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Originally posted by: SONYFX
quote from CNN:
"In a sense, the Chinese began the space race.
The Chinese invented rockets in the 13th century, and used the so called "fire arrows" to fend off invading Mongols.
According to Chinese legend, the first person to attempt a trip into space was a 16th century man named Wan Hoo.
Wan, desiring to reach the moon, supposedly strapped 47 rockets to a wicker chair and had 47 assistants light the fuses.
Not a trace of him was found. "
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
Originally posted by: SONYFX
quote from CNN:
"In a sense, the Chinese began the space race.
The Chinese invented rockets in the 13th century, and used the so called "fire arrows" to fend off invading Mongols.
According to Chinese legend, the first person to attempt a trip into space was a 16th century man named Wan Hoo.
Wan, desiring to reach the moon, supposedly strapped 47 rockets to a wicker chair and had 47 assistants light the fuses.
Not a trace of him was found. "
haha, a true pioneer
Not really....the tech they are using is a copy of Soviet designs....the tech Clinton sold them was spy satellite related.Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The Chinese can thank Clinton for all this.
Originally posted by: jumpr
Wow, China is doing what we did 45 years ago. Communism ROCKS!!
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Not really....the tech they are using is a copy of Soviet designs....the tech Clinton sold them was spy satellite related.Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The Chinese can thank Clinton for all this.
Thanks Bill
Originally posted by: SONYFX
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Not really....the tech they are using is a copy of Soviet designs....the tech Clinton sold them was spy satellite related.Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The Chinese can thank Clinton for all this.
Thanks Bill
This shall enlighten the mindless.
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MOSCOW (AFP) Oct 12, 2003
Russia played a significant role in helping China prepare for its first manned space mission, its experts providing training facilities for cosmonauts and the Soyuz spaceship inspiring China's Shenzhu spacecraft, officials said.
"Russian enterprises have been cooperating with China in space construction since the late 1950s," Yury Grigoriev, deputy technical director at the Russian space constructor RKK Energia, told AFP.
"The Chinese have used our experience, but they have not blindly copied our technology," he said.
Preparing the manned flight, scheduled for between October 15 and 17, "the Chinese respected the principle that all the technical equipment must be produced in China," said Grigoriev, responsible for the construction of manned vessels and orbital modules.
Russia offered to sell China a scale model of the Soyuz in 1995, but the Chinese only bought the landing capsule.
"Taking our landing capsule as a basis, they created their own capsule," Grigoriev said. The Chinese spacecraft is "different from the Soyuz."
Where the Soyuz orbital module -- the section manned by cosmonauts during the flight -- burns up in the atmosphere on re-entry after detaching itself from the landing capsule, the Shenzhu's orbital module can continue to fly independently and can be considered as "the predecessor of an orbiting station," he said.
The Chinese "are likely to create their own orbiting station rather than sign on for the International Space Station," he said.
The Star City training centre for cosmonauts near Moscow trained two future Chinese cosmonauts, or "taikonauts," Wu Jie and Li Jinlong, from November 1996 to November 1997, the centre's deputy director Andrei Maiboroda told AFP.
Russian Space Agency spokesman Sergei Gorbunov said that Wu and Li would be the first Chinese men in space.
"We hope everything will go fine and that China will become the third member of the "space pilots' club" after Russia and the United States, he said.
Maiboroda said that Wu had trained as a mission commander and Li as an engineer aboard simulators of the Soyuz spaceship and the Mir space station.
The Chinese studied the theory of space flight, navigation, onboard management systems and space medicine. They also had physical and survival training for extreme environments in case they land in a forest or on water, he said.
The taikonauts passed all of their exams at the center "with good marks," Mairoboda said.
The training course "enabled the Chinese to set up their own training centre" on their return, where around a dozen cosmonauts have been trained, he noted.
Between June and August 1998, a group of four Chinese doctors trained at Star City to learn about space medicine.
"Russia's role in developing the Chinese space medicine sector was considerable. Although Russian aid accelerated the process, they could have managed without it," Russian expert Igor Lisov said.
"The Soviet Union provided ballistic missiles to China in the 1950s, but Sino-Soviet relations then deteriorated and the launch of the first Chinese satellite in 1970 was a purely Chinese success," he explained.
In Beijing, an expert on the Chinese space programme, Brian Harvey, told AFP that although Russia exercised "some influence" on Beijing, China "has developed its space programme very much by itself."
Russian reporters in the Chinese capital said that Russian space officials had asked to be invited to the Shenzhu launch but were turned down.
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Originally posted by: jumpr
Wow, China is doing what we did 45 years ago. Communism ROCKS!!
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: SONYFX
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
you guys can make fun of China all you want, but just for your information, it was the Chinese that invented the compass, gun powder, and paper.
What have they done in the last thousand years?
They have been technological superior for 2000 years.
Maybe you aren't so bright with history.
During Ming dynasty China has a navy fleet of 600+ war ships, more than the world combined at the time, they could have taken over the world. But Europe was so backward that China didn't even bother looking at them. Even today America's navy fleet is only around 300.
Err....umm.....ahhh.....WTF are you talking about?
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: jumpr
Wow, China is doing what we did 45 years ago. Communism ROCKS!!
In the macroview of history, 45 years isn't more than a little over a generation. When you have historical events that usually took places hundreds or even thousands of years apart, people in the future are goign to be looking back at this as a 'race'. But i guess for people that live in the world of 30 seconds attention span, this might not seem like an accomplishment at all.
You mean ROC?Originally posted by: rufruf44
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
you guys can make fun of China all you want, but just for your information, it was the Chinese that invented the compass, gun powder, and paper.
They are also the one that barricades themselves from the rest of the world since the Ming - Chi'ing dynasty, thinking they're the most superior being and while the european simply passed them by.
