Chiropractic Questions

[eits]

Originally posted by: apac
What kind of back cracking is the wrong way? In the past I've always had someone straddle my back and press down as I breath out. Recently I've been bench pressing and have found that my back cracks almost every time on the first rep (as I push the bar up and exhale).

unless the person pressing on your back knows the manner of the vertebral subluxation, you probably shouldn't rely on them to adjust you. the reason is because they aren't adjusting it... they're just popping it. that vertebra might be deviated in a certain way which requires a certain line of drive and contact that your buddy doesn't know how to do. it also takes a thrust and certain amount of force and speed in order to put motion through that motion segment.

personally, i know the subluxation that i typically get at t7, so i know how to treat it myself. sometimes, i get a retrolisthesis there, so i try and sit in a chair where the top of the back rest is at that level and i trust against the desk. it knocks that retro forward. however, my other segments aren't retro or that simple to adjust, so i get someone to adjust me.

i wouldn't recommend anyone who isn't a chiropractor or chiropractic student to do that... the reason is because the common person doesn't know the difference between one subluxation with another and the difference and how they're adjusted is very important.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid
Thanks, eits.

no problem, man

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Tobolo
About the Neck Pillow you suggested. I bought one a few weeks ago and hate it. I am a pretty large guy and the pillow just isn't high enough. My neck bends down to it. if I add a pillow then its too high. ARGH WTH! Any suggestions?

stick with the neck pillow. it might be uncomfortable for a while, but it could be just because your body's just been in the habit of poor posture. the discomfort will go away after a little bit... your body knows what to do in order to adapt.

how big are you? do you have sleep apnea?

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: chrisg22
I have one more question.

I have been having soreness in my wrist/fingers. I originally thought it might be carpal tunnel, but I went and got a nerve conduction test done and was told it most definitely was not carpel tunnel.

What type of things can a chiro do for that type of pain? It doesn't seem like there's quite as much that they can do like they can for back or neck pain.

Also, will the doctor charge more if I ask him about my wrist when I go in for my back? or is everything normally covered under the same price for a session?

which fingers are sore? depending on what fingers it is, i could help determine if the problem might be in your neck, shoulder, elbow, or muscular.

either way, it goes back to what i was saying about an irritated nerve... irritated nerves fire more, not less, and cause soreness and tightness. if you got a ncv test (nerve conduction velocity test), it will appear normal because there's nothing wrong with the way the nerve is firing. it's not being blocked.

the way you can tell if a nerve is being blocked is if you have numbness and tingling with a loss of strength.

a doc can charge more if the problem is in the arm joints and neck because it's one spinal segment and an extraspinal area. if the problem is in your neck, then it'll cost less. if you were my patient and i found that the problem was muscular or in your elbow or shoulder, i'd adjust the problem area and the neck. this goes back to that reflex arc or cycle i was talking about with the muscle memory issue.... the same kind of thing happens at the joint level extraspinally. if the problem was in your neck, though, i'd just adjust your neck and leave your arm alone.

It's usually the 3 fingers from my middle finger to my pinky. It's not really any wrist soreness, pretty much just in my hand on those 3 fingers.

Thanks for all the information man, I was actually thinking about the chiropractor this weekend and was debating whether to call or not. I've decided to go ahead and call today to set something up for this week.

 

[Tobolo]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Tobolo
About the Neck Pillow you suggested. I bought one a few weeks ago and hate it. I am a pretty large guy and the pillow just isn't high enough. My neck bends down to it. if I add a pillow then its too high. ARGH WTH! Any suggestions?

stick with the neck pillow. it might be uncomfortable for a while, but it could be just because your body's just been in the habit of poor posture. the discomfort will go away after a little bit... your body knows what to do in order to adapt.

how big are you? do you have sleep apnea?

I am 6'1 about 315lb. 22" from shoulder to shoulder. I have used it for 8 weeks now. Also, not sure what sleep apnea is.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: chrisg22
I have one more question.

I have been having soreness in my wrist/fingers. I originally thought it might be carpal tunnel, but I went and got a nerve conduction test done and was told it most definitely was not carpel tunnel.

