Chinese frigate locked radar on Japanese navy vessel

[CLite]

China already beat the US in innovation. Just look at LTE/4G. A certain company had to beg politicians to hinder competition.

You could not be further from the truth. I work in the engineering field with China and they are very much a copy-cat culture. They do not intuitavely understand the technologies they buy intellectual rights to. I have a family member in the software industry and she has faced similar issues. You attempt to train simple fundamentals over and over again and all they want is a paper justifying it so they may carbon-copy it without truly grasping the underlying principles.

China realizes their innovation is horrendous and they are desperately trying to develop innovators, there was actually a good Times article about it.

This is certainly not me chearleading the USA, it's just that China is probably near dead-last in ground breaking innovations and having a free-thinking inventive culture, at least among first world countries.

 

[OverVolt]

China and America are rather codependant. One can mutually assured destruction of the other through economic means.

Anyway in Japan vs China. Japan has a zombie economy and so China has the better posturing. Poor Japan.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Neither China or Japan want their currency to be the "go to" currency. Japan had the opportunity and was invited to do so but declined, fearing an appreciating yen would hurt its export sector. China learned from that as well. These countries want to sell as much stuff to the rest of the world without the drawbacks of currency fluctuations and responsibility.

Sorry but you are misinformed especially in regards to China and its ambitions to over take the dollar as THE world reserve currency of choice. However this isn't a short term plan but a calculated long term desire by them because it makes logical sense for them to supplant the dollar if they want to be considered a super power and rival to the US and other western powers in the future. Whether they (China) succeed or not is still up in the air but this plan has been talked about and implemented by China since early 2009 when they realized their economic vulnerability lay with how closely their currency is tied to the US dollar and the US which they view as a declining power. Furthermore the ongoing issues with Japan and China may be indirectly related and linked to the Japanese desire to try to resuscitate their economy right now at the expense of China's long term goals and current status as the major exporter in Asia.

2012

http://business.time.com/2012/07/02/china-takes-a-step-to-make-the-yuan-a-rival-to-the-dollar/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-04/china-challenge-us-dollar-reserve-currency-status

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444270404577607493100772000.html

http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2012/05/29/video-yuan-and-yen-ditch-dollar/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577496233362694486.html

2011

http://www.spiegel.de/international...plans-path-to-economic-hegemony-a-741303.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/business/global/china-and-japan-in-currency-agreement.html?_r=0

http://www.economist.com/node/17959580

2010

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/26/us-china-economy-decoupling-idUSTRE69P0XH20101026

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-russia-currency-agreement-further-threatens-us-dollar-248338

2009

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123780272456212885.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ts-new-global-currency-to-replace-dollar.html

 

[OverVolt]

China is bluffing anyway. Its like having the USSR be the keeper of the world reserve currency. Dictatorships aren't stable for more than 50-100 years.

 

[Dari]

Sorry but you are misinformed especially in regards to China and its ambitions to over take the dollar as THE world reserve currency of choice. However this isn't a short term plan but a calculated long term desire by them because it makes logical sense for them to supplant the dollar if they want to be considered a super power and rival to the US and other western powers in the future. Whether they (China) succeed or not is still up in the air but this plan has been talked about and implemented by China since early 2009 when they realized their economic vulnerability lay with how closely their currency is tied to the US dollar and the US which they view as a declining power. Furthermore the ongoing issues with Japan and China may be indirectly related and linked to the Japanese desire to try to resuscitate their economy right now at the expense of China's long term goals and current status as the major exporter in Asia.

2012

http://business.time.com/2012/07/02/china-takes-a-step-to-make-the-yuan-a-rival-to-the-dollar/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-04/china-challenge-us-dollar-reserve-currency-status

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444270404577607493100772000.html

http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2012/05/29/video-yuan-and-yen-ditch-dollar/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577496233362694486.html

2011

http://www.spiegel.de/international...plans-path-to-economic-hegemony-a-741303.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/business/global/china-and-japan-in-currency-agreement.html?_r=0

http://www.economist.com/node/17959580

2010

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/26/us-china-economy-decoupling-idUSTRE69P0XH20101026

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-russia-currency-agreement-further-threatens-us-dollar-248338

2009

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123780272456212885.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ts-new-global-currency-to-replace-dollar.html

You're reading too much into the headlines. Look at their ambitions and look at their objectives. There is a dichotomy there so large you can drive a planet through it. It's almost as if there are two different views at work. This is not surprising considering this is China and one group will have to lose. For example, if China wants it currency to be more readily available it will have to be readily convertible and it will have to get rid of capital controls. Third, its stock exchange will have to be fixed from top to bottom to stop the rampant insider trading. Yeah, all these may be 'long-term' goals but this is China we're talking about. The country's government love to micro-manage their economy for political, social, and economic reasons. Also, the country is ruled by clans. And those clans have vested interests. The rule of law does not work in a place like that. So, yeah, their goals will be undermined by their own culture. China will never be an open society like Japan or the West. In order to do that, the Chinese government will have to destroy itself.

