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China/India - Military Power (Pictures)

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Originally posted by: raildogg

China is replacing its ancient hardware with newer ones, but slowly. Remember, China and India combined have a budget many times less than America. Just imagine that. It will take years for them to even catch up.

They might have a budget many times less but they save a lot of money by buying the latest Russian equipment while the US spends a lot of its budget researching and designing the next generation weapons like F-22, JSF, and other things. They don't have the best quality but its generations better than the T-72s the Iraqis used. So their quantity and quality I think matches or will match the US soon. That is until we finally finish replacing F-15s, F-16s with F-22s and JSFs.
 
Originally posted by: WalkingDead
Armchair generals only talk about who has shinny hardwares. The Pros talk about doctrines and logistic. The Iraqi keep losing wars is not just because they have bad hardwares but bad solders and imcompetent generals.

My point is that both india and china are currently focusing much more of their attentions on their economy than their military.

No, it really was because the tanks they had were outdated. IIRC, the iraqi tanks couldn't even shoot ours because our tank shells went much further than theirs.
 
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: Aimster
Does Israel make the Merkava? Is it based on any platform?
It looks very nice.


I will upload pictures from:
Pakistan, Iran, Greece, Turkey, South Korea tonight.

-Does anyone have information on the Iraq army before the Gulf War? What kind of air defense systems did they have? S-200?

Yeah Israel does make the Merkava.

Do you have any Iranian pics, I'm going to look for the Iraqi Army before the first golf war.

Edit: My father friend is an Revolutionary guard Air force commander, I would like to know what kind of toys he's playing with.

Here you go. The problem with the Iranian military is that they have a hard time finding suppliers so they have to make their own weapons. Although capable of doing the job, they are not going to be the best in the world.

The Iranian Air Force is old. They have Around 30-60 F-14s and a handful of F-4s and Mig-29s. The only positive thing about the F-14 is that the F-14s radar can see much further than current jets (wrong? right? - read that on a defense forum).

Iranian made weapons:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/01rsh2.jpg (torpedos)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/zoobin2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/zoobin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/unmannedhelo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/tazareve2.jpg (jet trainer)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/tazareve1.jpg (jet trainer)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/t72b.jpg (tank)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/T72a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/qadr2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/qadr1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Qadr.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/percisionbig.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/percision1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/paykan.jpg (being built - frigate?)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Newmissiles.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/lightuav.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/kite2000.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Torpedo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/shafaq5.jpg (Iranian Jet)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/sattar4.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/midgsub2.jpg (sub)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Noor.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/midgitsubmarine.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/kosar.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranUAV.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/azarakhsh2.jpg (Iranian made F-4)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/azarakhsh.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/azarakhashb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/khaybartest.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/khaybar2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/khaybar1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranM16.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/plootproof1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/blootproof2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranmissilepic2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Iranmissilepic1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranhelo8Dual.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranhelo6Shabavizzz.jpg (only one I like)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Iranhelo5Shabavizz.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Iranhelo1SHAHED.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Shahed274.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Irancobra2.jpg (Iranian made Cobra)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Irancobra.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Irancobra1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Sayyad1.gif
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/CShahabsagheb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Cmisagh1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Iranqard.jpg (Copied:S-200 Missile)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/CC1a.jpg (Copied: Air Defense/Radar)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/CC1.jpg (Copied: Air Defense)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/BBSM1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/BBlongerhawk2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/BBlongerhawk.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/BBiranhawk3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/AARaad.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/AAAgun.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Shab3.jpg (Shab-3)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/AARPGmini2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/AAminiRPG.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/ANewToof.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/improvedRPG.jpg

Tanks, Ground, Etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranianmadejeep.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/takavarjeep.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/Kobra.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/sayyad.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/zol3.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranarmour2.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/zolfaghar1.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/iranianT72.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/raad2b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/raad2a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/lighttank.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/artilary.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/multipix.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/zelzal2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/nazeat6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/fajr5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/fajr3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Auction4B/IranMLARS.jpg

Iranian Tank Factory

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/4756/dpht3us.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/1323/peht3na.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/1395/pfgfht8tv.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/977/phdt4kf.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/2614/phewt6kr.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/4493/wpht4cc.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/1466/rpht2ge.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/7269/pweht1gf.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/8285/pht1gb.jpg
http://www.mehrnews.com/mehr_media/image/2005/01/112744_orig.jpg

As far as weapons Iran imported. They have a handful of S-200 S-300 and other air defense systems from Russia. They have imported Radar from India and China. Missiles from China and a few older Su- Jets from Russia.

 
Aimster, the 79 F-14's Iran has are all out-of-order. The American engineers who were in Iran prior to the 1979 revolution disabled the planes. As you well know, without spare parts and equipment from America, those F-14's are useless.

