China puts missles, fighter jets in disputed islands

[bshole]

Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I even provided the post with links from 2/25/2016.

Here it is again, not just about islands of no importance to us as you claim... it is about...



US military commander in Pacific region..china can not shut off the SCS = http://thediplomat.com/2016/12/us-pacific-commander-china-cant-shut-off-south-china-sea/

You were saying something about "All I can say is FUCK YOU"..yeah, fuck YOU right back, learn how to read and do some research before you open your mouth.

If it is so important to you, send your children and yourself over there and engage.... DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TO ASK MY NEPHEWS TO DIE FOR YOUR BULLSHIT.

 

[Svnla]

If it is so important to you, send your children and yourself over there and engage.... DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TO ASK MY NEPHEWS TO DIE FOR YOUR BULLSHIT.

You still do not get it, don't you? Remember how the US wanted to stay neutral during WWII and did not want to get involved in fighting the Axis? It lasted for several years then what happened? We all know by now how let them folks fight it out by themselves over there and leave us alone here turned out in WWII. All bullshit warmongering too eh?

What's that old saying? Those that ignore history are doom to repeat it.

Keep bury your head in the sand and scream "it is not our problem".

 

[momeNt]

That's one of the stupidest & most arrogant things I've ever read on this forum, and I've read plenty.

It's no different than setting a no-fly zone in Syria. And that's posturing against RUSSIA, who is way more nuclear than China.

 

[pauldun170]

China makes an awesome boogeyman.
Communists? Check
Looks different? Check
Not Christian? Check

I am very grateful for China and the crap they pull.
Lots of platforms in the US arsenal that need to be replaced and its hard to justify funding without a proper boogeyman. Bunch of civilians\militia brown people conflicts we've been dealing with, while great for keeping the "Celebrate all things Military" attitude alive does not pay the bills.

Best of all, economic entanglements internationally and cultural limitations within Chinese society means they are a stable boogeyman that can adapt to our domestic political needs for years to come.

Disclaimer: I'm not being sarcastic.

 

[pauldun170]

If we are on the winning side I'm not sure it's such a bad thing.

Honestly I think the world is a bit out of touch with the potency of the American War Machine. I think LegendKiller has a point, we need to respond strongly to this once Trump is in office. Borders will always be defined by war, not diplomacy, the US seems to have forgotten that.

How exactly should we respond.
Destroy the facilities and personnel?
No fly zone +blockade?
Invade the Island?

Then what?

 

[bshole]

Keep bury your head in the sand and scream "it is not our problem".

It is not our problem. China is the world number one manufacturer and destined to be the biggest military and economic power in human history. And YOU think there is a damn thing America can do about it. And YOU are willing to bet millions of human lives to prove it.

The American interests were lost when we gave them all of our manufacturing and all of our expertise. In comparison to that, these islands are about 1 millionth of 1 percent as important. Funny that you are willing to invoke Armageddon over a few tiny islands and yet were distinctly disinterested when our government allowed our corporate elite to give everything that made America powerful to the Chinese.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

How exactly should we respond.

The best answer is:

 

[werepossum]

How about you blame the real culprits who have helped China become able to do such things,

Greedy American CEO's that brainwashed cheap as fuck Americans that they will bring Democracy to China through free markets while Americans get to enjoy cheap goods.

Instead what you got is China playing possum with you so you can built up their manufacturing while they stole your IP and Trade secrets, Americans who now look at burger flipping as a career, loss of many valuable skills from industries that no longer exist in the USA, and of course China now is in a position to flex its muscle knowing you are too beholden to the most powerful drug, greed, which they have successfully used against you.

But remember , profits only matter, not country, national security, or taking care of your own.

It's not "Greedy American CEO's" who are to blame. Nixon opened up China as a hedge against the Soviet Union and Soviet-leaning India. Since then, both Democrats and Republicans in Congress and the White House have fallen all over themselves making China the most attractive place in the world to manufacture. We routinely sign trade agreements and memoranda of understanding that are sadly lopsided, such as China requiring that all factories in China be at least half Chinese-owned whereas Chinese companies (including quasi-governmental entities) are free to buy up whatever they wish in the USA.