What type of things can a chiro do for that type of pain? It doesn't seem like there's quite as much that they can do like they can for back or neck pain.

Also, will the doctor charge more if I ask him about my wrist when I go in for my back? or is everything normally covered under the same price for a session?

which fingers are sore? depending on what fingers it is, i could help determine if the problem might be in your neck, shoulder, elbow, or muscular.

either way, it goes back to what i was saying about an irritated nerve... irritated nerves fire more, not less, and cause soreness and tightness. if you got a ncv test (nerve conduction velocity test), it will appear normal because there's nothing wrong with the way the nerve is firing. it's not being blocked.

the way you can tell if a nerve is being blocked is if you have numbness and tingling with a loss of strength.

a doc can charge more if the problem is in the arm joints and neck because it's one spinal segment and an extraspinal area. if the problem is in your neck, then it'll cost less. if you were my patient and i found that the problem was muscular or in your elbow or shoulder, i'd adjust the problem area and the neck. this goes back to that reflex arc or cycle i was talking about with the muscle memory issue.... the same kind of thing happens at the joint level extraspinally. if the problem was in your neck, though, i'd just adjust your neck and leave your arm alone.

It's usually the 3 fingers from my middle finger to my pinky. It's not really any wrist soreness, pretty much just in my hand on those 3 fingers.

Thanks for all the information man, I was actually thinking about the chiropractor this weekend and was debating whether to call or not. I've decided to go ahead and call today to set something up for this week.

do your fingers go numb whenever you're on your phone for a while?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Tobolo

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Tobolo
About the Neck Pillow you suggested. I bought one a few weeks ago and hate it. I am a pretty large guy and the pillow just isn't high enough. My neck bends down to it. if I add a pillow then its too high. ARGH WTH! Any suggestions?

stick with the neck pillow. it might be uncomfortable for a while, but it could be just because your body's just been in the habit of poor posture. the discomfort will go away after a little bit... your body knows what to do in order to adapt.

how big are you? do you have sleep apnea?

I am 6'1 about 315lb. 22" from shoulder to shoulder. I have used it for 8 weeks now. Also, not sure what sleep apnea is.

sleep apnea = you stop breathing for periods of time while you sleep. it happens mainly to bigger people.

try and find a very flat, firm pillow and put it under the cervical pillow. see if that helps at all.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: eits

do your fingers go numb whenever you're on your phone for a while?

I don't *think* so... but they do get really sore when driving (holding the steering wheel) or using a mouse on the computer. Basically whenever I am grabbing something and holding on for an extended period of time.

 

[Scarpozzi]

So how do you become a chiropractor? Do you just send Sally Struthers a check and start seeing patients? You know I couldn't resist.

I believe in Physical Therapy more than Chiropractic Science.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: eits
there are a lot of misconceptions about chiropractic out there. i'd like to take this chance to open this thread and field questions you people might have.

there are bad chiropractors out there, unfortunately. some are honest to God quacks who're out there only for the money. they're the idiots who think things like upper neck adjustments will cure cancer and whatnot. the good news is that they are a dying breed. most of those people are the older chiropractors who don't know the newer research and avoid all things medical.

today's chiropractic physicians work hand-in-hand with medical doctors for lots of problems. they're being more integrated into today's healthcare and it's because chiropractic care actually does work.

anyways, please no trolling or thread-crapping. if you do, i'll just ignore it and notify a mod. only serious questions, please.



edit: by the way, most of the negative view of chiropractic came from the ama (american medical association). for years, they spread a bunch of negative propaganda about chiropractic. there was a supreme court case about it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...an_Medical_Association

:roll:

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: eits

do your fingers go numb whenever you're on your phone for a while?

