China's concrete usage; whoa!

[StinkyPinky]

Just spent a month in China. Country is massive, there are huge cities there that the West barely even knows about. I never felt unsafe even at night. Fascinating country. 5000 years of history and for a lot of it they were the super power of the world.

 

[momeNt]

Maybe Symons or prefabricated metal forms aren't sold in Russia, but this is basically what is already done in America and Europe for concrete construction. Other companies do this too, a lot of production type concrete work is done with metal panels, not stick built with plywood and lumber.

http://www.daytonsuperior.com/brands/forming/symons

 

[norseamd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5hZaA9W-I0

 

[-slash-]

Maybe Symons or prefabricated metal forms aren't sold in Russia, but this is basically what is already done in America and Europe for concrete construction. Other companies do this too, a lot of production type concrete work is done with metal panels, not stick built with plywood and lumber.

http://www.daytonsuperior.com/brands/forming/symons

All of our forming is done with steel forms, besides custom projects which are one off and made of wood. We have a few Helser Industries forms, Marks Metal Forms, Hawkeye Forms, and of course some in house built ones. The majority of housing projects (residential style homes) are stick built because of the varied designs. Our latest form is a Helser Industries Bebo Bridge form used in making animal crossing overpasses for large highways.

 

[IntoxicatedPuma]

Just spent a month in China. Country is massive, there are huge cities there that the West barely even knows about. I never felt unsafe even at night. Fascinating country. 5000 years of history and for a lot of it they were the super power of the world.

Where did you go while you were here? Hope you enjoyed it, go to Chengdu if you get a chance!

 

[alcoholbob]

Obligatory correction that US manufacturing output has continued to boom whilst requiring less labour -i.e. an exponential increase in productivity, regardless of being supplanted by services overall.

http://mercatus.org/publication/us-manufacturing-output-vs-jobs-1975
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_in_the_United_States

Right but most of that has to do with the fact that the actual manufacturing is being done in China or Mexico or Vietnam, then somebody assembles the shipped parts in the US and its now considered part of US production. We've lost over 60,000 factories since 1990, the work of actual manufacturing have been outsourced.

 

[CZroe]

Right but most of that has to do with the fact that the actual manufacturing is being done in China or Mexico or Vietnam, then somebody assembles the shipped parts in the US and its now considered part of US production. We've lost over 60,000 factories since 1990, the work of actual manufacturing have been outsourced.

Yeah. It's a bit like ordering a Mac Pro built in China but configuring it with extra memory or a larger HDD. Someone in the USA will pop the China-made modules into the China-made Mac Pro, box it up, and ship it. They did it in direct response to the President's direct request to have them bring more jobs here and one of the very first things that happened was they complained about the US workforce being slow to establish and ramp up causing delays which, no doubt, reminded them of why they didn't do this before being asked to.

 

[IntoxicatedPuma]

I got a bit of a complaint about the whole manufacturing thing. I'm in China doing a job that I couldn't get in the US. It wasn't because this job was taken from the US, its because our government spent a lot of money investing in the wrong thing. I lived in the Midwest most of my life and saw local governments spending money like crazy to keep manufacturing jobs there despite the fact that at the same time they're telling kids in school to go to college so they don't have to work in manufacturing.

When I graduated college that gave me two choices, go try and find a job on the east or west coast that was relevant to what I was in school for (but good luck trying to afford living there) or work a job that I didn't need college for. I did a jobs like that for 10 years and finally decided to come to China. Sure, they took a lot of manufacturing jobs from the US but the government took the money and invested heavily in high tech jobs that were being newly created. In essence, I have now taken a Chinese persons job and I'm also doing it for the same wage a Chinese person would (I'm considered a local worker because I moved here and then got the job).

Maybe we should have been less concerned with keeping manufacturing jobs which very little young people wanted to do (and we were having to overpay to get people to do it) and more concerned with creating jobs that people actually want to work.

 

[Ruptga]

Maybe we should have been less concerned with keeping manufacturing jobs which very little young people wanted to do (and we were having to overpay to get people to do it) and more concerned with creating jobs that people actually want to work.

Commie talk

The greatest generation worked terrible jobs they hated and they liked it. Kids these days just don't want to work.

 

[IntoxicatedPuma]

Commie talk

The greatest generation worked terrible jobs they hated and they liked it. Kids these days just don't want to work.

I want to work, just in a job that is actually relevant to what I was trained to do.

 

[Ruptga]

I want to work, just in a job that is actually relevant to what I was trained to do.

sigh.

I see poe's law has claimed another victim.

 

[MongGrel]

The big huge dam they built about fell apart from poor concrete to begin with if I remember right and they had to tear some things down and redo it.

See how long it lasts I guess.

 

[IntoxicatedPuma]

sigh.

I see poe's law has claimed another victim.

No I figured it was sarcasm, I was just clarifying what I said before.

 

[Auric]

Right but most of that has to do with the fact that the actual manufacturing is being done in China or Mexico or Vietnam, then somebody assembles the shipped parts in the US and its now considered part of US production. We've lost over 60,000 factories since 1990, the work of actual manufacturing have been outsourced.

In large part it is the increase in automation and growth of higher value industry. In some, such as aerospace, there are other advantages to involving more countries in production.