Chickens raised in the Matrix

[busydude]

No, I stopped about 8 months ago. However, I would presumably make an exception if I knew exactly where it was coming from (but I don't really like meat anymore so.. maybe not even then).

This post is not in reply to you personally, just expressing my thoughts on the subject.

I was born in a family of vegetarians(Lacto Vegetarians to be precise). I don't really care what others eat. I fucking hate activists on either side.. like PeTA and people who make fun of vegans/vegetarians.

If you are compassionate about animals.. why stop at killing them humanely? Why not stop eating them completely? Why worry about the two seconds of pain the animal is going to experience? Why check if the meat is Halal/kosher? It is all going to taste the same.

My point is.. why go halfhearted about it? Why do people cry foul when Asians have dogs in their menu? How many people have fish as their pets and eat fish without much thought? Why do people have so many double standards on such a trivial matter?

I don't fucking care what you eat.. and I expect the same from you.

I like Sagalore, what I don't like.. is you deciding what the society should eat or not eat.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Genetic engineering

Early on it might not be genetic. I keep imagining a machine that you put the chick's head into. One quick and precise cut later, the chick goes limp (or has involuntary spasms, not sure). That moment would mark the time that the chicken is "killed", while the actual slaughtering would occur later. If the process could be automated to the point that chicks can be run through it as fast as you can run paper through a stapler, it might be worthwhile even without genetic engineering.

 

[Red Squirrel]

While this sounds creepy, if everything said is tru, and that they really would not really "know" they exist, then I'm for it. This is a step towards growing meat in the same way as plants. I really think that is the future of meat. Rather than raise an animal that is fully alive and self aware, the meat would be grown just like a plant, and harvested. They can grow skin tissue and stuff for medical use, so I'm sure this concept is not that far off.

 

[TXHokie]

The big question is will it still taste like chicken?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

I was watching the London Marathon and saw one runner dressed as a chicken and another runner dressed as an egg.

I thought: 'This could be interesting

 

[SlitheryDee]

I was watching the London Marathon and saw one runner dressed as a chicken and another runner dressed as an egg.

I thought: 'This could be interesting

I was watching an adult movie and saw one (ahem) actor dressed as a chicken and another dressed as and egg.


I thought: 'This could be interesting

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

I was watching an adult movie and saw one (ahem) actor dressed as a chicken and another dressed as and egg.


I thought: 'This could be interesting

A chicken and an egg walk into a bar.
The barman says, "Right, who's first?"

 

[Jeff7]

I didn't read the article or all the comments in full so maybe this is an old thought but...why not take it a step further and find a way to clone animals that don't have brains to begin with?

Notice I said clone, not breed, obviously this would not be a desirable trait to let escape into the wild animal population and the standard domesticated animal population.

I really don't think that an animal without a brain is going to present any kind of escape risk, nor would it do very well as a member of a breeding population.

 

[I Saw OJ]

I really don't think that an animal without a brain is going to present any kind of escape risk, nor would it do very well as a member of a breeding population.

Britney Spears begs to differ.

 

[mcmilljb]

Can we get electricity from them like the humans in the Matrix? Double win if they do. lol

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Can we get electricity from them like the humans in the Matrix? Double win if they do. lol

Yes about 1000000 chickens running on a chicken size hamster wheel can power the lights of a nuclear power plant for a year

 

[destrekor]

Yea.

As a society we need to learn how to eat less meat, not find ways to eat more of it.

uhh.... no.

What we need is more inventive means of agriculture and livestock handling that both allows them room to free-range and exercise the muscles (thus, they taste better)... we cannot abandon animals, unless we can completely synthesize the entire biochemical makeup and shape "cuts" of meat that way... the only solution, at least, if we cannot continue to give room to livestock. We cannot abandon our genetic makeup, and I refuse to buy into this vege/vegan bullshit.... I refuse to accept that we must turn our backs on our own lineage and abandon our way of life. Make sure I'm dead before we ever move to such a world.

What we need is better population control, and/or another place to put more humans. We also have to build up (and down?) and move to vertical/roof-top agriculture across the planet, and pack more humans in large dwellings like that as well, if we refuse to control population and/or regularly kill ourselves off (hmm: suicide booths should also be legal, we might naturally self-regulate our population without even thinking about it.)

Unless, of course, we can genetically modify ourselves and create our own evolutionary path as we deem fit... but you have to kill off all the religious nutjobs preventing the funding for such research in the first place.