I don't *think* so... but they do get really sore when driving (holding the steering wheel) or using a mouse on the computer. Basically whenever I am grabbing something and holding on for an extended period of time.

feel the muscles in your forearm... do you feel any tight or tender bands of muscle?

it sounds to me that the problem is your ulnar nerve is being irritated. it could be because the muscle and fascia are rubbing against the nerve at the forearm or that it's being rubbed against your elbow. if you came to my clinic, i'd adjust your neck and your elbow and i'd do some muscle release techniques for your forearm. i'd tell you to go home and ice your forearm muscles for 5 minutes on, 5 minutes off, 5 minutes on for like two times a night to reduce the inflammation.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: eits
there are a lot of misconceptions about chiropractic out there. i'd like to take this chance to open this thread and field questions you people might have.

there are bad chiropractors out there, unfortunately. some are honest to God quacks who're out there only for the money. they're the idiots who think things like upper neck adjustments will cure cancer and whatnot. the good news is that they are a dying breed. most of those people are the older chiropractors who don't know the newer research and avoid all things medical.

today's chiropractic physicians work hand-in-hand with medical doctors for lots of problems. they're being more integrated into today's healthcare and it's because chiropractic care actually does work.

anyways, please no trolling or thread-crapping. if you do, i'll just ignore it and notify a mod. only serious questions, please.



edit: by the way, most of the negative view of chiropractic came from the ama (american medical association). for years, they spread a bunch of negative propaganda about chiropractic. there was a supreme court case about it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...an_Medical_Association

:roll:

:roll:

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: jandrews
You appear to be someone who works in the field so frankly why would you be a source of information that should be trusted when your welfare is made in the industry? Anyway, I have never been to a chiropractor but my father had been in an accident and had gone to them for a few years. They gave him fleeting relief that usually lasted a few hours after a visit. Chiropractors are great for temporary relief just like massages but they are worthless for ongoing relief or treatment.

my clients would totally disagree with you, it works for them and have a better quality of life because of Chiro and Massage Therapy.

Doctor client relationships arent the best for testimonials. Patients often feel pressure to make their doctor feel like they are helping, I dont think that is an accurate sample.

it is when they tell you to your face with out asking i may add that they fell better, able to function better and to have a more normal life. also if i wasn't helping them they would not come back every 2 weeks for the past 3 years.

They would if insurance paid for it, I would go somewhere every 2 weeks for a free massage covered by insurance.

i don't take insurance nor do i deal with the headache of workman's comp and most CMT's do not do either. Isurance companies are very strict when it comes to covering massage therapy. if it is covered it has to part of a physical therapy appointment prescribed by a MD.

people pay out of pocket for every chiropratic visit !??!?!

Citrix is a massage therapist. I think you're confused.

I think I am, I thought he was a chiroprator...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
So how do you become a chiropractor? Do you just send Sally Struthers a check and start seeing patients? You know I couldn't resist.

I believe in Physical Therapy more than Chiropractic Science.

as i've stated in the thread, after undergrad, you go through 5 academic years of medical and chiropractic education. it's med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic. my total cost is a little under $100k (tuition, books, special techniques).

it might help if you knew a little something about chiropractic before you thought anything about it. that's why i made this thread. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Official ATOT Chiropractic Expert (Still in training, however)

Thanks for the chiropractic support, but isn't this a contradiction? ("expert" vs. "in training" )

Perhaps you can answer this tho. If I get my xrays from my chiropracter, how can I get them scanned to a computer image file?

Hes the expert on ATOT. However he is still in official training

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: buck
My back has started hurting and I went to a chiropractor to get it looked at. I basically got the song and dance that I needed to come in 15-30 min 2x a week for "a long time" as he put it.

I came in for a habitual cracking of my neck and spine

I got the 2x a week song and dance

-Basically, I come in, and they hook me up to an overpriced Sharper Image massaging machine for 20 minutes. (doesnt feel that great btw)
-Then "doc" comes in and tells me to do a dumb exercise each week (roll your neck back 1 visit, roll your neck forward next visit, pinch your shoulder blades next visit)
-Asks if I'd like a "spinal adjustment". Successful in "cracking" me 1/4 tries.


So, about 5 minutes of his time, 20 minutes on a gimmicky machine, and he manages to milk my insurance company out of 400$ per visit.

I could do that with 50$ at Sharper Image and 3 minutes on wikipedia...