 

[bshole]

We routinely sign trade agreements and memoranda of understanding that are sadly lopsided, such as China requiring that all factories in China be at least half Chinese-owned whereas Chinese companies (including quasi-governmental entities) are free to buy up whatever they wish in the USA.

Is there a competence test for American CEOs?!?! For fucks sake, how can they not see that this is long term suicide for their companies?

 

[werepossum]

Is there a competence test for American CEOs?!?! For fucks sake, how can they not see that this is long term suicide for their companies?

I think when forced to choose between long term suicide for the company with a short term windfall for themselves on one hand, and short term unemployment for themselves with maybe better long term consequences for the company on the other, American CEOs can be as mentally and ethically flexible as any.

 

[bshole]

I think when forced to choose between long term suicide for the company with a short term windfall for themselves on one hand, and short term unemployment for themselves with maybe better long term consequences for the company on the other, American CEOs can be as mentally and ethically flexible as any.

I guess their "tribe" does not include America or the American worker.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not "Greedy American CEO's" who are to blame. Nixon opened up China as a hedge against the Soviet Union and Soviet-leaning India. Since then, both Democrats and Republicans in Congress and the White House have fallen all over themselves making China the most attractive place in the world to manufacture. We routinely sign trade agreements and memoranda of understanding that are sadly lopsided, such as China requiring that all factories in China be at least half Chinese-owned whereas Chinese companies (including quasi-governmental entities) are free to buy up whatever they wish in the USA.

Meanwhile, Trump meets with Tech leaders-

Hosting with three of his children - Donald Jr, Eric and Ivanka - Mr Trump told the executives he would make trading across borders "a lot easier".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38323260

 

[Svnla]

It is not our problem. China is the world number one manufacturer and destined to be the biggest military and economic power in human history. And YOU think there is a damn thing America can do about it. And YOU are willing to bet millions of human lives to prove it.

The American interests were lost when we gave them all of our manufacturing and all of our expertise. In comparison to that, these islands are about 1 millionth of 1 percent as important. Funny that you are willing to invoke Armageddon over a few tiny islands and yet were distinctly disinterested when our government allowed our corporate elite to give everything that made America powerful to the Chinese.

You are so clueless.

Look up on the "First island chain", I do not have much time now I am using Wiki to save time = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain

and why those islands/islets are important = http://cwp.princeton.edu/news/why-islands-still-matter-asia-cwp-alumni-erickson-wuthnow

Destined to be the biggest military and economic power in human history you said? = http://www.cnbc.com/2013/10/10/china-will-get-old-well-before-it-gets-rich.html

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Oh, where did I give the US big corps a pass (disinterested as you claimed) when they moved jobs/knowledge to china? Nope/nada/zip.

If you want to continue this debate with me, go get some links/sources to back up your assertion before you continue blowing smoke out of your butthole.

 

[momeNt]

How exactly should we respond.
Destroy the facilities and personnel?
No fly zone +blockade?
Invade the Island?

Then what?

Just look at the Pacific Theater in WW2, respond in similar fashion, a systematic re-taking of the areas and putting the rightful borders back in place.

 

[bshole]

You are so clueless.

Look up on the "First island chain", I do not have much time now I am using Wiki to save time = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain

and why those islands/islets are important = http://cwp.princeton.edu/news/why-islands-still-matter-asia-cwp-alumni-erickson-wuthnow

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Oh, where did I give the US big corps a pass (disinterested as you claimed) when they moved jobs/knowledge to china? Nope/nada/zip.

If you want to debate with me, get some links/sources to back up your assertion before you continue blowing smoke out of your butthole.

I have no problem whatsoever with China setting up a defensive perimeter to protect itself from the United States. Why do you? Seriously why do you? I can't think of a single cogent reason why. America has military bases in half the countries in the whole god-damn world and you are seriously going to bitch about this?!?!?!?!?!!? Tell you what, have America pull ALL of its forces back to America, then it can bitch about China putting forces in a few offshore islands.

