Chiropractic - the good, the bad and the ugly

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
No, all doctors who STILL practice blood letting is a fraud. Just like chiropractors who still use the "spinal subluxation" model of health are. So fine, maybe there are chiropractors out there who practice 100% science-based physical therapy, but in that case, why hitch your wagon to such obvious BS? Maybe because of the completely uncritical acceptance Chiropractic almost universally receives? Maybe because they've set up their own licensing process which bypasses medical licensing?

Dammit, every time I write something someone comes along and does a better job of it than me In other words, this ^^

You still haven't actually said why you think its crack science besides "some doctors who practice this type are crackheads and heres some 50 year old stats"

It's like me saying "I think some doctors are idiots for still thinking that Gayness is learned not born with"

I'm still trying to see exactly why you think the science is fake. If you asked me to say, defend my stance on Israel, I could tell you and leave no room for doubt as to why, I wouldn't say things like "Israel is only right sometimes as long as this this and this are met, but if not than this is the reason and 50 years ago the 6 day war proved that"


Unless, what you are saying is the quack chiropractors are bad, but the ones who approach there field from a scientific view are good. If your saying that, than obviously you statement of "being a chiropractor is a quack profession" are false.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
your blind hatred of ALL chiropractors makes about as much sense as hating all dentists based on their treatments from the 1800's...come to think about it...dentistry hasn't changed all that much since then either!

Hatred is not the right word. I use strong language to try to warn people against pseudoscience and towards evidence-based medicine. I don't hate chiropractors, but I am dismayed by the public's lack of knowledge and almost total acceptance of something for which there is no evidence.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
History cliffs
-- Chiropractic was invented in a single day based on a single incident by a single person
-- The inventor was a magnetic healer and spiritualist
-- Chiropractic gained huge political power and a crackpot leader

Does this mean Doctors are all frauds, because early history included leeches and blood letting?

No, all doctors who STILL practice blood letting is a fraud. Just like chiropractors who still use the "spinal subluxation" model of health are. So fine, maybe there are chiropractors out there who practice 100% science-based physical therapy, but in that case, why hitch your wagon to such obvious BS? Maybe because of the completely uncritical acceptance Chiropractic almost universally receives? Maybe because they've set up their own licensing process which bypasses medical licensing?

So you have no issue with there medicine, just the way they are governed?

Of the small minority who practice 100% evidence-based medicine, yes. But I do take issue with the employment of, not merely unproven, but highly implausible alternative medicine. Keep in mind that many chiropractors don't limit themselves to back-cracking. Many branch out into things like Homeopathy (magic water).

And BTW, please someone defend Homeopathy. That's a fun pseudo-science.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Unless, what you are saying is the quack chiropractors are bad, but the ones who approach there field from a scientific view are good. If your saying that, than obviously you statement of "being a chiropractor is a quack profession" are false.

No, what I'm saying is that the chiropractors who practice legitimate medicine are not practicing chiropractic. They are under the banner of bad science and are administering genuine treatment. This makes the whole discipline a mine field for anyone who is after genuine care, because who knows who they might end up with?

I'm not saying that chiropractors are bad people [in general - I'm saying that chiropractic as a practice is bad science, but there are many chiropractors who also perform science-based functions. The whole thing is very confusing but as long as the quack chiropractors are around, why bother going to a chiropractor for real medicine?

 

[KK]

where's our resident quack, eits? I'm sure he's not going to be all too happy with your post.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
And BTW, please someone defend Homeopathy. That's a fun pseudo-science.

It's my favourite But probably best to leave that to another thread. Oh boy, what I could tell you about homeopathy. I have the distinct experience of having worked in a homeopathic "clinic" so I know a bit about what goes on in those places.

 

[ja1484]

I could say a lot of things from a weighty standpoint. Being in physical therapy, I've got plenty of educated, informed perspective on chiropractic.

That being said, you folks aren't worth the trouble. So there.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I have been operated on by MDs.3 times Who only made my life worse. chiropractors have never hurt me while bringing relief.