That sounds about right. I had a pain in my neck once, and got that same song and dance. I think the quack got in trouble for insurance fraud. Serves the dipshit right.

:thumbsup: agreed, but only for the insurance fraud. not for the "song and dance"... you don't know the difference between a lateral flexion malposition and a luschka trauma or how to treat either of them. don't assume that you know more than someone who's had 5 years of medical and chiropractic education after they've already gotten their bachelor's degree.

I'm pretty sure the "song and dance" I got was baloney. I'm not saying that every quack out there is not legit. I'm not upset at the guy, because he seemed like a nice guy. I'm sure I would have felt different if he was actually milking me for cash instead of the insurance company. The reason I started going to him was that I had a pain in the neck where if I moved my head pretty much any way, it hurt like hell. I dont know what caused it, but I had gotten these episodes prior, not alot but some. This one hurt a hell of alot more, so I decide to go to the quack my wife was going to. He took me in, did some xrays, said something about my spine being out of align. He rubbed my neck. I don't recall if it helped at the time or not. I do know that the pain subsided within a day like they had in the past. After that day the guy kept making appointments, it was on gradual slow down schedule that fizzled out after about 2 months, it would have still been going on to this day if I didn't eventually cancel and had he not been found guilty. I didn't mind going because it was basically free, I think I had a $10 copay. Basically all the sessions after the first consisted of him rubbing my neck area and then taking a little vibrating beater thing that had two peaks, which he ran up and down my upper back. Then I got to fall asleep on a water jet type bed type thing for 20 or so minutes. This was about 5 years ago and I will admit that I haven't have an episode like that since. Was it from him, we'll never know.

PS. don't take the quack thing personally, I call everyone in the medical field a quack.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
So how do you become a chiropractor? Do you just send Sally Struthers a check and start seeing patients? You know I couldn't resist.

I believe in Physical Therapy more than Chiropractic Science.

as i've stated in the thread, after undergrad, you go through 5 academic years of medical and chiropractic education. it's med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic. my total cost is a little under $100k (tuition, books, special techniques).

it might help if you knew a little something about chiropractic before you thought anything about it. that's why i made this thread. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

The Sally Struthers thing was a joke.

I didn't realize that tuition was so high for such a program, but that makes a lot more sense when it comes to validity in insurance billing. I just wish medical programs would work more on ethics classes because the billing practices of most offices are somewhat corrupt to milk the insurance companies for more money. Ex. (scripting questions about things unrelated to the problem at hand for strict billing inflation)

What I was referring to with the PT versus Chiropractic comment was based on personal experience. I went to a Chiropractor after my PCP's recommendation once after a car accident. The referral sent me to someone who basically tried to do adjustments and more quick fixes on a regular basis with a $20 copay on my insurance. The Physical Therapist my doctor then sent me to when I wasn't happy with 2 weeks of Chiropractic treatments did Ultrasound therapy and gave me more valid exercises to do...there was only a $10 copay and within 3 visits I was already feeling a lot better thanks to the exercises and the work with the discs in my back that were out of alignment. The sleeping recommendations from the PT were completely oposite from the Chiropractor and they really made a big difference.

I'm not saying that Chiropractors don't do good work. It's just like any other specialist you see. Some are good and some don't need to be practicing. It only takes a few bad ones to ruin the reputation of the profession. (this happened to lawyers long ago)

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: buck
My back has started hurting and I went to a chiropractor to get it looked at. I basically got the song and dance that I needed to come in 15-30 min 2x a week for "a long time" as he put it.

I came in for a habitual cracking of my neck and spine

I got the 2x a week song and dance

-Basically, I come in, and they hook me up to an overpriced Sharper Image massaging machine for 20 minutes. (doesnt feel that great btw)
-Then "doc" comes in and tells me to do a dumb exercise each week (roll your neck back 1 visit, roll your neck forward next visit, pinch your shoulder blades next visit)
-Asks if I'd like a "spinal adjustment". Successful in "cracking" me 1/4 tries.


So, about 5 minutes of his time, 20 minutes on a gimmicky machine, and he manages to milk my insurance company out of 400$ per visit.