 

[IGBT]

Submarines are next..your obama's legacy.

 

[Svnla]

I have no problem whatsoever with China setting up a defensive perimeter to protect itself from the United States. Why do you? Seriously why do you? I can't think of a single cogent reason why. America has military bases in half the countries in the whole god-damn world and you are seriously going to bitch about this?!?!?!?!?!!? Tell you what, have America pull ALL of its forces back to America, then it can bitch about China putting forces in a few offshore islands.

You think commie china claims 90% of SCS is a defense gesture to protect itself? LOL. Talk about clueless and naive.

Why do I? Again, learn to read. I am posting this again for you = https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...disputed-islands.2465034/page-3#post-38053654

If you still do not get it, read more posts from me in this thread with several links/articles from numerous sources to explain to you why those islands/islets are important.

If you still do not get it, get professional help before you open your mouth and spew out things that you do not know/understand about.

 

[bshole]

You think commie china claims 90% of SCS is a defense gesture to protect itself? LOL. Talk about clueless and naive.

Why do I? Again, learn to read. I am posting this again for you = https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...disputed-islands.2465034/page-3#post-38053654

If you still do not get it, read more posts from me in this thread with several links/articles from numerous sources to explain to you why those islands/islets are important.

If you still do not get it, get professional help before you open your mouth and spew out things that you do not know/understand about.

I READ IT and I understand it and I could not find a legit reason why we should care all that much. You apparently can't find a reason why we should care either because you failed to state the reason we should care. You just told me to read some links. It would be extremely helpful if you could articulate the reasons.

The new reality is that China will be much more powerful than America in your lifetime. It is going to be able to define its own spheres of influence and there really isn't going to be much that America can do about it. Deal with it.

The first island chain refers to the first chain of major archipelagos out from the East Asian continental mainland coast. Principally composed of the Kuril Islands, Japanese Archipelago, Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan, the northern Philippines, and Borneo; from the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Malay Peninsula. Some definitions of the first island chain anchor the northern end on the Russian Far East coast north of Sahkalin Island, with Sahkalin Island being the first link in the chain.[1] However, others consider the Aleutians as the farthest north-eastern first link in the chain.[2] The first island chain forms one of three island chain doctrines within the Island Chain Strategy.

The first island chain has its purpose in Chinese military doctrine. The People's Republic of China views the first island chain as the area it must secure and disable from American bases, aircraft and aircraft-carrier groups, if in defending itself it must tactically unleash a pre-emptive attack against an enemy. The aim of the doctrine is to seal off the Yellow Sea, South China Sea and East China Sea inside an arc running from the Aleutians in the north to Borneo in the south.[3] According to reports by American think tanks CSBA and RAND, by 2020, China will be well on its way to having the means to achieve its first island chain policy.[4]

 

[Svnla]

I READ IT and I understand it and I could not find a legit reason why we should care all that much. You apparently can't find a reason why we should care either because you failed to state the reason we should care. You just told me to read some links. It would be extremely helpful if you could articulate the reasons.

The new reality is that China will be much more powerful than America in your lifetime. It is going to be able to define its own spheres of influence and there really isn't going to be much that America can do about it. Deal with it.

Ok, you want to spell it out. I will.

We should care about South china Sea (SCS) because:

1. SCS is the lifeblood for our closest allies in Asia such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, and others. (As I stated several months before today already)
2. SCS has trillion and trillion worth of goods go by that route. World commerce will suffer tremendously if that route is block or occupy by china. How do you like if Iran claims 90% of Persian Gulf? Why would the US cares, let Iran takes it, right? LOL
3. SCS has the potential for billion and billion for oil and gas. Are you going to let china just takes it? Of course you do. Others do not.
4. SCS also have billion and billion worth of marine and fishes. Are you going to let china takes it? Nevermind. Of course you do, Mr. "anything for peace in our time" Chamberlain. <snickering>

Shall I go on? Just say please and I will continue to teach you with facts.