So, just like China, from Shanghai's skylines, or its heavy rules books or its constitution or materialism, looks like a modern nation, the dead hand of the state and its vested interest will make sure it does not open up enough to replace the United States' dollar as the world premier currency.

 

[DesiPower]

China and America are rather codependant. One can mutually assured destruction of the other through economic means.

Anyway in Japan vs China. Japan has a zombie economy and so China has the better posturing. Poor Japan.

but that's not stoping them from fighting the all out cyber war with us!

 

[blankslate]

The major factor was the financial crisis. They saw us as weak and that this was their opportunity. Obama kissing their ass only exacerbated this view with his slavish attitude towards them. Of course, he realized his mistake and changed tune but, by then, it was too late.

As if our current financial situation with China all of a sudden occured only after 2009? Get real.

 

[Dari]

As if our current financial situation with China all of a sudden occured only after 2009? Get real.

Bush was a man China feared. Obama? Not so much...

 

[blankslate]

Bush was a man China feared. Obama? Not so much...

Now you are either trolling or just that stupid.

 

[Dari]

Now you are either trolling or just that stupid.

Prove me wrong. Please. A man who starts two wars is to be feared. Iran feared Bush. They were willing to make a deal over their nuclear program after he invaded Iraq. Obama? They laughed and had tea.

 

[blankslate]

Prove me wrong. Please. A man who starts two wars is to be feared. Iran feared Bush. They were willing to make a deal over their nuclear program after he invaded Iraq. Obama? They laughed and had tea.

The thing is those two wars coupled with tax cuts didn't really help the financial situation at all. One war was arguable justified because Bin Laden was in Afghanistan. Why divert personnel from that effort when intelligence actually had a good idea where he was at the time?

Not only that but increasing the debt unnecessarily by invading Iraq and letting Bin Laden slip out of Afghanistan just made it necessary to have to borrow more from China.

Contrary to what you believe some experts think that Iran accelerated their research because they don't want to be invaded like Iraq was. Remember Iran, N. Korea, and Iraq were lumped together as the "Axis of Evil"

Iraq which didn't have nuclear weapons? Invaded.

North Korea who has at least a few? Not invaded.

Iran... racing to get at least a breakout capability. That is the ability to build a weapon quickly if threatened.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...ld-happen-if-Iran-had-the-bomb-video/(page)/2

Yet analysts and diplomats note that Iran does have many reasons to develop at least a "breakout" capability – the ability to assemble a bomb quickly should it want to.

Tehran has watched modern history unfold around it and no doubt has drawn its own conclusions. Acquiring nuclear weapons helped preserve regimes in North Korea and Pakistan, for instance. But in Iraq and Libya, two nonnuclear countries, Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi were deposed.
The Iranian media, in fact, tut-tutted last year that Mr. Qaddafi's fatal error was relinquishing his secret nuclear weapons program in 2004.

"If I was an Iranian national security planner, I would want nuclear weapons," Bruce Riedel, a 30-year veteran of the CIA now at the Brookings Institution in Washington, said in January.

"Look at the neighborhood that I live in: Everyone else has nuclear weapons who matters; and those who don't, don't matter, and get invaded by the United States of America," Mr. Riedel said on a panel hosted by the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.

I reiterate... you're either trolling or just really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

 

[blankslate]

China does this routinely; they've done it to many US warplanes and a few warships as well. I don't think it means they want war so much as they want to discourage new ventures in the area. They're probably looking at taking more land in a couple decades, which will be considerably easier if there aren't new oil wells, gas wells, development, etc. Making the area seem dangerous is a good way to discourage development and therefore give nations like Japan less incentive to go to war to protect their outlying lands if China ever does make a move.

This also reminds me of U.S. and Soviet subs playing hide and seek during the cold war.

 

[Dari]

The thing is those two wars coupled with tax cuts didn't really help the financial situation at all. One war was arguable justified because Bin Laden was in Afghanistan. Why divert personnel from that effort when intelligence actually had a good idea where he was at the time?

Not only that but increasing the debt unnecessarily by invading Iraq and letting Bin Laden slip out of Afghanistan just made it necessary to have to borrow more from China.

Contrary to what you believe some experts think that Iran accelerated their research because they don't want to be invaded like Iraq was. Remember Iran, N. Korea, and Iraq were lumped together as the "Axis of Evil"

Iraq which didn't have nuclear weapons? Invaded.

North Korea who has at least a few? Not invaded.

