China High Speed Bullet Train Struck by lightening and then rear ended by another...

[Thump553]

It will be interesting to see how this story develops. There is a lot of talk in China about coverups and corruption in this project. Apparently the government destroyed and buried the damaged traincars within hours of the accident "in order to protect proprietary Chinese technology" (interesting statement, coming from the largest intellectual property thieves in the world).

Can you imagine if the US government actively destroyed airliner wreckage rather paintakingly collecting and preserving it in order to investigate the accidents?

Just one more bit of proof that a monolithic government (regardless of its underlying philosophy) will ALWAYS be wrong in the end.

 

[ShawnD1]

Rosswell 1958!!!

 

[Acanthus]

They stole the ip of that rail system from a japanese company who they promised would be able to build all the rail in china. I forget the company but it was one of the big ones we all know.

There's precedent for that as well.

They stole locomotive engineering designs from GE after agreeing to buy thousands of them. After getting schematics for the approval process the Chinese lowered their order to a couple dozen and built the rest themselves.

It screwed Erie, PA pretty badly. They lost over 2500 jobs.

 

[rchiu]

No it's not but I partly blame the media for creating these competitive attitudes among nationalists like a777. Story after story is about China this and China that. You even see suckers here lauding the Chinese educational system when Chinese try to come to the US for school and not vice versa. This is just another reminder that China is over-hyped. They're still a developing country and story after story about fault production / engineering shows this.

Well there are two level to this whole China thing. At the top, there is the Chinese Communist party filled with corrupt aholes who build up this national high speed railway system as their trophy project while ignoring safety, borrowing money excessively and filling up their pocket through deals and kick back from companies. When accident happened, they ignored their duty to save people first and worry about destroying evidence instead.

But at the bottom, there is the driver on the second train. Instead of running for his life, he held the break handle to the last minute and died from the handle piercing his heart. There are billions of diligent working class building the mass railway, and everything from low price toys and clothes to high end PC components and semi-conductor chips. And unlike the westerns who spend like drunk sailors and borrow excessively, Chinese save and spend on education and infrastructure.

I wouldn't dismiss the whole Chinese phenomena. Japan and Korea used to make cheap and faulty stuff, but eventually they surpassed US products in quality. No question China has a disgusting political system dominated by one party and corrupt alliance between the politicians and top businesses. But they also have some of the hardest working, money saving population, just like Japan/Korea during they rapid development era. Let's see which side wins out, the politicians or the everyday Chinese.

 

[Kadarin]

There's precedent for that as well.

They stole locomotive engineering designs from GE after agreeing to buy thousands of them. After getting schematics for the approval process the Chinese lowered their order to a couple dozen and built the rest themselves.

It screwed Erie, PA pretty badly. They lost over 2500 jobs.

Why ANY company would enter into a "strategic partnership" with a mainland Chinese corporation is beyond me. They are not our friends, and are not interested in mutually beneficial relationships.

Let me guess: The GE exec who signed off on this disaster is either still working for GE, or has left with a multimillion dollar golden parachute.

 

[Infohawk]

Japan and Korea used to make cheap and faulty stuff, but eventually they surpassed US products in quality.

I never said that Chinese will never amount to anything. I'm just saying right now they're at the cheap/low quality phase and also they are overhyped. (And personally I don't buy into the Japanese and Koreans make better stuff than the US.)

 

[CFP]

It will be interesting to see how this story develops. There is a lot of talk in China about coverups and corruption in this project. Apparently the government destroyed and buried the damaged traincars within hours of the accident "in order to protect proprietary Chinese technology" (interesting statement, coming from the largest intellectual property thieves in the world).

Can you imagine if the US government actively destroyed airliner wreckage rather paintakingly collecting and preserving it in order to investigate the accidents?

Just one more bit of proof that a monolithic government (regardless of its underlying philosophy) will ALWAYS be wrong in the end.

I don't know how much news you get about the China railway but here are some interesting points:

A carriage was buried with bodies still in it, unrecovered.