This article says US should care = http://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...hy-you-need-to-care-about-the-south-china-sea

This article very much says that same thing as I did, not because we want to pick a fight with china but if we do nothing now, war will more than likely coming sooner than later = http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-schake-south-china-sea-ruling-20160714-snap-story.html

Oh, china will be much more powerful than American in my lifetime? You have link for that? Again, I have this to dispute your assertion = http://www.cnbc.com/2013/10/10/china-will-get-old-well-before-it-gets-rich.html

and this one = http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-18091107

Facts are facts. Deal with it and if you can't. Go FUCK yourself.

 

[pauldun170]

Just look at the Pacific Theater in WW2, respond in similar fashion, a systematic re-taking of the areas and putting the rightful borders back in place.

So in your plan

Step 1. Airstrikes followed by invasion of islands in the spratlys. (what we in the industry refer to as "An act of War")

Step 2. Hold Island. Do we plant a flag? Is it our flag, Vietnam's or Philippines flag? Do leave a tape recored message that says "All These Worlds Are Yours Except Europa. Attempt No Landing There. Use Them Together. Use Them in Peace."? Obvious blockade, skirmishes...back and forth between China and US.

Step 3. Profit?

 

[Jhhnn]

Just look at the Pacific Theater in WW2, respond in similar fashion, a systematic re-taking of the areas and putting the rightful borders back in place.

Just start WW3, right? Over uninhabited islands where we have no claim other than having the biggest dick.

 

[werepossum]

I guess their "tribe" does not include America or the American worker.

Not when their own success dictates otherwise, no. Our politicians should be crafting an environment where putting Americans first is the path to success. Otherwise CXOs will do what it takes for their own companies to succeed, and those few who sacrifice profitability for principles will be gobbled up by those who do not and thus grow huge.

Of course, those fattened American companies will in time be gobbled up or put out of business by Chinese companies using the same Chinese labor but leaner management. But that doesn't really hurt the CXOs who will be comfortably retired by then, and it certainly doesn't help the displaced American workers.

Meanwhile, Trump meets with Tech leaders-

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38323260

I have every faith that Trump's wall will be huge and bigly and awesome and have a moving sidewalk running right through it. Walking through the desert is sooo twentieth century.

 

[nickqt]

Russia is Eurasia. China is Eastasia.

Oceania is currently trying to decide who is the real enemy among the two, with the two major political parties in disagreement with which one is the real enemy.

All we need now is the one-party state.

Dear God was Orwell a fucking prophet.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not when their own success dictates otherwise, no. Our politicians should be crafting an environment where putting Americans first is the path to success. Otherwise CXOs will do what it takes for their own companies to succeed, and those few who sacrifice profitability for principles will be gobbled up by those who do not and thus grow huge.

Of course, those fattened American companies will in time be gobbled up or put out of business by Chinese companies using the same Chinese labor but leaner management. But that doesn't really hurt the CXOs who will be comfortably retired by then, and it certainly doesn't help the displaced American workers.

Chinese companies? American companies? You misunderstand the very nature of multinational conglomerates. They seek to transcend any national loyalties whatsoever. Many already have.

 

[bshole]

Ok, you want to spell it out. I will.

We should care about South china Sea (SCS) because:

1. SCS is the lifeblood for our closest allies in Asia such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, and others. (As I stated several months before today already)
2. SCS has trillion and trillion worth of goods go by that route. World commerce will suffer tremendously if that route is block or occupy by china. How do you like if Iran claims 90% of Persian Gulf? Why would the US cares, let Iran takes it, right? LOL
3. SCS has the potential for billion and billion for oil and gas. Are you going to let china just takes it? Of course you do. Others do not.
4. SCS also have billion and billion worth of marine and fishes. Are you going to let china takes it?

Personally I don't feel threatened. Interesting that China controls the Panama Canal but that doesn't appear to scare you. I don't understand why you would think the most capitalist nation on earth (China) would want to impede trade which it is so dependent on.