As long as the Communist party rules China, the majority of the people won't be enjoy nowhere near the luxury of people in USA or other developed country . PRC either will share the fate of the old USSR when the people realizes how messed up communism really is, or there will be civil war when the central politbiro power weakens enough.
Either way, I think India will surpass China first when it comes to technology. Global market, it might be a close one.
Originally posted by: illusion88
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: jumpr
Wow, China is doing what we did 45 years ago. Communism ROCKS!!
In the macroview of history, 45 years isn't more than a little over a generation. When you have historical events that usually took places hundreds or even thousands of years apart, people in the future are goign to be looking back at this as a 'race'. But i guess for people that live in the world of 30 seconds attention span, this might not seem like an accomplishment at all.
Well then China Deffiently lost that one.
Originally posted by: SONYFX
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
you guys can make fun of China all you want, but just for your information, it was the Chinese that invented the compass, gun powder, and paper.
What have they done in the last thousand years?
They have been technological superior for 2000 years.
Maybe you aren't so bright with history.
During Ming dynasty China has a navy fleet of 600+ war ships, more than the world combined at the time, they could have taken over the world. But Europe was so backward that China didn't even bother looking at them. Even today America's navy fleet is only around 300.
Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
And we invented the computer, what's your point?Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
you guys can make fun of China all you want, but just for your information, it was the Chinese that invented the compass, gun powder, and paper.
(More on von Neumann here)The computer structure resulting from the criteria presented in the "First Draft" is popularly known as a von Neumann Machine, and virtually all digital computers from that time forward have been based on this architecture. Link
Cliff's Note version:Originally posted by: SONYFX
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Not really....the tech they are using is a copy of Soviet designs....the tech Clinton sold them was spy satellite related.Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The Chinese can thank Clinton for all this.
Thanks Bill
This shall enlighten the mindless.
---------------------------------
MOSCOW (AFP) Oct 12, 2003
Russia played a significant role in helping China prepare for its first manned space mission, its experts providing training facilities for cosmonauts and the Soyuz spaceship inspiring China's Shenzhu spacecraft, officials said.
"Russian enterprises have been cooperating with China in space construction since the late 1950s," Yury Grigoriev, deputy technical director at the Russian space constructor RKK Energia, told AFP.
"The Chinese have used our experience, but they have not blindly copied our technology," he said.
Preparing the manned flight, scheduled for between October 15 and 17, "the Chinese respected the principle that all the technical equipment must be produced in China," said Grigoriev, responsible for the construction of manned vessels and orbital modules.
Russia offered to sell China a scale model of the Soyuz in 1995, but the Chinese only bought the landing capsule.
"Taking our landing capsule as a basis, they created their own capsule," Grigoriev said. The Chinese spacecraft is "different from the Soyuz."
Where the Soyuz orbital module -- the section manned by cosmonauts during the flight -- burns up in the atmosphere on re-entry after detaching itself from the landing capsule, the Shenzhu's orbital module can continue to fly independently and can be considered as "the predecessor of an orbiting station," he said.
The Chinese "are likely to create their own orbiting station rather than sign on for the International Space Station," he said.
The Star City training centre for cosmonauts near Moscow trained two future Chinese cosmonauts, or "taikonauts," Wu Jie and Li Jinlong, from November 1996 to November 1997, the centre's deputy director Andrei Maiboroda told AFP.
Russian Space Agency spokesman Sergei Gorbunov said that Wu and Li would be the first Chinese men in space.
"We hope everything will go fine and that China will become the third member of the "space pilots' club" after Russia and the United States, he said.
Maiboroda said that Wu had trained as a mission commander and Li as an engineer aboard simulators of the Soyuz spaceship and the Mir space station.
The Chinese studied the theory of space flight, navigation, onboard management systems and space medicine. They also had physical and survival training for extreme environments in case they land in a forest or on water, he said.
The taikonauts passed all of their exams at the center "with good marks," Mairoboda said.
The training course "enabled the Chinese to set up their own training centre" on their return, where around a dozen cosmonauts have been trained, he noted.
Between June and August 1998, a group of four Chinese doctors trained at Star City to learn about space medicine.
"Russia's role in developing the Chinese space medicine sector was considerable. Although Russian aid accelerated the process, they could have managed without it," Russian expert Igor Lisov said.
"The Soviet Union provided ballistic missiles to China in the 1950s, but Sino-Soviet relations then deteriorated and the launch of the first Chinese satellite in 1970 was a purely Chinese success," he explained.
In Beijing, an expert on the Chinese space programme, Brian Harvey, told AFP that although Russia exercised "some influence" on Beijing, China "has developed its space programme very much by itself."
Russian reporters in the Chinese capital said that Russian space officials had asked to be invited to the Shenzhu launch but were turned down.
All rights reserved. ?2003 Agence France-Presse. Sections of the information displayed on this page (dispatches, photographs, logos) are protected by intellectual property rights owned by Agence France-Presse. As a consequence, you may not copy, reproduce, modify, transmit, publish, display or in any way commercially exploit any of the content of this section without the prior written consent of Agence France-Presse.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
And it took the West to show them how to properly use it. If it weren't for Western intervention China would still just be running around chasing paper dragons through the street and firing off bottle rockets.Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
you guys can make fun of China all you want, but just for your information, it was the Chinese that invented the compass, gun powder, and paper.
Not that I have anything against the Chinese people....good folks....wife's best friend married a Chinese national while she was there teaching English. Cool guy...... Anyway....all the Chinese I have ever met have been really down to Earth normal people...it's just that their govt sucks.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Not really....the tech they are using is a copy of Soviet designs....the tech Clinton sold them was spy satellite related.Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The Chinese can thank Clinton for all this.
Thanks Bill