We gave Iran F-14's when the Shah was in power, but after he was overthrown, they all became inoperable. Noone is sure why. But most say due to sabotage by American engineers in Iran at that time training the Iranians. Iran is developing a new fighter aircraft, however. It'll be a stealth fighter.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: WalkingDead
Armchair generals only talk about who has shinny hardwares. The Pros talk about doctrines and logistic. The Iraqi keep losing wars is not just because they have bad hardwares but bad solders and imcompetent generals.

My point is that both india and china are currently focusing much more of their attentions on their economy than their military.

No, it really was because the tanks they had were outdated. IIRC, the iraqi tanks couldn't even shoot ours because our tank shells went much further than theirs.
That is so sad.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Aimster, the 79 F-14's Iran has are all out-of-order. The American engineers who were in Iran prior to the 1979 revolution disabled the planes. As you well know, without spare parts and equipment from America, those F-14's are useless.

We gave Iran F-14's when the Shah was in power, but after he was overthrown, they all became inoperable. Noone is sure why. But most say due to sabotage by American engineers in Iran at that time training the Iranians. Iran is developing a new fighter aircraft, however. It'll be a stealth fighter.

The F-14s were used in the Iran-Iraq War (Iran, 1980-1988).
The American engineers and Iranians loyal to the Shah were said to have disabled the Phoenix missile systems.
Iran lost 2 F-14s during the war (1 by a Mig and another I believe because of a malfunction)

During the Iran-Iraq war Iran had problems keeping more than 6-15 of these planes in the air at one time. Around the mid-80s Iran had run out of missiles for the jets. They were then used primarily for early warning systems for the F-4s.

I don't know if the missiles Iran produces can work/fit into the F-14s they have right now, but they did run out of the weapons in the mid-80s.

According to Iranian officials who were in the war, Iran was able to keep F-14s in the air with the lack of spare parts by cannibalization. Just how many Jets they have now is not known, but estimates say more than half are being used for spares.

Rumors say that the Iranian F-14s have been fitted with Russian made engine and ejection seat and now has the capability to launch air-to-surface anti-ship missiles


 
Turkey Military
http://gallery.koroshiya.net/albums/30-...-2004-Military-Parade/AIFV_2.sized.jpg
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1. That pic is fake.

2. Go search for American Military Victories on google. First thing that comes up is French Military Victories. LOL. PWNED.
 
Blah, it's all about strategy. Just because you have the latest/greatest hardware, it doesn't mean you automatically win.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that the Chinese military only have small fraction of their forces armed with those "latest" import weapons. Most of them probably have 60-70 era weapons. However, if they EVER (I highly doubt this will happen, as it's politically/economically STUPID ) had to start a war in a specific theater such as Taiwan, they'll deploy their latest stuff.
 
Originally posted by: Proletariat
1. That pic is fake.

2. Go search for American Military Victories on google. First thing that comes up is French Military Victories. LOL. PWNED.

I know it's fake.
 
Originally posted by: Proletariat
1. That pic is fake.

2. Go search for American Military Victories on google. First thing that comes up is French Military Victories. LOL. PWNED.

Keep in mind, America is a very young country, but we have fought more wars and won than any other country in the past 300 years. We defeated Great Britain twice. We defeated the Soviet Union and Japan. We also played a huge role in liberating Europe from Nazi Germany. WW1 was a victory. I consider the Civil War a American victory as it kept America together and the rebel forces were defeated. Vietnam was a failure, more of a political failure rather than a military failure. In fact, we could have kept bombing, shelling and destroying Vietnam infinitely if we wanted to. We defeated Iraq twice.

Name me some French victories please. In the past 300 years, if you want to compare them to America.

What does that mean? America literally won WW2 while the French surrendered right away when Germany invaded them, like they have surrendered many times in their past.

The reason why France is so anti-US is because they envy our success, our power and the fact that their military is nowhere near as good as ours. Can you imagine any other country spending $1 billion per week on occupation? Plus we have airbases and troops deployed in all regions of the globe.

From Japan to Afghanistan, from Turkey to Uzbekistan, from Kyrgyzhstan to Germany. We have a small elite specialist team in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia now. So in other words we have Russia surrounded from all sides 🙂
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Proletariat
1. That pic is fake.

2. Go search for American Military Victories on google. First thing that comes up is French Military Victories. LOL. PWNED.

What does that mean? America literally won WW2 while the French surrendered right away when Germany invaded them, like they have surrendered many times in their past.

The reason why France is so anti-US is because they envy our success, our power and the fact that their military is nowhere near as good as ours. Can you imagine any other country spending $1 billion per week on occupation? Plus we have airbases and troops deployed in all regions of the globe.

