China puts missles, fighter jets in disputed islands

[baydude]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/asia/china-missiles-south-china-sea/index.html

At what point will the international community who has a stake in the area stop China from continuing to militarize the island? Looks like China has been doing exactly what it wants since the beginning of building the islands and no one is even doing anything except for sailing past the islands as China tells them to GTFO?

 

[Jaskalas]

The world tell China....?
Heh... I'm afraid you have that backwards.
Say hello to the new global superpower.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

No one dares to start a war over that.

Especially not with a nuclear power.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No one dares to start a war over that.

Especially not with a nuclear power.

couple of years old but things are about the same today re the numbers. In short, a very junior nuclear power.

 

[Newbian]

couple of years old but things are about the same today re the numbers. In short, a very junior nuclear power.

Who cares if they are a junior power for a few launched at cities would be enough to end the world as it doesn't just stop there.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Who cares if they are a junior power for a few launched at cities would be enough to end the world as it doesn't just stop there.

And you think the Chinese are suicidal?

 

[baydude]

So China will have zero repercussions for doing this next to their Asian neighbors? No economic sanctions or an Asian Union teamed together to bring the attention to UN?

 

[maddogchen]

besides US, the only neighbors willing to fight is Vietnam and the Philippines. Japan wants to help but they are a long ways away.

Lets look at Vietnam. At sea they'll get their butts whipped.
Lets look at Philippines. They don't really have a navy. The Chinese Coast Guard is bigger and better than the Philippines navy.

Malaysia will keep their mouths shut cuz they already got a economic bruising from China when they lost a jet full of chinese citizens and then bungled the search for them. Brunei is too small. Taiwan has a decent navy but they are diplomatically shunned by the other countries and they also have their own disputes with Japan and Philippines over islands.

So what you gonna do?

 

[Indus]

The big fish eats the little fish.

I lived in SEA for 6 years and they all know they will have to answer to China's whims sooner or later. That's why they're already bowing down to China's demands with trade treaties and extraditions. It's the same for most of the countries like Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.

Of course a few don't like it like the Philippines which is why this is an issue and they're wanting to welcome Americans back again and give them military bases - military bases they kicked us out of in 1990's. Maybe it's also that the Philippine economy hasn't been the same since Americans left so this whole story has a Philippine angle.

Not that I dislike them or their people or anything but they wanted us to leave, now I'm sure they can handle China on their own.

To be honest at this point we have every reason to be more concerned with North Korea than the Chinese islands since they are more into nuking us with ICBM's. More immediate threat.

 

[sunzt]

Who cares if they are a junior power for a few launched at cities would be enough to end the world as it doesn't just stop there.

I'm willing to bet, that in today's world, the first country to launch a nuke at another country's military force (not civilian center) will not be retaliated with nukes. Everyone is too scared about MAD that they'll be willing to let 1 nuke pass if it's centered on a military force.

 

[Jhhnn]

None of the parties have greater claim than the Chinese because nobody lived there prior to 1974 when they began to develop the islands.

 

[DCal430]

None of the parties have greater claim than the Chinese because nobody lived there prior to 1974 when they began to develop the islands.

This isn't true at all. Vietnam and France both had people on the Island long before 1974.

 

[Jaskalas]

None of the parties have greater claim than the Chinese because nobody lived there prior to 1974 when they began to develop the islands.

That'd be like China claiming resources within 200 miles of US mainland.
Proximity denotes claim. It is a clear violation of UNCLOS and the territory and sovereignty of those countries involved

 

[Jhhnn]

This isn't true at all. Vietnam and France both had people on the Island long before 1974.

They visited the islands, garrisoned them intermittently with small numbers of troops. They didn't live there.

 

[Jhhnn]

That'd be like China claiming resources within 200 miles of US mainland.
Proximity denotes claim. It is a clear violation of UNCLOS and the territory and sovereignty of those countries involved.

The article is about the Paracels, not the Spratleys.

 

[Jaskalas]

The article is about the Paracels, not the Spratleys.

Apologies then.
China has an obvious claim to the Paracels.
Though the parallel development and dispute on both sets has left it too easy to mix up the discussion.

