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China zooms ahead in education

JSt0rm

JSt0rm

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/education/07education.html

Boom. Destroyed us. I guess university of Virginia had 600 Chinese students apply and they ALL scored 800 on math sat tests. All of them scored perfect. China is gonna kill us.

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Calm down.

"* In this study, China was represented by the City of Shanghai, Hong Kong and Macao."

So basically they cherry-picked students from their wealthier cities.

Most people have known for a long time that East Asians heavily value education. Most of the time this is a good thing but then you hear stories of Asian students pretending to go to Stanford (living in common areas but going to class, etc.) because they can't stand the shame of not going.
 
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Infohawk said:
Calm down.

"* In this study, China was represented by the City of Shanghai, Hong Kong and Macao."

So basically they cherry-picked students from their wealthier cities.

Most people have known for a long time that East Asians heavily value education. Most of the time this is a good thing but then you hear stories of Asian students pretending to go to Stanford (living in common areas but going to class, etc.) because they can't stand the same of not going.
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Yep. When the deck is stacked, expect to lose.

This doesn't reflect reality.
 
I'm more concerned about how much better Canada is doing compared to the US. Similar demographics and I guess their education system (k-12) is superior to ours.
 
Ask the peasants in the Chinese countryside to take that test, see how well they do on it. In other news, the students at Boston Latin show that America has the greatest public education system in the world!
 
If they're so smart then why are they so poor? omg owned!

from above link
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_34/b3948485.htm
"Students cram and recite," says Shen Baiyu, director of curriculum development at the Education Ministry in Beijing. "They remember, but they don't understand." The lack of creativity, says Shen, is "a fatal disadvantage of Chinese education."
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Yeah that sounds about right for most education systems. I remember a lot of engineering class mates getting destroyed during the questioning period of their final project presentations. They'll give a presentation loaded with real facts, but they don't understand what any of it means. The most basic questions could not be answered.
 
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ok ignore the problem. I use creativity and divergent thinking in my work so I'm safe its all you punters with your cs degrees that are fucked.
 
So let's give more money to the teacher's unions that are the reason for such poor education to begin with.

While we're at it, let's punish the successful, educated members of our society, and reward the poor, uneducated.
 
PeshakJang said:
So let's give more money to the teacher's unions that are the reason for such poor education to begin with.

While we're at it, let's punish the successful, educated members of our society, and reward the poor, uneducated.
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I dont think thats the solution. They said on npr that the chinese students study 7 days a week. Also while the teachers are paid more then ours (in relation) they have classes with 100 students in them. This is a culture thing. I dont think we will be able to solve this problem.
 
My girlfriend is from mainland China, she is a PhD student in the US now. She went to a high-school in her home province to prepare her for college. They made them get up at the crack of dawn to exercise and begin their studies / classes which lasted well into the evening, they made them study all-day on weekends, they only let her go home to visit her family / friends once a month, and even then that was just for one day. This went on for her entire time in high school. The last year when they were preparing to apply for college was even worse, they literary made themselves sick.

Their high-schools are ultra-difficult and borderline insane when time for college applications come near, at least the one she went to. She said that most of their colleges are of poor quality compared to US schools and she was overwhelmed with the workload / difficulty of our university's curriculum when she arrived in comparison to what she had been used to back in China during her undergraduate and early graduate career.

In short / General:
US High School = FAIL
Chinese High School (college prep) = Overkill

US Universities = WIN
Chinese Universities = FAIL

Chinese Undergraduate Students in America = Rich families and quite bright
Chinese Graduate Students in America = The best and the brightest their country has to offer

American Undergraduate Students = Party animals with student loan debt
American Graduate Students = Why would I want to study more when I could be making cash in the workforce?
 
More appropriate comparison is Chinese American scores vs Mainland Chinese scores. Or Beverly Hills vs Hong Kong.
 
JSt0rm said:
I dont think thats the solution. They said on npr that the chinese students study 7 days a week. Also while the teachers are paid more then ours (in relation) they have classes with 100 students in them. This is a culture thing. I dont think we will be able to solve this problem.
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We could take a lesson from those ITT Tech commercials. Did you see the one explaining how nice bob's car is? It has leather seats. He has that car because he went to ITT Tech and got a job that doesn't suck.

That's what posters in schools should say. Instead of putting "math is fun" and having kids laugh at how stupid that is, put a poster with a picture of a beater car and write "this is what your car looks like when you drop out of school"
 
ShawnD1 said:
That's what posters in schools should say. Instead of putting "math is fun" and having kids laugh at how stupid that is, put a poster with a picture of a beater car and write "this is what your car looks like when you drop out of school"
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lol. good one.
 
JSt0rm said:
They discussed that point. They said china is right now building hundreds of universities and hope to compete in the future.
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They have a long way to go to catch up with the greatest higher education system in the world.

You want to know how you can keep America on top in both academia and the sciences?

You give bright international students (from all countries) that earn advanced degrees here a path to citizenship, rather than sending them back home after they complete their degree and end up teaching the next generation over there what they learned here. We have an opportunity to assimilate the cream of the world's population and turn them into Americans.

But, instead we care mainly about granting illegal (and in many cases, illiterate) immigrants paths to citizenship.
 
JSt0rm said:
I dont think thats the solution. They said on npr that the chinese students study 7 days a week. Also while the teachers are paid more then ours (in relation) they have classes with 100 students in them. This is a culture thing. I dont think we will be able to solve this problem.
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You must be mistaken! The reason our kids do so poorly is because they don't all have iPads, Wolfgang Puck isn't cooking them 3 nutritious meals a day!

And you expect children to study outside of school? You expect parents to pressure their children to do well in school? Clearly you are an impassionate bigot, sir. Children need freedom to explore themselves and parents have no right to interfere with their lives.

Every teacher in America is the best, brightest, most highly qualified individual in the country. How DARE you place even an atom of blame on these Real American Heroes. 5 years of teaching is like 150 years of any other job... so they fucking deserve that tenure at 2 years. Don't you GODDAMN DARE blame ANYBODY other than the government that isn't giving them enough money.
 
Schadenfroh said:
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In short / General:
US High School = FAIL
Chinese High School (college prep) = Overkill

US Universities = WIN
Chinese Universities = FAIL

Chinese Undergraduate Students in America = Rich families and quite bright
Chinese Graduate Students in America = The best and the brightest their country has to offer

American Undergraduate Students = Party animals with student loan debt
American Graduate Students = Why would I want to study more when I could be making cash in the workforce?
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That's the reason it looks so skewed.
 
PeshakJang said:
You must be mistaken! The reason our kids do so poorly is because they don't all have iPads, Wolfgang Puck isn't cooking them 3 nutritious meals a day!

And you expect children to study outside of school? You expect parents to pressure their children to do well in school? Clearly you are an impassionate bigot, sir. Children need freedom to explore themselves and parents have no right to interfere with their lives.

Every teacher in America is the best, brightest, most highly qualified individual in the country. How DARE you place even an atom of blame on these Real American Heroes. 5 years of teaching is like 150 years of any other job... so they fucking deserve that tenure at 2 years. Don't you GODDAMN DARE blame ANYBODY other than the government that isn't giving them enough money.
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Hey retard show us on the diagram where the bad teachers touched you

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