I could do that with 50$ at Sharper Image and 3 minutes on wikipedia...

That sounds about right. I had a pain in my neck once, and got that same song and dance. I think the quack got in trouble for insurance fraud. Serves the dipshit right.

:thumbsup: agreed, but only for the insurance fraud. not for the "song and dance"... you don't know the difference between a lateral flexion malposition and a luschka trauma or how to treat either of them. don't assume that you know more than someone who's had 5 years of medical and chiropractic education after they've already gotten their bachelor's degree.

I'm pretty sure the "song and dance" I got was baloney. I'm not saying that every quack out there is not legit. I'm not upset at the guy, because he seemed like a nice guy. I'm sure I would have felt different if he was actually milking me for cash instead of the insurance company. The reason I started going to him was that I had a pain in the neck where if I moved my head pretty much any way, it hurt like hell. I dont know what caused it, but I had gotten these episodes prior, not alot but some. This one hurt a hell of alot more, so I decide to go to the quack my wife was going to. He took me in, did some xrays, said something about my spine being out of align. He rubbed my neck. I don't recall if it helped at the time or not. I do know that the pain subsided within a day like they had in the past. After that day the guy kept making appointments, it was on gradual slow down schedule that fizzled out after about 2 months, it would have still been going on to this day if I didn't eventually cancel and had he not been found guilty. I didn't mind going because it was basically free, I think I had a $10 copay. Basically all the sessions after the first consisted of him rubbing my neck area and then taking a little vibrating beater thing that had two peaks, which he ran up and down my upper back. Then I got to fall asleep on a water jet type bed type thing for 20 or so minutes. This was about 5 years ago and I will admit that I haven't have an episode like that since. Was it from him, we'll never know.

PS. don't take the quack thing personally, I call everyone in the medical field a quack.

if a "quack" is legit, they're not a quack.

he used a chiropractic tool called a proadjuster. i personally don't like it, but some people swear by it. it's basically a little thing that taps at certain frequencies at various velocities and amplitudes to adjust the spine while it's in a neutral position. i'm pretty sure it's approved by the fda, but i'm not positive. i don't like it at all...

i'm pretty sure that the reason why you haven't had problems anymore were from your adjustments.

it seems like he went about the treatment pretty well... he was tapering off the number of treatments and you were seeing results. yeah, the insurance fraud is a definite strike against him, but as a doctor, it seems he did everything right.

chiropractic isn't an overnight thing. it not only takes a little bit of time for your body to adjust to it, but it takes the patient following through with what the doctor tells them to do (or not) in order to help with the treatment.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
So how do you become a chiropractor? Do you just send Sally Struthers a check and start seeing patients? You know I couldn't resist.

I believe in Physical Therapy more than Chiropractic Science.

as i've stated in the thread, after undergrad, you go through 5 academic years of medical and chiropractic education. it's med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic. my total cost is a little under $100k (tuition, books, special techniques).

it might help if you knew a little something about chiropractic before you thought anything about it. that's why i made this thread. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

The Sally Struthers thing was a joke.

I didn't realize that tuition was so high for such a program, but that makes a lot more sense when it comes to validity in insurance billing. I just wish medical programs would work more on ethics classes because the billing practices of most offices are somewhat corrupt to milk the insurance companies for more money. Ex. (scripting questions about things unrelated to the problem at hand for strict billing inflation)

What I was referring to with the PT versus Chiropractic comment was based on personal experience. I went to a Chiropractor after my PCP's recommendation once after a car accident. The referral sent me to someone who basically tried to do adjustments and more quick fixes on a regular basis with a $20 copay on my insurance. The Physical Therapist my doctor then sent me to when I wasn't happy with 2 weeks of Chiropractic treatments did Ultrasound therapy and gave me more valid exercises to do...there was only a $10 copay and within 3 visits I was already feeling a lot better thanks to the exercises and the work with the discs in my back that were out of alignment. The sleeping recommendations from the PT were completely oposite from the Chiropractor and they really made a big difference.