From Japan to Afghanistan, from Turkey to Uzbekistan, from Kyrgyzhstan to Germany. We have a small elite specialist team in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia now. So in other words we have Russia surrounded from all sides 🙂
I don't think they care all that much about Military spending dude. I've been there. They think, act, and live differently. Honestly I wasn't being Anti-American, I just find it disheartening that so many people make fun of them incessantly just because they disagreed with us.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg

Keep in mind, America is a very young country, but we have fought more wars and won than any other country in the past 300 years. We defeated Great Britain twice. We defeated the Soviet Union and Japan. We also played a huge role in liberating Europe from Nazi Germany. WW1 was a victory. I consider the Civil War a American victory as it kept America together and the rebel forces were defeated. Vietnam was a failure, more of a political failure rather than a military failure. In fact, we could have kept bombing, shelling and destroying Vietnam infinitely if we wanted to. We defeated Iraq twice.

How did the US defeat Great Britain twice? You're not counting the War of 1812, are you? That was basically a draw.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Proletariat
1. That pic is fake.

2. Go search for American Military Victories on google. First thing that comes up is French Military Victories. LOL. PWNED.

Keep in mind, America is a very young country, but we have fought more wars and won than any other country in the past 300 years. We defeated Great Britain twice. We defeated the Soviet Union and Japan. We also played a huge role in liberating Europe from Nazi Germany. WW1 was a victory. I consider the Civil War a American victory as it kept America together and the rebel forces were defeated. Vietnam was a failure, more of a political failure rather than a military failure. In fact, we could have kept bombing, shelling and destroying Vietnam infinitely if we wanted to. We defeated Iraq twice.

Name me some French victories please. In the past 300 years, if you want to compare them to America.

What does that mean? America literally won WW2 while the French surrendered right away when Germany invaded them, like they have surrendered many times in their past.

The reason why France is so anti-US is because they envy our success, our power and the fact that their military is nowhere near as good as ours. Can you imagine any other country spending $1 billion per week on occupation? Plus we have airbases and troops deployed in all regions of the globe.

From Japan to Afghanistan, from Turkey to Uzbekistan, from Kyrgyzhstan to Germany. We have a small elite specialist team in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia now. So in other words we have Russia surrounded from all sides 🙂

That's why almost all countries resent us, not just France.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: raildogg

Keep in mind, America is a very young country, but we have fought more wars and won than any other country in the past 300 years. We defeated Great Britain twice. We defeated the Soviet Union and Japan. We also played a huge role in liberating Europe from Nazi Germany. WW1 was a victory. I consider the Civil War a American victory as it kept America together and the rebel forces were defeated. Vietnam was a failure, more of a political failure rather than a military failure. In fact, we could have kept bombing, shelling and destroying Vietnam infinitely if we wanted to. We defeated Iraq twice.

How did the US defeat Great Britain twice? You're not counting the War of 1812, are you? That was basically a draw.

The USA won...USA got the better end of the deal and Great Britain never took us over.
 
Are any of these countries(excluding Soviet Russia) developing stealth based fighters/bombers? Im just amazed that we developed the F-117A Nighthawk in the 70's! IIRC.

Any pics of Japan? You would think with all the other hi-tech hardware they have made in other industries, that their military would be on par.
 
Originally posted by: AnImuS
Are any of these countries(excluding Soviet Russia) developing stealth based fighters/bombers? Im just amazed that we developed the F-117A Nighthawk in the 70's! IIRC.

Any pics of Japan? You would think with all the other hi-tech hardware they have made in other industries, that their military would be on par.

We have secret aircraft developed and under development that you have seen in Star Wars, Star Trek or anywhere else. We are 50 years ahead of our time, in terms of developming the next generation types of planes. Lockheed Martin's ex-CEO who is now deceased admitted that. Those secret airbases are not there to just sit there and waste money. There is a reason why the government is so secretive about Area-51 and other sites.

Way ahead of our time.

China, India, Russia are all developing stealth fighters. Not bombers. China is developing the J-10 I believe and India is developing the MCA (Medium Combat Aircraft). A 5th generation fighter jet called the "Pak Fa" is being co-developed by Russia and India.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
They might have a budget many times less but they save a lot of money by buying the latest Russian equipment while the US spends a lot of its budget researching and designing the next generation weapons like F-22, JSF, and other things. They don't have the best quality but its generations better than the T-72s the Iraqis used. So their quantity and quality I think matches or will match the US soon. That is until we finally finish replacing F-15s, F-16s with F-22s and JSFs.
McCain just proposed cutting F-22 Raptor program completely and diverting freed funds over to Iraq/Afghanistan war expense account. Not a very good idea if you ask me. We need money for new projects, some of them have been on hold too long. I hate to bust raildogg's bubble, but the US ability to bomb some country forever is much overstated, the US ran out of Tomohawk missles in first weeks of attack on Iraq, and out of artillery shells and bullets couple of months after. Our company supplies Boeing and Raytheon, these guys were pushing new orders like crazy in mid 2003, because Army stock was getting depleted.
 
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