They would if insurance paid for it, I would go somewhere every 2 weeks for a free massage covered by insurance.
yeah, basically, by cracking your own neck after you get it adjusted pretty much undoes what the chiropractor did. so, you'll keep ending up having to come into the clinic.
personally, i'm of the mindset of NOT having lifelong patients and not keeping people coming in for more than they need to. i figure that i, and my practice, would be better off treating them, making them happy, and having them say good things about me to other people. i'd rather have a high turnout rate of new patients treated than recurrent patients or what docs call "a closed practice".
that's not true. they're great for ongoing relief and treatment. the problem is, again, older chiropractors who don't update their treatment plan when what they're trying to accomplish isn't working the way it should. that chiropractor should have done a re-eval after about 4 weeks and re-x-rayed to note the progress made (or not). then, he can continue treatment accordingly.
more than likely, if the patient keeps having to come in and isn't getting much long lasting relief, it's not because of the chiropractor... it's because of the patient. if the patient doesn't keep up with their end of the bargain, they will have to keep coming in for only temporary relief. for example, if the chiro told him to lose weight because it's causing too much strain on his low back and your dad doesn't keep up with that, then he's gonna just keep having to come in and getting his low back adjusted. the doc can't lose weight for your dad.
it could be that your dad already had degeneration in his spine and the crash is what made it finally perceptible to him. degeneration is something that people come in and get treated for a long time... it's not one of those "adjust a couple months and you're back to normal" kinds of things. what prevents and slows the process of degeneration's progression is chiropractic care.
OutHouse
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i don't take insurance nor do i deal with the headache of workman's comp and most CMT's do not do either. Isurance companies are very strict when it comes to covering massage therapy. if it is covered it has to part of a physical therapy appointment prescribed by a MD.
dr150
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Chiropracters have helped my wife immensely.
She has a really stiff back which just gets stiffer at work sitting in the cube and thru stress (leading to muscle tension).
The stretching/cracking/massage helps lossen the back to where after 4-5 visits she's good to go for about 6+ months.
Docs may make fun of chriopractors (jealousy, IMO, b/c chiros are less intellectual, less schooled, and make bank), but they do help people like my wife immensely.....things that a Kaiser doc. wouldn't do or scoff at the idea of cracking backs.
She has a really stiff back which just gets stiffer at work sitting in the cube and thru stress (leading to muscle tension).
The stretching/cracking/massage helps lossen the back to where after 4-5 visits she's good to go for about 6+ months.
Docs may make fun of chriopractors (jealousy, IMO, b/c chiros are less intellectual, less schooled, and make bank), but they do help people like my wife immensely.....things that a Kaiser doc. wouldn't do or scoff at the idea of cracking backs.
moshquerade
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if a patient is in pain and isn't getting relief, they'll tell their doc... especially if their doc asks about whether or not they're feeling better than they did before. after a few weeks of seeing where they stand on a vas (visual analog scale... basically, pain on a scale of 1-10) during each visit, they'll be able to tell whether they're getting better or not. also, they should be doing some simple orthopedic tests at every treatment just to make sure, because sometimes patients forget to mention they're in pain or they don't realize it until the test is given.
quick sidenote:
everyone who's mentioned having an unlevel pelvis or sciatica, either quit carrying around a fat wallet in your back pocket OR get a wallet that is super slim and doesn't carry cash (like, a centimeter thin when it's full of cards).
everyone who's mentioned having an unlevel pelvis or sciatica, either quit carrying around a fat wallet in your back pocket OR get a wallet that is super slim and doesn't carry cash (like, a centimeter thin when it's full of cards).
moshquerade
No Lifer
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i would suggest not carrying any kind of wallet in your back pocket at all. a money clip in a front pocket should suffice.
