China's concrete usage; whoa!

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In the second half of the 1940s and into the 1950s a lot of the worlds money was sent to the U.S. for factory goods because we had the industrial base that wasn't bombed to rubble during world war II. That isn't deindustrializing.
Tommy Silva on "Ask This Old House" gave an interesting lesson once on how much you're allowed to drill into beams for utility work. If I recall correctly you have to leave at least two thirds intact.
 
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JulesMaximus

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They're also pretty good at building giant fucking dams made out of cement and stuff

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Do they fill them with garbage too?
 

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it's still gonna crumble in no time though.

Never seen a country completely master building 100% junk.
 

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Im pretty sure the three gorges dam considers the Hoover Dam an amuse bouche in comparison.

The hoover dam is miniscule in terms of yards of concrete used. Grand Coulee has roughly 4 times as much in it than the Hoover Dam. Three Gorges has more than double what Grand Coulee has.
 

norseamd

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...in an area prone to earthquakes, with a design that other countries know from experience doesn't work with high sediment rivers, and all of it with hundreds of millions of people living in it's shadow. That sound "pretty good" to you?

It's not a matter of if the 3 Gorges Dam becomes a disaster of unprecedented scale, but when. Even if they don't use shitty Russian cement they are still screwed, doubly so if they start a war with anyone.

Just imagine if a nuclear bomb got blown up at surface level right next to the 3 Gorges Dam. So much radiated water sweeping down the rest of the Shanghai River watershed. So much loss of life and destruction would go on. The whole Shanghai River Basin would also be totally irradiated.
 

norseamd

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They built an elevated highway in 2013 here, it loops around the city at around 100 feet in the air. I think the total distance is 30km. They built that in 1 year. 3 lanes in either direction, bus platform/stations every 1km.

That doesn't include all of the Metro construction going on our the huge apartment complexes all over the city. They probably have 100-200x 30 story apartment buildings under construction at any time in the city, and they take about 1 year to build.

One other thing, at least in Chengdu - everything you see above ground, has about as much built under ground. Just about every commercial building here has 5 or 6 floors underground (i think partly to help anchor it into the bedrock, this area is prone to 8.0 earthquakes) and the apartment building complexes are really just one massive building with several towers sticking up.

They dig a massive ditch for about 3 or 4 city blocks and maybe 50-100m deep, and then fill it in with parking and other stuff, then start building stuff on top.

The way construction, infrastructure, and industry is meant to be built, wasps are actually just very terrible at it. The British Empire was the largest empire so far in world history, yet what did they ever build? The fact you need to learn about Anglos, and many Westerners overall, is that they are actually just cheap apathetic consters. In China the merchant was treated with suspicion, where in Western Europe they have been treading in the shadows, pouting insecurely about how someone, AKA the European royalty and nobility were better than them, until the last few centuries they have finally been able to take control over Western society. Now they are idolized in Western society as being the unassailable essence of divinity, right decent gods, standing against evil of communism, minorities, and the poor. And it goes further than just building. Compare the Germans, Russians, and Japanese with the English and Americans in World War 2. The English and Americans are referred to as having an amateur military culture for a very good reason. The "cultural amateurism" is not all 100% terrible, and there are benefits as well as detriments, but it is not like the professionalism, diehardism, or warrior spirit of the Germans, Russians, and Japanese.
 

norseamd

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So one incident involving a criminal contractor and the whole country is condemned?

Most Americans have a poor grasp of history, geography, and world studies, especially outside of America. So they would not know that much about China at all. And those that do know something might even think that China went 3rd world in the Medieval Ages, not realizing that China was still quite powerful even into the 1700s, and really only a century or so was China ever that poor and powerless.
 
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Just imagine if a nuclear bomb got blown up at surface level right next to the 3 Gorges Dam. So much radiated water sweeping down the rest of the Shanghai River watershed. So much loss of life and destruction would go on. The whole Shanghai River Basin would also be totally irradiated.
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Compare the Germans, Russians, and Japanese with the English and Americans in World War 2. The English and Americans are referred to as having an amateur military culture for a very good reason. The "cultural amateurism" is not all 100% terrible, and there are benefits as well as detriments, but it is not like the professionalism, diehardism, or warrior spirit of the Germans, Russians, and Japanese.

This "warrior spirit" nearly drained all three countries completely during World War 2. Neither one came out nearly as strong as when it went into the war. I think your portrayal of these groups is extreme generalizing of cultures.

Most Americans have a poor grasp of history, geography, and world studies, especially outside of America. So they would not know that much about China at all. And those that do know something might even think that China went 3rd world in the Medieval Ages, not realizing that China was still quite powerful even into the 1700s, and really only a century or so was China ever that poor and powerless.

Most Chinese don't know much about ancient/medieval China either. Most people in general have a poor grasp about any history or geography.
 

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IP- are you an expat in Chengdu or what? Your English is impeccable
 

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Every country has it's pluses and minuses.

I always laugh at people who tell me how great China is but have never lived there. Live there a couple years I'm sure they would find something to complain about. Just like people who think America is sooo great and then live here and find out it's has it's downsides.
 
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Every country has it's pluses and minuses.

I always laugh at people who tell me how great China is but have never lived there. Live there a couple years I'm sure they would find something to complain about. Just like people who think America is sooo great and then live here and find out it's has it's downsides.
If you're a single guy in his early 20s, China is the place to be. If you are married and have kids, you're probably desperate to get out. The west feels incredibly dull and boring compared to China, which is good and bad.
 

Aharami

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A guy in his 20s, which apparently you aren't anymore, is comfortably with semi-consensual or largely non-consensual sex. So the lack of women isn't really a problem, per se, in china.

my sarcasm meter is going off the charts
 
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my sarcasm meter is going off the charts
I don't get where this conversation is going. I see tons of women everywhere every day. Maybe if I was 60 years old and living in some tiny village in guangxi I might be surrounded by a bunch of guys. Even if the country has more men than women, that only leaves 600 million women...how will I ever find a girl :'(
 

norseamd

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I always laugh at people who tell me how great China is but have never lived there. Live there a couple years I'm sure they would find something to complain about. Just like people who think America is sooo great and then live here and find out it's has it's downsides.

There was a study that found Chinese who lived in America for a while had an increase of their opinion of both countries. Suddenly they realized that America was not this shining freedom wonderland utopia, and that China was not so much a comparative shithole anymore, thus the national self-hate dissipated.