There are good and bad in all things. Just to many bad chasing $$$ . The true problem.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: ja1484
I could say a lot of things from a weighty standpoint. Being in physical therapy, I've got plenty of educated, informed perspective on chiropractic.

That being said, you folks aren't worth the trouble. So there.

I'd be interested in hearing your perspective, if you can be bothered.

 

[SsupernovaE]

Originally posted by: ja1484
I could say a lot of things from a weighty standpoint. Being in physical therapy, I've got plenty of educated, informed perspective on chiropractic.

That being said, you folks aren't worth the trouble. So there.

Oh come on, you know you want to.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
History cliffs
-- Chiropractic was invented in a single day based on a single incident by a single person
-- The inventor was a magnetic healer and spiritualist
-- Chiropractic gained huge political power and a crackpot leader

Does this mean Doctors are all frauds, because early history included leeches and blood letting?

No, all doctors who STILL practice blood letting is a fraud. Just like chiropractors who still use the "spinal subluxation" model of health are. So fine, maybe there are chiropractors out there who practice 100% science-based physical therapy, but in that case, why hitch your wagon to such obvious BS? Maybe because of the completely uncritical acceptance Chiropractic almost universally receives? Maybe because they've set up their own licensing process which bypasses medical licensing?

So you have no issue with there medicine, just the way they are governed?

Of the small minority who practice 100% evidence-based medicine, yes. But I do take issue with the employment of, not merely unproven, but highly implausible alternative medicine. Keep in mind that many chiropractors don't limit themselves to back-cracking. Many branch out into things like Homeopathy (magic water).

And BTW, please someone defend Homeopathy. That's a fun pseudo-science.

Candle scent and drinking magic water cured my cancer...don't hate

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
And BTW, please someone defend Homeopathy. That's a fun pseudo-science.

It's my favourite But probably best to leave that to another thread. Oh boy, what I could tell you about homeopathy. I have the distinct experience of having worked in a homeopathic "clinic" so I know a bit about what goes on in those places.

I'd actually be curious to hear more. Most of what I know about homeopathy I read in books like Voodoo Science. Do people genuinely believe in the "water memory" and other similar ideas?

 

[biggestmuff]

Uh, oh. MFL when you know who shows up.

 

[funkymatt]

My mother in law hooked my wife on this chiropractor. After I got into a car accident they basically forced me to go there saying it would make me feel better. all the dude did was crack my back and did some jaw alignment that hurt like hell. paid my bill and haven't been back. This dude gets my wife to buy expensive pills she never takes, i've since cracked down on it when i went into her cabinet for q-tips or something.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
And BTW, please someone defend Homeopathy. That's a fun pseudo-science.

It's my favourite But probably best to leave that to another thread. Oh boy, what I could tell you about homeopathy. I have the distinct experience of having worked in a homeopathic "clinic" so I know a bit about what goes on in those places.

I'd actually be curious to hear more. Most of what I know about homeopathy I read in books like Voodoo Science. Do people genuinely believe in the "water memory" and other similar ideas?

I think the placebo affect is what you see in homeopathy. People want to believe that magic water cures X, so it can happen.

JAMA. 1994 May 25;271(20):1609-14. Is an interesting study on it if you have access to a catalogue. There is another one that directly measures the brain in regards to placebo and pain meds, showing the brain creating its own pain suppression chemicals when it thought it was receiving pain medications. Also the reason why you give some people Tylenol and there headches are gone a few minutes later even though its impossible the drug hit there brain yet.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
And BTW, please someone defend Homeopathy. That's a fun pseudo-science.

It's my favourite But probably best to leave that to another thread. Oh boy, what I could tell you about homeopathy. I have the distinct experience of having worked in a homeopathic "clinic" so I know a bit about what goes on in those places.

I'd actually be curious to hear more. Most of what I know about homeopathy I read in books like Voodoo Science. Do people genuinely believe in the "water memory" and other similar ideas?

I think the placebo affect is what you see in homeopathy. People want to believe that magic water cures X, so it can happen.

