China to 'boost' military spending

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Do you know much ammo those things carry? Each plane holds 4 missles. Figure about 75 per carrier. Who even knows how many missles they have in reserve. 75x5x4 = 1500 dead planes,tanks,etc. Let's say only half of those hit. And lets say we have enough ammo for 5 runs for all their planes (ignoring any shot down planes b/c the ammo will still be there for planes waiting in the hanger). thats 750x5=3750 destroyed things. I doubt the Chinese have that many planes/tanks they can afford to lose before a land battle even happens. Not only that, you know there are these things called supply lines. They refuel, rearm, etc...

Not only that, we have cruise missiles, land bases all over asia, etc...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

From study. The desertion rates in the Soviet military, except the Navy, were astonomical. I had a professor those many many years ago who was Ukranian and at one time worked for the Soviet Defense Ministry(or whatever it was called) and he said over and over again in class that it was well known within the high command that were a war against the US or Europe to begin that great masses of their military would simply lay down arms and disappear into the countryside. He said the attitude even got worse after the Soviet Invasion/disaster in Afghanistan. He was really an intersting guy, expert on Soviet and Greek history. Quite the combo I always thought.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

From study. The desertion rates in the Soviet military, except the Navy, were astonomical. I had a professor those many many years ago who was Ukranian and at one time worked for the Soviet Defense Ministry(or whatever it was called) and he said over and over again in class that it was well known within the high command that were a war against the US or Europe to begin that great masses of their military would simply lay down arms and disappear into the countryside. He said the attitude even got worse after the Soviet Invasion/disaster in Afghanistan. He was really an intersting guy, expert on Soviet and Greek history. Quite the combo I always thought.

They certainly folded against the Germans didn't they?

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

From study. The desertion rates in the Soviet military, except the Navy, were astonomical. I had a professor those many many years ago who was Ukranian and at one time worked for the Soviet Defense Ministry(or whatever it was called) and he said over and over again in class that it was well known within the high command that were a war against the US or Europe to begin that great masses of their military would simply lay down arms and disappear into the countryside. He said the attitude even got worse after the Soviet Invasion/disaster in Afghanistan. He was really an intersting guy, expert on Soviet and Greek history. Quite the combo I always thought.

They certainly folded against the Germans didn't they?

Different generation.

 

[intogamer]

Gotta protect em's ballz from Japan after what they did to em before. Also N. Korea.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

The reality is you're vastly underestimating the difficulties with a theoretical attack into the Middle East.

Lets look at how China would even get to the Middle East proper. The choices are either to invade Pakistan who has a formidable military with its own an nuclear weapons, (they might be somewhat allied to China, but that won't include invading the middle east through their territory) or going through the highly mountainous areas of Tajikistan and Afghanistan. While the issue of whether the US could stop China in Afghanistan could be debated, the US could at a minimum start funneling weapons to partisans who could start attacking Chinese Army supply convoys.

China then really doesn't have a choice about invading Iran in order to reach the Middle East by land. Iran is generally rated as having close to 1,000 T-72s and around 1,000 older tanks that could still put up a fight against he Chinese. Their airforce still consists of several hundred fighters, and some newer Mig-29s and even some F-14s still in service, so they can hurt the Chinese airforce on their own. With Iran's reserves, it has millions of potential soldiers to stop the Chinese advance, armed with some fairly effective anti-tank weapons and the like.

China actually has limited land logistics right now in the first place, and the US is going to be bombing the heck out of these supply convoys. China's army is simply going to run out of supplies such as fuel. If they somehow make it to the Iraqi border through Iran, they will be crushed by a combined US/Arab army, with the Arabs equipped with a variety of different modern weapons they bought with their oil money from various western countries. Basicly there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of China pulling off a land based invasion of the Middle East anytime soon. Sheer population isn't everything and you still have to project your forces.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: sandorski

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

What kinda sh1t is that? :|

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

What kinda sh1t is that? :|

Muahah. eat a shit, specop.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

oh shutup troll.

as for china overrunning middle east. i think not. defending your land with loads of relatively primitively armed soldiers..thats easy. the logistics and infrastructure to travel long distances and keep up supplies and strength are quite another thing.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sandorski

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

What kinda sh1t is that? :|

I apologize to Medicine Bear.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: lozina

Officially, defense spending grew about 11 percent last year from 2003, hitting 211.7 billion yuan ($25.6 billion), according to the white paper.

