Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: mwmorph
Or that the example is effective and fits.
But hey, thanks for the personal attacks and lack of any real contribution to this discussion.
Every internet kiddie seems to think that a Nazi reference is effective and fits. It's so played out that it's totally ineffective and cliched.
Thank you for your opinion, now onto more productive discussion,
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: techs
Get used to it. The wackos who cry "free trade" and "competition" won't be happy until we are just like China.
In P&N I posted how Olympic teams can't serve the meat found in China because it has so much steroids it would cause the athletes to test positive. The US team is importing it from Tyson foods in the US.
To your first part, free trade and competition does not mean that companies can pollute wherever they like. If you live next to the plant, why should you have to have your property polluted by their waste? Property rights are important in forcing companies to maintain a clean and safe enviroment.
edit: In fact it's the idea of communism that allows for this pollution. The government does things "for the greater good" thereby ignoring the negative side effects. People living next to these plants and polluted areas would probably do something if they could.
Stop with your bullshit.
Would you like to back that up?
I'm amazed at this whole "communist" buzzword thrown around all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.
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China has a currency based on the gold possibly(probably imho) pegged to the US dollar depending on whom you ask, china has property ownership and taxes and private businesses. It's been that way since oh about... 10,000B.C., except for one period of a few years during Mao's Great Leap Forward.
As for environmental issues, China has advanced more in 30 years than he first 200 or so years of the European Industrial revolution.
Take a young government, no experience in what an advanced, modern economy is like, a large population and create on a unprecedented scale and speed an industrial base rivaling anything else the world has to offer and see how it turned out.
Western civilization had a gentler progress curve and the benefit of experience. Sure France or Britain or America looks good now, but go back to the beginning of their respective industrial revolutions and you will see many of the same things then as you see in china now. Time will work things out for the better eventually.
I don't believe you can blame china, It's early in it's cycle and things tend to get much better as time progresses, it's doing well considering how much more quickly it's developed when compared to say America of the early 1900s, when we were undergoing our very own economic revolution.
History tends to repeat itself.
It's easier to see when you no longer compare China to America circa 2008 but rather civilizations in it's category of development.
Politically, 50-60 years after our revolution we still had slavery, had quite a few massacres of native Americans and government dissenters. Hell in WWII we sent a bunch of Japanese and possibly Japanese to basically detainment camps by executive order.In 1970 we shot up students at Kent State for protesting the Vietnam War's expansion into Cambodia.
Give it time, countries and governments need time to grow and mature, learn from experience.
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