I'm not saying that Chiropractors don't do good work. It's just like any other specialist you see. Some are good and some don't need to be practicing. It only takes a few bad ones to ruin the reputation of the profession. (this happened to lawyers long ago)

go back and read the post i made talking about the relationship with muscles that are in spasm and vertebral subluxations. if the chipractor you had just adjusted the vertebrae and didn't give attention to the muscles at all, he was crap. you have to treat both together and give the patient home exercises so they can continue treatment even after they leave the office.

if you came into my clinic, i would not adjust you until i was sure your muscles and tendons have had enough time to heal enough so the adjustment would be beneficial (about 2-3 days). i'd probably increase the healing by doing some muscle release techniques and i'd use cold laser and ultrasound therapy (yes, we use them... it's not just physical therapists).

 

[ScottFern]

etis, I think your right. I have all the symptoms of Piriformis Syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piriformis_syndrome

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: ScottFern
etis, I think your right. I have all the symptoms of Piriformis Syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piriformis_syndrome

do you have point tenderness at your greater trochanter? it's the part at the top of your femur bone that sticks out. when you walk a lot, does that click or pop and feel tender?

if you have a gf or wife or someone who you wouldn't mind touching your butt for a quick second, do this: lie down on your stomach and have them stick their thumb in the buttcheek on the side that hurts. see if you feel any tenderness when they do that.

http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/pPiriformisTPs.gif the big red spot is the area where they should press... except it should be a little more towards the midline than in the picture.

i'm not sure you have piriformis syndrome... what you told me doesn't sound like piriformis syndrome more than just an irritated nerve root. you might have piriformis syndrome on top of that, though... that's very possible.

edit: the wiki says that treatment is anti-inflammatory drug injections and sometimes surgery. lame. try chiropractic and massage therapy together first. wtf would an injection do? talk about quick fixes. an injection isn't going to fix the reason why it's inflamed and irritated in the first place. neither will surgery.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
So how do you become a chiropractor? Do you just send Sally Struthers a check and start seeing patients? You know I couldn't resist.

I believe in Physical Therapy more than Chiropractic Science.

as i've stated in the thread, after undergrad, you go through 5 academic years of medical and chiropractic education. it's med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic. my total cost is a little under $100k (tuition, books, special techniques).

it might help if you knew a little something about chiropractic before you thought anything about it. that's why i made this thread. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

No, no it's not. What did you make on the MCAT? Oh, that's right, you didn't have to take it. Well, what did you make on step I, II, and III? Didn't take those either? Hmmmmm. How can you say that chiropractic school is med school + chiropractic stuff when you've never been in med school? it might help if you knew a little something about medicine before you thought anything about it. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

Comparing Admissions Requirements of Med/Chiropractic schools
I especially like: "Compared to getting into medical school, matriculating to chiropractic school is a breeze. Only two years of undergraduate pre-requisites are needed with passing grades in the required courses. Many chiropractors have taken their basic science pre-reqs at schools that offer special 6-weekend courses in each.

Chiropractic schools on the other hand aren't so picky. They don't care who you are or what your motivation is. If you can obtain the minimum requirements and pay the tuition, you're in.

Here's what some chiropractors have to say about this situation:

? low entrance GPA requirement guarantees that chiropractors are the dumbest of all health care providers. [6]

Chiropractic schools are essentially trade schools, tuition dependent, and generally can not afford to be picky about choosing who's admitted. And because the schools require the tuition to remain open, they also can't afford to LOSE anyone, who, even at a chiropractic school, is below par. [7]

Chiropractic students STILL argue about why they have to take all this "medical stuff?" [7]

Of course, this low minimum standard does not mean that someone of superior intellect and abilities won't be part of the class. It just means there will be a lot of mediocre (or worse) doctors of chiropractic being turned loose to "practice" on the public."

You seem intent on convincing the world that you're a doctor, when you're not. (This is common in chiropractors). "med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic" Nope. "Chiropractic physicians"? Uhhhhh, sorry. Chiropractor =/ Physician. In fact, Chiropractor ~ Physical Therapist.

There are good chiropractors out there. I've worked with some. Key difference is they know they're not M.D.'s. They know their limits. They admit that they're closer to PT's than doctors. It's the quacks that think that they're physicians that claim you can cure a cold with an alignment.