About the Neck Pillow you suggested. I bought one a few weeks ago and hate it. I am a pretty large guy and the pillow just isn't high enough. My neck bends down to it. if I add a pillow then its too high. ARGH WTH! Any suggestions?
that's what i was talking about before... irritated nerve root. it's more than likely an l5-s1 nerve root irritation. it's sending a signal to your muscles to cramp up, except it's perceptible. it's more than likely due to your l5 being rotated slightly. very common and usually very easy to treat.
a lot of times, medical docs don't know how to treat problems where people have things that you can't find on lab tests or x-rays or nerve tests or anything. so, they send them to either a psychologist or psychiatrist. they figure that the patient either needs some kind of somatosensory medication or that the problem is all in their head. i've heard way too many stories like that... then, they come in to see a chiropractor after they've seen about 10 medical doctors and they're already about 70% better after the 3rd visit.
lots of doctors and therapists don't take insurance because of the bullshit they have to go through to be compensated for their treatment. insurance companies are ridiculously evil when it comes to compensating healthcare providers.
some do. some schedule after hours appointments and at-home appointments, but it costs a lot more.
bucwylde23
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I have one more question.
I have been having soreness in my wrist/fingers. I originally thought it might be carpal tunnel, but I went and got a nerve conduction test done and was told it most definitely was not carpel tunnel.
What type of things can a chiro do for that type of pain? It doesn't seem like there's quite as much that they can do like they can for back or neck pain.
Also, will the doctor charge more if I ask him about my wrist when I go in for my back? or is everything normally covered under the same price for a session?
I have been having soreness in my wrist/fingers. I originally thought it might be carpal tunnel, but I went and got a nerve conduction test done and was told it most definitely was not carpel tunnel.
What type of things can a chiro do for that type of pain? It doesn't seem like there's quite as much that they can do like they can for back or neck pain.
Also, will the doctor charge more if I ask him about my wrist when I go in for my back? or is everything normally covered under the same price for a session?
they're actually have a longer academic career than medical doctors. medical doctors have to go through 4 years of post-grad and chiropractic doctors have to go through 5.
Originally posted by: Deeko
haha out of curiosity I did this and found a REALLY tight/sore muscle, and although it doesn't hurt when I leave it alone, now I know its there and can't stop.
jerkstore.
haha see?
here's what you do to try fixing that... flex your wrist backwards to shorten the muscle. stick your opposite thumb into the muscle with your tension pointed UP THE MUSCLE towards the origin. then, slowly flex your wrist downward to elongate the shortened muscle while your opposite thumb is slowly tractioning up the belly of the muscle. it should hurt or be tender... do it about 5 times. make sure you flex your wrist slowly.
yup. when it's the only thing that people in pain have gone to that actually works and helps their problem, they'll pay out of pocket. people will pay to get out of pain and make the problem go away or slow down. pain pills can't do that.
yup, but some people are stuck in their old ways... they just can't not have a wallet in their back pocket. so, if they have to, they need to make sure that it's only about a cm thick when it's full.
Capt Caveman
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What kind of back cracking is the wrong way? In the past I've always had someone straddle my back and press down as I breath out. Recently I've been bench pressing and have found that my back cracks almost every time on the first rep (as I push the bar up and exhale).
which fingers are sore? depending on what fingers it is, i could help determine if the problem might be in your neck, shoulder, elbow, or muscular.
either way, it goes back to what i was saying about an irritated nerve... irritated nerves fire more, not less, and cause soreness and tightness. if you got a ncv test (nerve conduction velocity test), it will appear normal because there's nothing wrong with the way the nerve is firing. it's not being blocked.
the way you can tell if a nerve is being blocked is if you have numbness and tingling with a loss of strength.
a doc can charge more if the problem is in the arm joints and neck because it's one spinal segment and an extraspinal area. if the problem is in your neck, then it'll cost less. if you were my patient and i found that the problem was muscular or in your elbow or shoulder, i'd adjust the problem area and the neck. this goes back to that reflex arc or cycle i was talking about with the muscle memory issue.... the same kind of thing happens at the joint level extraspinally. if the problem was in your neck, though, i'd just adjust your neck and leave your arm alone.
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