JAMA. 1994 May 25;271(20):1609-14. Is an interesting study on it if you have access to a catalogue. There is another one that directly measures the brain in regards to placebo and pain meds, showing the brain creating its own pain suppression chemicals when it thought it was receiving pain medications. Also the reason why you give some people Tylenol and there headches are gone a few minutes later even though its impossible the drug hit there brain yet.

Faith healing Voodoo . It been said to work . Dam why is my faith so week.

 

[eits]

look, godless... you're holding on extremely strongly to your misinformed beliefs of chiropractic and where it's headed. as you can clearly see from a large number of people in this thread, it clearly works.

i'm not going to sit in this thread and explain to you how you're wrong on many fronts in the things you're saying and how you backpedal constantly. i'm not gonna argue with you about this because it'll be a huge waste of time.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
All I know is that this post is full of garbage. I also know that I didn't read a word of it.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: ja1484
I could say a lot of things from a weighty standpoint. Being in physical therapy, I've got plenty of educated, informed perspective on chiropractic.

That being said, you folks aren't worth the trouble. So there.

I'd be interested in hearing your perspective, if you can be bothered.

YG (long) PM.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: KK
where's our resident quack, eits? I'm sure he's not going to be all too happy with your post.

i'm not a quack, but excuse my absence from this thread. i've got a life to worry more about than some chump's successful attempts to make me roll my eyes and laugh.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: KK
where's our resident quack, eits? I'm sure he's not going to be all too happy with your post.

i'm not a quack, but excuse my absence from this thread. i've got a life to worry more about than some chump's successful attempts to make me roll my eyes and laugh.

Now that might just be a matter of opinion...

Howz skool? You should be about ready to gradjate by now...

Then you can put out your own shingle and become a full-blown quack...

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: KK
where's our resident quack, eits? I'm sure he's not going to be all too happy with your post.

i'm not a quack, but excuse my absence from this thread. i've got a life to worry more about than some chump's successful attempts to make me roll my eyes and laugh.

And you call yourself our forums chropractic expert. You can't give up so easy.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

I went to a chiro for neck pain. They told me to come off all my arthritis meds or I would die of liver failure, and that I had forward head posture syndrome, curable by daily applications of weights to my head and neck to strengthen the muscles and improve my posture.

The meds part alone was all I needed to hear. There's this whole thing about not being able to walk or use my hands that I kinda dislike. I told them to get lost and went to a real doctor.

I had a severely damaged C1/C2 (upper neck). If I'd used the weights prescribed to me, they could have damaged my spinal cord and caused very serious issues. I wound up getting a spinal fusion to fix the problem.

Holistic medicine isn't any good if it conflicts with regular medicine.

 

[nRollo]

The problem with chiropractors is they try to pretend their methods are "medecine" and that they're somehow worthy of MD-like wages.

If they were just honest and advertised themselves as a different kind of massage therapist (which is what they are) they wouldn't incur the stigma they have.

Does massage and back cracking make you feel better sometimes? Sure.

Does it cure actual physical ailments? No.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
I went to a chiro for neck pain. They told me to come off all my arthritis meds or I would die of liver failure, and that I had forward head posture syndrome, curable by daily applications of weights to my head and neck to strengthen the muscles and improve my posture.

The meds part alone was all I needed to hear. There's this whole thing about not being able to walk or use my hands that I kinda dislike. I told them to get lost and went to a real doctor.

I had a severely damaged C1/C2 (upper neck). If I'd used the weights prescribed to me, they could have damaged my spinal cord and caused very serious issues. I wound up getting a spinal fusion to fix the problem.

Holistic medicine isn't any good if it conflicts with regular medicine.

Ya I have some bulged disks from a motorcycle accident. Last time they flared up I tried a chiro. I don't think she did any harm, but it didn't really do any good.

They wanted to put you on the rack eh?

"Your spine hurts? We will try bowleotherapy! Let me get my bowling ball to drop on your strategic points which will re-align your shins and ears!"