The last survivor to be rescued, a 2 yr old girl, happened 20 hours after the crack. A police chief disobeyed orders and continued searching. He later clarified that he was not ordered to stop searching. Interesting.

 

[halik]

It will be interesting to see how this story develops. There is a lot of talk in China about coverups and corruption in this project. Apparently the government destroyed and buried the damaged traincars within hours of the accident "in order to protect proprietary Chinese technology" (interesting statement, coming from the largest intellectual property thieves in the world).

Can you imagine if the US government actively destroyed airliner wreckage rather paintakingly collecting and preserving it in order to investigate the accidents?

Just one more bit of proof that a monolithic government (regardless of its underlying philosophy) will ALWAYS be wrong in the end.

Didn't they steal virtually all the technology form Siemens?

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't know how much news you get about the China railway but here are some interesting points:

A carriage was buried with bodies still in it, unrecovered.

The last survivor to be rescued, a 2 yr old girl, happened 20 hours after the crack. A police chief disobeyed orders and continued searching. He later clarified that he was not ordered to stop searching. Interesting.

You need to link a source for that... just sayin'...

 

[Schadenfroh]

You need to link a source for that... just sayin'...

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/07/25/china-caught-burying-crashed-train-cars

 

[Jhhnn]

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/07/25/china-caught-burying-crashed-train-cars

Thank you. That doesn't say that unrecovered bodies were buried in the carriages, at all. What it does say is this-

raise the possibility that the bodies of some of the victims remain inside the carriages

Which is pure speculation, at best.

 

[CitizenKain]

RIP victims. God bless their souls

muahahaha, idiot Chinese "scientists"... all they are are crappy reverse engineers. madafakin a$$h0les don't even know how to copy sh1t. They copied the trains and the tracks but forgot to copy the safety features. Morons are planning to sell "their technology" to other nations. Lets see how that flies now beaches. Nothing against the poor Chinese people who have to endure all this crap, but I hope their govt dies a also and painful death.

/supergloat@chinese.gov

It's like you have a competition with yourself to make each post your dumbest yet. Then again, Texans.

 

[CFP]

You need to link a source for that... just sayin'...

I don't read online news. It was in the paper here in Hong Kong with photographs to boot.


It's unlikely that information like this really makes it into papers in the US, but we're technically part of China, and we get incredibly thorough reporting on China.

But for the sake of adding substance:

Cop on disobeying orders, then swiftly "clarifying": 1, 2

People still in the carriage when being buried: 1

No mention of the train being searched after being pulled off the viaduct before being rolled into a ditch... 1+1=...

 

[Jhhnn]

As I watched the vids, it seems to me that there's no real evidence of anything being buried, but rather moved away from the viaduct. Even the pic with the cranes & debris looks more like they're digging than covering up... The pile of dirt with wreckage mixed in is completely incongruous to the idea of wreckage being buried...

What I sense is chumps being sucked in by speculation & misrepresentation of facts not in evidence... not to mention that sure as hell doesn't look like a bullet train to me...

http://www.google.com/search?q=chin...ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1662&bih=831

 

[CFP]

[...]Wang Yongping, a spokesman for the Ministry of Railways.

Asked why workers buried part of the wreckage, Wang said: "It is because the environment of the scene is very complicated. There is soggy ground underneath. It was very inconvenient to mount a rescue operation.

"They also had to deal with other carriages, so they buried a front carriage to facilitate the rescue effort. That is their explanation. Irrespective of whether you believe it or not, I believe it."

What chumps! I don't know about you, but if bodies are falling out of carriages while they are being knocked off the viaduct, and then rolled into ditches, it still brings up the question: Why weren't the bodies cleared out first?

Presumably to clear the tracks for the next day resuming of train services. Either way, it all stinks. Where there is smoke, there is a fire.