 

[Sonikku]

So China will have zero repercussions for doing this next to their Asian neighbors? No economic sanctions or an Asian Union teamed together to bring the attention to UN?

Dude, they make our iphones. :'(

 

[Darwin333]

The biggest problem this causes is the huge strategic gain they will have if we ever do have to face them in a war. Right now our Navy will completely dominate them. Once they have completed their plans in the SCS they will be able to deny our Navy access to the South China Sea as well as give them a huge buffer from our war planes entering China airspace from the south.

As I've always said, the Chinese are very long term thinking whereas we are very short term thinkers. Our policies change ever 4 to 8 years whereas they have 20+ year plans.

 

[werepossum]

The biggest problem this causes is the huge strategic gain they will have if we ever do have to face them in a war. Right now our Navy will completely dominate them. Once they have completed their plans in the SCS they will be able to deny our Navy access to the South China Sea as well as give them a huge buffer from our war planes entering China airspace from the south.

As I've always said, the Chinese are very long term thinking whereas we are very short term thinkers. Our policies change ever 4 to 8 years whereas they have 20+ year plans.

Exactly. Plus, to get our Navy there, we have to borrow gas money from the Chinese, which makes it difficult to take on the Chinese. (Not to mention the prospect of a Christmas with no toys or consumer electronics being enough to paralyze most of our politicians.)

 

[Fern]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/asia/china-missiles-south-china-sea/index.html

At what point will the international community who has a stake in the area stop China from continuing to militarize the island? Looks like China has been doing exactly what it wants since the beginning of building the islands and no one is even doing anything except for sailing past the islands as China tells them to GTFO?

Don't worry, Obama's all over it. He'll fix it. (snicker, snort, snicker, LOL)

Fern

 

[Sonikku]

Yeah we need to build more super carriers. The solution is to rebuild our military. :hmm:

 

[Darwin333]

Exactly. Plus, to get our Navy there, we have to borrow gas money from the Chinese, which makes it difficult to take on the Chinese. (Not to mention the prospect of a Christmas with no toys or consumer electronics being enough to paralyze most of our politicians.)

Very true but it wouldn't even require Christmas. Let the new Iphone come out and Apple say that they only have 1,000 of them because they can't do business with their Chinese subcontractors happen and see how fast politicians start getting recalled. It would be almost as bad as Congress passing a law banning American Idol and Dancing With The Stars on the same day.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yeah we need to build more super carriers. The solution is to rebuild our military. :hmm:

And China will build a few subs for every carrier.

 

[LegendKiller]

So China will have zero repercussions for doing this next to their Asian neighbors? No economic sanctions or an Asian Union teamed together to bring the attention to UN?

This is the Obama US. We don't push other countries around, we liberalize trade with them, let the fuck us economically and militarily, then we let them fuck our jobs, our wives, our kids, and our dog for good measure.

Economic sanctions? ROFL.

Had Teddy been alive, he'd have sailed the entire PacFlt into that area and launched Red/Blue drills for 2 weeks, buzzing the shit out of those islands.

 

[LegendKiller]

The biggest problem this causes is the huge strategic gain they will have if we ever do have to face them in a war. Right now our Navy will completely dominate them. Once they have completed their plans in the SCS they will be able to deny our Navy access to the South China Sea as well as give them a huge buffer from our war planes entering China airspace from the south.

As I've always said, the Chinese are very long term thinking whereas we are very short term thinkers. Our policies change ever 4 to 8 years whereas they have 20+ year plans.

Yeah, they are such long term thinkers they built a huge statue of Mao and then tore it down. Built cities in the middle of nowhere that nobody wants to live in. Built malls that nobody shops in. Built enough steel production and flooded the world with cold rolled steel that they could cut production by 50% and still have enough. ...etc.

Tired of hearing that they plan so much. They planned so much/well that they are now in hard landing mode.

And besides, where in the hell do you think military planning as been in the last 30 years? Or the next 30 years? We have shit on the boards out for 50 years. Our Ford carriers will sail for 50+ years and are the most advanced ships in history. There isn't a single fighter that China has that can match ours and they wont have one for decades that doesn't rely on shitty Russian parts.

Just stop with this "China is invincible" trash. We heard the same thing in 1980 about Japan.