Originally posted by: Ozoned
WTF, is this pick on0roo0roo day?
Sheesh, by the way people are acting, you would think that he shook Bush's hand or something.
He did something even worse - supporting Israel.
He did something even worse - supporting Israel.
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Ozoned
WTF, is this pick on0roo0roo day?
Sheesh, by the way people are acting, you would think that he shook Bush's hand or something.
He did something even worse - supporting Israel.
Yeah, that's why people apparently picked on him, not because there's a massive double standard when it comes to European countries or politics on this forum. :roll:
I dont understand you, while this constitution was certainly no great shot, it was at least trying to end or at least improve the very things you validly critisize about the EU. However now that it is rejected one should hope for the crafting of a better (simpler) one instead of jumping in joy about the perpetuation of the undemocratic slow moving and detached from the ppl decision process of the EU.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Ozoned
WTF, is this pick on0roo0roo day?
Sheesh, by the way people are acting, you would think that he shook Bush's hand or something.
He did something even worse - supporting Israel.
Yeah, that's why people apparently picked on him, not because there's a massive double standard when it comes to European countries or politics on this forum. :roll:
I believe that if any other member had opened such a thread, then Infohawk (and others) would have responded in a different manner. I could be wrong though... but I shouldn't be replying to P&N threads anyway, so you might as well ignore my former post. thank you.
True, what our founders were undertaking was a fragile enterprise. Nor did the U.S. Constitution have a 100% vote of confidence from the populace, at least not at the beginning when the government was determining just who the populace was. And vice-versa.
Really, the circumstances are quite different, i.e. a country just coming to grips with its fledgling existence, and another stable, modern, prosperous nation... Meanwhile, the US and the EU constitutions are about as similar as the American and French Revolutions: not at all. The American Constitution was designed to unite a people around a set of economic, social and legal principles, based on common law, derived from natural law, and only applicable to that nation. The whole affair, though some Americans may loathe to admit it, was very British.
The American colonists were reaffirming their proper British values, not some abstract set of ideas.The EU Constitution is trying to unite, count them, twenty-six nations, around...around...an administration in Brussels and Strasbourg, run by self-appointed bureaucrats. Around the principles of Common Market? Nope, they've had that for many many years without the need for additional red tape. They're trying to unite nations that are far too different, without similar pasts, ultimately a haphazard, silly task. But that's my opinion.
Besides, your analogy is flawed. US Constitution was being ratified by states to unite a nation. EU Constitution is being ratified by nations to unite a continent. Logically, you cannot compare France to the US, not in this context. Rather, you have to compare this "exit poll" to how New York's, Pennsylvania's or Virginia's voters felt about the US Constitution.
Cheers,
Mike
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
? chirac is a nice guy?
last i remember he was best friends with saddam along with rummy and co
I personally have nothing against Chirac, never heard anything about him being in a conspiracy with Saddam. All i heard is that his country is in economic trouble, adn that people in france don't like him. Which is understandable, but stupid.
I haven't read this EU Consitution.
Did the U.S. draft it up?
Wouldn't it just be easier for the U.S. to annex Europe??? <Shrugs>
Did the U.S. draft it up?
Wouldn't it just be easier for the U.S. to annex Europe??? <Shrugs>
Thanks, Interesting.
Looks like it would lump most of the Euro Countries into one Nation like the U.S. with each Country becoming a State and one giant Budget like the U.S.
Well so far France is not into becoming U.S. II
They haven't finished voting yet. Normally they get two chances for voting. After that, they find another solution.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What? France will put the same thing they just voted down up for vote again???
haha, i know it's stupid, but afaik that's what's gonna hapen, i mean, i think it's silly, but i understand it. It's something about giving them a chance to repent. That's what happened to denmark i believe. Ofcourse, it might not happen. But if it does, it'll be in a year or so.
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Trente
Originally posted by: Ozoned
WTF, is this pick on0roo0roo day?
Sheesh, by the way people are acting, you would think that he shook Bush's hand or something.
He did something even worse - supporting Israel.
Yeah, that's why people apparently picked on him, not because there's a massive double standard when it comes to European countries or politics on this forum. :roll:
no, its true, the people who zealously demonize israel rather don't like people who actually have the temerity to oppose em
and the others are just humorless.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What? France will put the same thing they just voted down up for vote again???
This procedure is by no means traditional, but it happened twice before regarding other EU treaties (in Denmark and Ireland). It may happen in France, too, but the French administration didn't announce it until now.
One has to realize that the PM of France was quite unpopular and the vote was a reflection of that. That's why he submitted his resignation today. On the other hand, many French voters think that the new constitution gives too much power to corporations and unelected bureaucrats, and voted accordingly.
The voter statistics is also very interesting. Both the communists and the far right (Le Pen's party) voted overwhelmingly (96%!) NON. On the other hand, the moderate left and right voted OUI by a small margin.
So apparently 0roo0roo will celebrate together with the communists and Le Pen, allegedly a virulent anti-semite and racist.
The voter statistics is also very interesting. Both the communists and the far right (Le Pen's party) voted overwhelmingly (96%!) NON. On the other hand, the moderate left and right voted OUI by a small margin.
So apparently 0roo0roo will celebrate together with the communists and Le Pen, allegedly a virulent anti-semite and racist.
So...let me get this straight...non-Americans on this forum NEVER discuss the US, or American presidential elections, or politics? And the EU constitution has nothing to do with a British citizen?
Don't you get the news where you live?
no it won't die, but it will not be adopted either until all 25 countries ratify it.
go Frogs...!!!
there is a clause in the constition that states that something or something else will happen if only 5 do not ratify it
Good news.
If nothing else, this will benefit the opponents of this constitution in other countries, among them Sweden.
Out prime minister doesn't want a vote, especially not after the Swedish people said a decisive no to the Euro.
After this, it'll be political suicide not to have a vote about it, and with an election coming up in 2006, I doubt many parties will wanna upset the voters too much such a short time before.
It doesn't happen often, but once in a while I actually like le frogs.
If nothing else, this will benefit the opponents of this constitution in other countries, among them Sweden.
Out prime minister doesn't want a vote, especially not after the Swedish people said a decisive no to the Euro.
After this, it'll be political suicide not to have a vote about it, and with an election coming up in 2006, I doubt many parties will wanna upset the voters too much such a short time before.
It doesn't happen often, but once in a while I actually like le frogs.
Hmmmmm we'll see about that. The Dutch crushed it today:
6-1-2005 Dutch Voters Reject EU Constitution
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Dutch voters overwhelmingly rejected the European Union constitution Wednesday, delivering what could be a knockout blow for the charter roundly defeated just days ago by France.
Opponents said they feared the Netherlands, a nation of 16 million people, would be overwhelmed by a European superstate even though the Dutch pay more per capita than any other country into the collective EU kitty.
Others were concerned a strengthened Europe could force the liberal Dutch to scrap policies such as tolerating marijuana use, prostitution and euthanasia.
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