Oh yeah, eits, how often you use that stethoscope you use as an avatar? Thought so.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
So how do you become a chiropractor? Do you just send Sally Struthers a check and start seeing patients? You know I couldn't resist.

I believe in Physical Therapy more than Chiropractic Science.

as i've stated in the thread, after undergrad, you go through 5 academic years of medical and chiropractic education. it's med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic. my total cost is a little under $100k (tuition, books, special techniques).

it might help if you knew a little something about chiropractic before you thought anything about it. that's why i made this thread. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

No, no it's not. What did you make on the MCAT? Oh, that's right, you didn't have to take it. Well, what did you make on step I, II, and III? Didn't take those either? Hmmmmm. How can you say that chiropractic school is med school + chiropractic stuff when you've never been in med school? it might help if you knew a little something about medicine before you thought anything about it. you might want to read through it before you make ignorant assumptions.

Comparing Admissions Requirements of Med/Chiropractic schools
I especially like: "Compared to getting into medical school, matriculating to chiropractic school is a breeze. Only two years of undergraduate pre-requisites are needed with passing grades in the required courses. Many chiropractors have taken their basic science pre-reqs at schools that offer special 6-weekend courses in each.

Chiropractic schools on the other hand aren't so picky. They don't care who you are or what your motivation is. If you can obtain the minimum requirements and pay the tuition, you're in.

Here's what some chiropractors have to say about this situation:

? low entrance GPA requirement guarantees that chiropractors are the dumbest of all health care providers. [6]

Chiropractic schools are essentially trade schools, tuition dependent, and generally can not afford to be picky about choosing who's admitted. And because the schools require the tuition to remain open, they also can't afford to LOSE anyone, who, even at a chiropractic school, is below par. [7]

Chiropractic students STILL argue about why they have to take all this "medical stuff?" [7]

Of course, this low minimum standard does not mean that someone of superior intellect and abilities won't be part of the class. It just means there will be a lot of mediocre (or worse) doctors of chiropractic being turned loose to "practice" on the public."

You seem intent on convincing the world that you're a doctor, when you're not. (This is common in chiropractors). "med school, basically, but you also learn chiropractic" Nope. "Chiropractic physicians"? Uhhhhh, sorry. Chiropractor =/ Physician. In fact, Chiropractor ~ Physical Therapist.

There are good chiropractors out there. I've worked with some. Key difference is they know they're not M.D.'s. They know their limits. They admit that they're closer to PT's than doctors. It's the quacks that think that they're physicians that claim you can cure a cold with an alignment.

Oh yeah, eits, how often you use that stethoscope you use as an avatar? Thought so.

first off, thanks for posting a link to some random guy's blog from missouri :laugh: not biased at all. he even says that he's no expert on anything he talks about.

secondly, i use my stethoscope every physical exam or with every patient who has high blood pressure or bronchitis... why do you ask? why wouldn't i?

also, i did take the mcats. i did go to med school for a semester and i didn't like the lack of education i felt i got... plus, i didn't like the feeling of not being able to do anything for patients other than either telling them to take some sort of pill or perform surgery (if i wanted to end up going that route).

there's a lot more to being a doctor than being able to write a prescription or saving lives. gp's hardly save lives on a day to day basis. when they need to, they refer out to someone who can save the patient's life if there are red flags... just like most chiropractors. for me, being a doctor is about treating patients for things that ail the and making them better as well as teaching them how to keep it from happening. the root of the word "doctor" comes from the greek word for "teacher". it's not JUST about having "m.d." behind your name or being able to write a prescription to cover up symptoms of a problem.

chiropractic students read the same text books and take the same courses as med students.

i have only taken national boards part i and ii so far... i take part iii next trimester and part iv the following trimester.

also:

http://www.chiropracticresearc...NEWSchiroeduaction.htm
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_school

also, please respect my requests to not crap on the thread or troll. if you feel like crapping, go ahead and pm me. otherwise, kindly don't post.

thanks

 