Of course, the clips you watched seemed not to show nay evidence, and the clips you watched gives you complete 100% knowledge.... I don't care that you remain skeptical, but your take on some videos you watched is hardly going to convince me or any other here about the dozens of articles and footage we see of carriages being buried, of people crying out why their loved ones were not found or recovered on scene, why the search was called off after 20 hours DESPITE an alive 2 year old being found on the 20th hour, etc. etc.

 

[DesiPower]

It's like you have a competition with yourself to make each post your dumbest yet. Then again, Texans.

Yes, I try very hard, thanks for noticing...

 

[Schadenfroh]

The Ministry of Truth has begun to erase and rewrite the collective memory of this incident:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f08e9f8-bb55-11e0-a7c8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1TmZE1k7O

On Thursday, Premier Wen Jiabao visited the crash site and pledged transparency in investigating the disaster. Then on Friday night, the propaganda authorities issued an order to newspaper and internet editors ordering them to tone down their coverage.
...
Chinese newspapers, which last week defied government censors, were forced to scrap pages of coverage of the Wenzhou rail crash at the last minute on Friday night, after the Communist party’s propaganda organ issued an order restricting crash coverage that was not “positive”.
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Editors “are not allowed to publish any reports or commentaries, except positive news or information released by the authorities”, the government statement said.
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Chinese newspapers, which last week defied government censors, were forced to scrap pages of coverage of the Wenzhou rail crash at the last minute on Friday night, after the Communist party’s propaganda organ issued an order restricting crash coverage that was not “positive”.

That is right, order the media to remove any news or history that might show that the leadership is corrupt, incompetent or uncompassionate. Bury any physical evidence without trying to understand what went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again. Anything critical of the Communist Party is surely foreign influence / propaganda that tries to undermine Chinese unity...

One has to love state media and single party politics.

 

[Svnla]

More fall outs:

Lawyers ordered NOT to represent train crash victims and families = http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/n...red-not-to-represent-train-crash-victims.html

Media blackout = http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/world/asia/01crackdown.html

 

[DesiPower]

Why dont they just round up the families and relatives of all the victims and put them in some experimental gas chamber...

 

[Xellos2099]

I don't know how much news you get about the China railway but here are some interesting points:

A carriage was buried with bodies still in it, unrecovered.

The last survivor to be rescued, a 2 yr old girl, happened 20 hours after the crack. A police chief disobeyed orders and continued searching. He later clarified that he was not ordered to stop searching. Interesting.

I read about this too in the chinese newspaper and website. It is also said the police chief and the railway supervisor get into a fist fight in order to search the trail before they dump it. It is rumored the entire high speed railway network system is completely faulty and most likely some head will roll over this. Another rumnor is that the driver only have 10 days of training while in Japan, similar driver require 6 month + training.

The whole lighting thing is stupid and stink. How can anyone in the command center NOT notice that one of the train signal is missing? To be honest, China is a country NEED to be destroy to have any future and I feel ashame to be call a Chinese... I prefer the term Hong Kongist. There are WAY too many incident... poison milk, poison egg, poison jelly and seasoning and now this. The country as a whole have no morale and deems human lives is expendable due to the facts they got way too much human being already. It has been proven that the upper management of the government is completely corrupted.

 

[al981]

It will be interesting to see how this story develops. There is a lot of talk in China about coverups and corruption in this project. Apparently the government destroyed and buried the damaged traincars within hours of the accident "in order to protect proprietary Chinese technology" (interesting statement, coming from the largest intellectual property thieves in the world).

Can you imagine if the US government actively destroyed airliner wreckage rather paintakingly collecting and preserving it in order to investigate the accidents?

Just one more bit of proof that a monolithic government (regardless of its underlying philosophy) will ALWAYS be wrong in the end.

Oh, that's funny...