By comparison, the U.S. defense budget is about $400 billion this year and Japan's is about $47 billion.

So Japan the pacifist nation has nearly double the defense budget of this "tiger" ? And we're supposed to be worried?

china doesn't spend its time making threats.

And they jail their liberals!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

From study. The desertion rates in the Soviet military, except the Navy, were astonomical. I had a professor those many many years ago who was Ukranian and at one time worked for the Soviet Defense Ministry(or whatever it was called) and he said over and over again in class that it was well known within the high command that were a war against the US or Europe to begin that great masses of their military would simply lay down arms and disappear into the countryside. He said the attitude even got worse after the Soviet Invasion/disaster in Afghanistan. He was really an intersting guy, expert on Soviet and Greek history. Quite the combo I always thought.

They certainly folded against the Germans didn't they?

Different generation.

This generation may have watched the way the Soviet rewarded the WWII generation for valor. Siberia, anyone?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: WalkingDead

Originally posted by: sandorski
China doesn't even need a Navy to be a Major thorn in the side on the global scale of things. They are a mere few days drive from the most strategically important place on Earth, the Middle East. Short of a Nuclear exchange, nothing could stop a Chinese Army from overrunning everything in their path, even the US forces stationed in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I'm not aware of there're super highways through the Hindu Kush, the Himalaya or the Myanmar jungles.

Don't need 'em.

Nothing can stop them? How about 5 aircraft carriers bombing their travel lines 24 hours a day until there is nothing left of their army?

The Carriers would run out of ammo before even denting the oncoming Chinese Army.

Much like the Soviet Army of the Cold War days most of the Chinese Army would not fight. I know several people who are Chinese and either were in the Chinese military or have relatives in it. For the most part they are there because it provides a better like that your average Chinese citizen and if fighting were to break out they would be long gone. One of them told me a story about a family member about 10 years ago being in a unit that was sent into the Mongolian region to find/kill some warlord type. It was well known that this guy had his own powerful militia or whatever you want to call it. Well the night before the unit was to start operating in the area over half of them deserted. Now admittedly this is second hand information, but it goes in hand with what I have heard from multiple other sources.

You're not Spec007 by any chance? Where did you get the idea that the Soviets wouldn't fight?

From study. The desertion rates in the Soviet military, except the Navy, were astonomical. I had a professor those many many years ago who was Ukranian and at one time worked for the Soviet Defense Ministry(or whatever it was called) and he said over and over again in class that it was well known within the high command that were a war against the US or Europe to begin that great masses of their military would simply lay down arms and disappear into the countryside. He said the attitude even got worse after the Soviet Invasion/disaster in Afghanistan. He was really an intersting guy, expert on Soviet and Greek history. Quite the combo I always thought.

They certainly folded against the Germans didn't they?

Different generation.

This generation may have watched the way the Soviet rewarded the WWII generation for valor. Siberia, anyone?

Check your dates. Stalin's purges started in the 30's. The people were being killed by him before the war, yet they still fought the Germans. Forced to? Of course to a degree, yet they could have left. People were miserable, yet they fought, and they fought because an enemy invaded their home. Don't think they would run any faster today.

 

[biostud]

Keep up our military spending...stay ahead of them. We are still like two military tiers ahead of them, and we still spend more $ on defense than they do, by a HUGE margin.

Why not just divide the world in two, and use the money for something usefull.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
How many times do I have to say nuke them now? Their concentration of people to land is high. Easy target!

For those who are concerned about China, Skoorb's answer is the only pragmatic solution.

If you want the US to remain the dominant power, you must eliminate the opposition.

China's standard of living is improving and their backwards technology is temporary. They do not have to invent, they just need to emulate. Their population is enormous, and their consumption of raw materials is going to make the US appetite look like a light snack.

Kill them all now while you can, if you think it so important. You won't get the chance later.

You up for it?