Iran... racing to get at least a breakout capability. That is the ability to build a weapon quickly if threatened.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...ld-happen-if-Iran-had-the-bomb-video/(page)/2


I reiterate... you're either trolling or just really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Were you born yesterday?

link

In May 2003, shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, elements of the Iranian government of Mohammad Khatami made a confidential proposal for a "Grand Bargain" through Swiss diplomatic channels. It offered full transparency of Iran's nuclear program and withdrawal of support for Hamas and Hezbollah, in exchange for security assurances from the United States and a normalization of diplomatic relations. The Bush Administration did not respond to the proposal, as senior U.S. officials doubted its authenticity. The proposal reportedly was widely blessed by the Iranian government, including Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamanei.[84][85][86]

 

[blankslate]

Were you born yesterday?

Are you an ass? Iran is thought to be rather close to learning how to assemble a functional weapon. Nothing Bush did stopped that. He may have had an opportunity. But he apparently was as dumb as you because he didn't stop them.

They wanted concessions. Reasonable concessions some would say. In case you didn't understand what you quoted

It offered full transparency of Iran's nuclear program and withdrawal of support for Hamas and Hezbollah, in exchange for security assurances from the United States and a normalization of diplomatic relations.

Transparency for security assurances... is another way of saying, as long as the U.S. stopped talking like Iran was an enemy and made assurances about not attacking them Iran would let people see what was happening with the Iranian Nuclear program.



However, President Bush either was too stupid to pursue that opportunity or didn't give a damn...

The lack of response meant that Iran would have to assure their own security from attack so they did...

And you praise that because it was "tough."? What an ignorant foolish position to take.

 

[Agent11]

People that claim the US is dependent on China make me laugh. The current situation was not always the way of things, and it does not need to be permanent.

If China attacks Japan the US will sink what ships they have, destroy what air force they have and bomb their cities to rubble.

 

[blankslate]

People that claim the US is dependent on China make me laugh. The current situation was not always the way of things, and it does not need to be permanent.

If China attacks Japan the US will sink what ships they have, destroy what air force they have and bomb their cities to rubble.

The U.S. and China are frenemies pretty much. They have opposing goals in some areas but enough people in both the U.S. and China are getting rich with the current relationship that an actual hot war is unlikely unless someone really screws the pooch.

 

[Dari]

The U.S. and China are frenemies pretty much. They have opposing goals in some areas but enough people in both the U.S. and China are getting rich with the current relationship that an actual hot war is unlikely unless someone really screws the pooch.

China is not America's friend. You are dumb.

 

[Svnla]

Funny how China is acting tough but a few months ago, Russian Navy shot to death a few Chinese poachers and China/Chinese would not dare to say a word. Nothing in the media, nothing online. Not a peep.

 

[Dari]

Funny how China is acting tough but a few months ago, Russian Navy shot to death a few Chinese poachers and China/Chinese would not dare to say a word. Nothing in the media, nothing online. Not a peep.

I posted a link to that in another thread. It's because they know the Russians are just as bad, if not worse, than them. Chinese are afraid of them. If it was America or Japan, they would claim to be a victim. Russians? They don't dare go there.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Russian and Japanese also in news today about northen Islands with highest alerts and scrambled fighters. 3 way war, right?

Or just daily news and sabre rattle.

 

[Dari]

Russian and Japanese also in news today about northen Islands with highest alerts and scrambled fighters. 3 way war, right?

Or just daily news and sabre rattle.

Nope. Different situation. If the Russians were repeatedly violating Japanese airspace or worse, it would be the same.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Nope. Different situation. If the Russians were repeatedly violating Japanese airspace or worse, it would be the same.

They are repeatedly doing that in scandinavia.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I posted a link to that in another thread. It's because they know the Russians are just as bad, if not worse, than them. Chinese are afraid of them. If it was America or Japan, they would claim to be a victim. Russians? They don't dare go there.

So true!! Unlike Japan and escpecially the USA, Russia doesn't play around and fight with one hand tied behind its back. Or care more about what others think of them then themselves. They can be just as (if not more) malevlent and bellicose as Red China. Never thought id ever say this, but I actualy almost admire the Russians in this case. Red China wouldn't dare pull this belligerent nonsense with Vlad.

 

[Dari]

They are repeatedly doing that in scandinavia.

I think they're just bored. No one takes them seriously anymore.

 

[Karl Agathon]

China is not America's friend. You are dumb.

People like to tip toe and walk on glass around the subject. China is infact at the very least, a De facto adversary. More and more like an out and out enemy these days. I dont care how much commerce goes on. There is in fact a new cold war brewing. Red China is arming itself to the teeth, far more then it needs to take on much smaller, less powerful regional neighbors. No, its arming itself to the teeth for a direct war with the United States.

The US better get started on a 6th gen stealth fighter as soon as possible. The US cant be caught standing in neutral while the Chinese keep advancing.