you get.

That's scary. I get regular check ups with blood work and urinalysis. Though I don't have a family history of cancer and I'm 26 so the doc's will likely think a lower Gi track exam would likely be a waste of money. Of course, everytime I get constipated or get the runs I get scared shitless.

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: Sedition

Originally posted by: Regs
I would think the guy with colon cancer had other symptoms other than chronic back pain.

Nah, Colon Cancer is always a differential with chronic lower back pain. It is one of those cancers you don't catch until it is too late. Not many early symptoms and it doesn't hit the fan until too late.

It is one of the big reasons you should get a prostate exam regularly because you also do a quick scan for colon cancer with a hemo card. Micro amounts of blood in the stool might be the only sign you get.

That's scary. I get regular check ups with blood work and urinalysis. Though I don't have a family history of cancer and I'm 26 so the doc's will likely think a lower Gi track exam would likely be a waste of money. Of course, everytime I get constipated or get the runs I get scared shitless.

Yeah, Colon Cancer is one of those really scary horrible cancers.

Those Colon scopes that all the morning talknews shows were sending their anchors to get are another screener for colon cancer. It isn't very common like lung or skin cancer, but it is really nasty and one of those risks that we get as we age.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

My (informed) opinion.

 

[Rudee]

Doing various back and core stretches 3x a week eliminated the back pain I had been suffering with for the last year or so.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
My (informed) opinion.

Your thread overrides this threads need to exist.

 

[torpid]

Neither poll option expresses my opinion. Some are quacks. Many are not. I don't know what "the real thing" means, though. IMO, based on conversations here, they could be helpful, but the field as a whole does not offer the level of expertise claimed in other threads here by certain people.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: funkymatt
went to one once. dude put his fingers in my mouth and charged me an axtra $50 for setup of paperwork. i have not been back to any chiropractor, although my wife and her mom say they're the best ever.

wrong hole dude

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Crono
I can see how the physical therapy aspects of chiropractic can actually work, but I don't see how chiropractic is more "advanced", nor do I see the need for it as a separate field. Aren't the confirmed methods and treatments already integrated into mainstream medicine?

mainstream medicine uses medicine to treat problems. Doctors will not be hands on with a patient trying to correct pain.

Physical therapy for reducing pain tends to focus on muscle groups, using exercise and stretching techniques to manage muscle issues, such as pressure against nerves or joints.

Chiropractic tends to use a combination of physical therapy techniques along with more physical manipulation that is supposed to help with joint alignment. That type of technique is not something that licensed physical therapists do, as they are not taught it and is not a part of PT's field, if you will. A physical therapist will not use techniques that are basically not covered by their certificate/license.

I use magic to heal myself. No doctor can understand it, as they are not trained.

 

[krylon]

I once went to a chiropractor.

I put it in her bleached pooper with my huge penis.

 

[videogames101]

They're the real thing, but unfortunately, many of them also subscribe to crazy stuff, ala homeopathy.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Paging eits!

Never been to a chiropractor myself, but then I've never needed one. I've been to physiotherapy and it was extremely helpful.

KT

Please don't equate chiropractic and physiotherapy. PT is based on medical science and is an allied health profession...chiropractic is not.

Originally posted by: destrekor
Chiropractic tends to use a combination of physical therapy techniques along with more physical manipulation that is supposed to help with joint alignment. That type of technique is not something that licensed physical therapists do, as they are not taught it and is not a part of PT's field, if you will. A physical therapist will not use techniques that are basically not covered by their certificate/license.

False.

Modern PT education includes joint manipulation, it is covered in the scope of practice of physical therapists in the vast majority of states (laws differ state to state), and it is used by some PTs.

The difference between PTs and chiropractic is that we actually have research evidence to help us determine when joint manipulation is appropriate and when it isn't.

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Physical therapy isn't going to FIX your problems, all it can do is help tone muscles and get them in shape after an injury.

Incorrect. PT is used as a curative treatment in many conditions. A few common examples: Patello-Femoral Pain Syndrome, Radiculopathy, Lumbar/Cervical pain related to vertebral instability, pain from Osteoarthritis.

Yes, we also work to restore function following injury or surgery, but saying PT doesn't fix problems is just plainly misinformed.

Chiropractic kept me going for over 20 years...until I finally fucked the back up so much that chiro couldn't help long term.

This is the problem...any physical therapist seeing the same patient for the same issue for 20 years would be tried for fraud. If the patient is not progressing towards health, treatment can't be called effective in good conscience.

A (ethical) PT would not see anyone for longer than 1 to 2 years regarding an issue, an treatment only extends into the "years" category for neural conditions that have an extensive recovery period (stroke, spinal cord trauma, etc. - research indicates individuals who have had a stroke can continue to regain function for as long as 48 months after the incident). After that, the patient would be expected to be at maximal progression (plateau) for PT. The therapist would at this point educate the patient on how to MAINTAIN the gains he/she has achieved without the therapist supervising, and discharge the patient once the patient is able to perform this/these task(s).

A lot of misinformation on PT in this thread...please folks, leave descriptions of a given profession to the professionals...