[ScottFern]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: ScottFern
etis, I think your right. I have all the symptoms of Piriformis Syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piriformis_syndrome

do you have point tenderness at your greater trochanter? it's the part at the top of your femur bone that sticks out. when you walk a lot, does that click or pop and feel tender?

if you have a gf or wife or someone who you wouldn't mind touching your butt for a quick second, do this: lie down on your stomach and have them stick their thumb in the buttcheek on the side that hurts. see if you feel any tenderness when they do that.

http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/pPiriformisTPs.gif the big red spot is the area where they should press... except it should be a little more towards the midline than in the picture.

i'm not sure you have piriformis syndrome... what you told me doesn't sound like piriformis syndrome more than just an irritated nerve root. you might have piriformis syndrome on top of that, though... that's very possible.

edit: the wiki says that treatment is anti-inflammatory drug injections and sometimes surgery. lame. try chiropractic and massage therapy together first. wtf would an injection do? talk about quick fixes. an injection isn't going to fix the reason why it's inflamed and irritated in the first place. neither will surgery.

I have had massages and when they push on that exact spot I do feel some relative relief compared to how I feel say in the morning. I know I definitely have pain behind my knee cap, and that butt muscle definitely feels tight and agitated. I stretched my leg a little bit during lunch and my leg feels a little relief as well.

When I was reading the symptoms of Piriformis I knew right away that was the exact condition I had. My gluts are inactive, I have pain behind my knee, I sit at a computer all day, I rarely stretch or exercise. I think all these are contributing to my pain in my right leg and it just seemed to fit.

It's just my right leg, the nerves like you said are sending impulses to my muscles to tighten, its a dull knot like pain and my leg on rare occasions tingles. I highly doubt its my spine as I have never had a spinal injury or defect.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: ScottFern

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: ScottFern
etis, I think your right. I have all the symptoms of Piriformis Syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piriformis_syndrome

do you have point tenderness at your greater trochanter? it's the part at the top of your femur bone that sticks out. when you walk a lot, does that click or pop and feel tender?

if you have a gf or wife or someone who you wouldn't mind touching your butt for a quick second, do this: lie down on your stomach and have them stick their thumb in the buttcheek on the side that hurts. see if you feel any tenderness when they do that.

http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/pPiriformisTPs.gif the big red spot is the area where they should press... except it should be a little more towards the midline than in the picture.

i'm not sure you have piriformis syndrome... what you told me doesn't sound like piriformis syndrome more than just an irritated nerve root. you might have piriformis syndrome on top of that, though... that's very possible.

edit: the wiki says that treatment is anti-inflammatory drug injections and sometimes surgery. lame. try chiropractic and massage therapy together first. wtf would an injection do? talk about quick fixes. an injection isn't going to fix the reason why it's inflamed and irritated in the first place. neither will surgery.

I have had massages and when they push on that exact spot I do feel some relative relief compared to how I feel say in the morning. I know I definitely have pain behind my knee cap, and that butt muscle definitely feels tight and agitated. I stretched my leg a little bit during lunch and my leg feels a little relief as well.

When I was reading the symptoms of Piriformis I knew right away that was the exact condition I had. My gluts are inactive, I have pain behind my knee, I sit at a computer all day, I rarely stretch or exercise. I think all these are contributing to my pain in my right leg and it just seemed to fit.

It's just my right leg, the nerves like you said are sending impulses to my muscles to tighten, its a dull knot like pain and my leg on rare occasions tingles. I highly doubt its my spine as I have never had a spinal injury or defect.

well, then, it sounds like you very well might have piriformis syndrome. some quick orthopedic exams and palpations can be done to know for sure and treat it.

piriformis syndrome mainly comes from distortions in the spine... the sacrum, actually. you don't need to have had an injury in order to get piriformis syndrome... many things can cause it: a short leg, a rocked back ilium, a subluxated sacrum, improper nerve messages to the piriformis, etc.

a misconception is that if you never hurt your back, then your back is fine. that's not the case. the way you walk, sit, sleep, live affects your spine. you don't need to be injured in order to need to see a chiropractor.