Given the fact the US government lied and covered up the TWA Flight 800 missile strike "accident". Even the eyewitnesses are on record stating the US government lied its ass off, calling the official version of events a "cartoon" and "ludicrous": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRYvGVJOYI#t=21m5s

Terribad memory, or intentional ignorance? I'm betting none of you American posters will have the guts to acknowledge those corroborating eyewitness accounts destroying the official lie

All governments lie and participate in large scale cover-ups. China rarely tries to hide the fact they are covering it up... they're so corrupt it seems don't really give a shit! Yet Americans love to be duped and continually lie to themselves in order to hang on to the fantasy image of their crumbling debt ridden empire :biggrin:

Since none of you will acknowledge the TWA cover-up, here are some more failed American cover-ups to make you stew:

US Government assassinated Martin Luther King Jr, and all ballistics reports can't seem to connect the official rifle to the official bullet.
http://articles.cnn.com/1997-07-11/...es-earl-ray-rifle-judge-joseph-brown?_s=PM:US

Even Corretta Scott King called bullshit before she passed away. Good for you, ma'am:
http://www.thekingcenter.org/kingcenter/Transcript_press_conference.aspx

etc, etc. 9/11, JFK, Weapons of mass deception. All blatant lies, assassination of its own citizens, and grand scale cover-ups ... but but but China steals IP! heavens no!

 

[al981]

I read about this too in the chinese newspaper and website. It is also said the police chief and the railway supervisor get into a fist fight in order to search the trail before they dump it. It is rumored the entire high speed railway network system is completely faulty and most likely some head will roll over this. Another rumnor is that the driver only have 10 days of training while in Japan, similar driver require 6 month + training.

The whole lighting thing is stupid and stink. How can anyone in the command center NOT notice that one of the train signal is missing? To be honest, China is a country NEED to be destroy to have any future and I feel ashame to be call a Chinese... I prefer the term Hong Kongist. There are WAY too many incident... poison milk, poison egg, poison jelly and seasoning and now this. The country as a whole have no morale and deems human lives is expendable due to the facts they got way too much human being already. It has been proven that the upper management of the government is completely corrupted.

Hong Kongist? Lulz found. Or more accurately white washed British ignorant of his ethnic history? At least, that's what chinese / taiwanese call "hong kongists". white washed.

Perhaps you should pick up a history book and examine China's decline the past few centuries and reason for their current corruption, mainly due to foreign powers invading, occupying, and displacing Chinese rule of law (including the british who stole Hong Kong for over a century, but where's britain now? a dead empire )

 

[al981]

Why dont they just round up the families and relatives of all the victims and put them in some experimental gas chamber...

that's what america did to the presidential kennedy family line

 

[Xellos2099]

Hong Kongist? Lulz found. Or more accurately white washed British ignorant of his ethnic history? At least, that's what chinese / taiwanese call "hong kongists". white washed.

Perhaps you should pick up a history book and examine China's decline the past few centuries and reason for their current corruption, mainly due to foreign powers invading, occupying, and displacing Chinese rule of law (including the british who stole Hong Kong for over a century, but where's britain now? a dead empire )

How about it is about pride that we see happen in The Tiananmen Square Massacre while people in china nowsday don't and even try to deny it ever happen? China is corrupt to the core due to its political party, not from some foreigner century ago. And while people in China is thinking of another scam to kill people with poison; Hong Kong is a center of business, food and entertainment?

 

[al981]

How about it is about pride that we see happen in The Tiananmen Square Massacre while people in china nowsday don't and even try to deny it ever happen? China is corrupt to the core due to its political party, not from some foreigner century ago. And while people in China is thinking of another scam to kill people with poison; Hong Kong is a center of business, food and entertainment?

supressing a rebellion? any country worth a damn would be doing the exact same thing. look at america and how it systematically eliminated any dissenting leaders through conspiracy assassinations of MLK and JFK (feel free to acknowledge to ballistics link in post #71. inc dodge i bet!@ )

china is corrupt to its core, just like this model "democracy" you call america. read the headline news lately? conveniently ignored post 71? and lmfao at your poison argument. ever read the jungle, son? read up on how / why the FDA was created.