We honestly need to start forcing better feed solutions for livestock as well. All this grain bullshit we feed to our livestock is not effective - well, it is, in that we can mass-produce and provide a ton of meat, but it's low-quality and lacking essential nutrients that free-range animals get from a natural diet. They can live, but we are then forced to look for yet more sources of nutrition (or... we don't, and end up with a host of minor diseases/syndromes (sometimes major) that leads to a stagnant civilization that has to spend far more time and resources just making sure people keep healthy and sane.

 

[her209]

The big question is will it still taste like chicken?

There is no chicken.

 

[Howard]

I'd actually say over the progress of the past few thousand years, we've done nothing but make meat more unhealthy lol.

When was the last time supermarket meat made you sick?

 

[bfdd]

I support this.

 

[destrekor]

When was the last time supermarket meat made you sick?

In America, it's actually very easy to not get the right ratio of Essential Fatty Acids in your diet, especially during youth.
You'd be surprised how common various neurotransmitter imbalances (and neural/cellular deficiencies, and serum lipids, and ophthalmic health, etc etc etc etc etc) currently are, and how many of these issues directly relate to specifically how livestock is raised.

Of course, that could all be quite wrong - but most research is pointing exactly to such, and the body of evidence seems to only grow in support of that concept. In fact, as the physiological research continues, more and more is directly co-related to quality of food, from fetus to adult life, and life-long health.

Some of the issues are directly observable (if tested) as a physical symptom/disease (blood pressure and lipids in serum, eyes, skin, joints, what have you), but many cases of minor-to-decently obvious mental health conditions can also be improved simply by changing up the diet.

Essential Fatty Acids, of various types, are crucial to many developmental processes in the body (which is why it is so critical for a fetus and infants/youth), but that development is still occurring for adults.
Omega-3 ALA is a terrific example, and the longer-chain DHA and EPA (fish oil) are great too, though the body can make a decent amount of those from ALA, but ALA cannot be made at all - a very, very very important EFA that is basically absent from most grain-fed livestock, which typically have an improper Omega 3/6/9 ratio (you want more 3s than 6s and 9s combined - most beef is reverse of that). Properly fed on their natural grazing diet, on the right grasses too, and they typically have a healthier balance of the Omegas, and less saturated fats to boot (which aren't evil, but not great in excess unless highly active).
As for other livestock, I cannot accurately state the situation in regards to EFAs. But grain will rarely ever provide a good Omega-3 profile in our livestock.

 

[zCypher]

In America, it's actually very easy to not get the right ratio of Essential Fatty Acids in your diet, especially during youth.
You'd be surprised how common various neurotransmitter imbalances (and neural/cellular deficiencies, and serum lipids, and ophthalmic health, etc etc etc etc etc) currently are, and how many of these issues directly relate to specifically how livestock is raised.

Of course, that could all be quite wrong - but most research is pointing exactly to such, and the body of evidence seems to only grow in support of that concept. In fact, as the physiological research continues, more and more is directly co-related to quality of food, from fetus to adult life, and life-long health.

Some of the issues are directly observable (if tested) as a physical symptom/disease (blood pressure and lipids in serum, eyes, skin, joints, what have you), but many cases of minor-to-decently obvious mental health conditions can also be improved simply by changing up the diet.

Essential Fatty Acids, of various types, are crucial to many developmental processes in the body (which is why it is so critical for a fetus and infants/youth), but that development is still occurring for adults.
Omega-3 ALA is a terrific example, and the longer-chain DHA and EPA (fish oil) are great too, though the body can make a decent amount of those from ALA, but ALA cannot be made at all - a very, very very important EFA that is basically absent from most grain-fed livestock, which typically have an improper Omega 3/6/9 ratio (you want more 3s than 6s and 9s combined - most beef is reverse of that). Properly fed on their natural grazing diet, on the right grasses too, and they typically have a healthier balance of the Omegas, and less saturated fats to boot (which aren't evil, but not great in excess unless highly active).
As for other livestock, I cannot accurately state the situation in regards to EFAs. But grain will rarely ever provide a good Omega-3 profile in our livestock.

Best post so far. People have this notion that if you swallow it and it doesn't immediately make you hurl, that it's healthy for you. Anyway, back on topic - if they can make less suffering and it tastes like real chicken, maybe it's not so bad.

It does seem disturbing at face value though.

 

[theeedude]

They did. It was made of poop


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/japanese-scientists-create-meat-from-poop/

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

I love cats... they taste just like chicken.

 

[yhelothar]

In America, it's actually very easy to not get the right ratio of Essential Fatty Acids in your diet, especially during youth.
You'd be surprised how common various neurotransmitter imbalances (and neural/cellular deficiencies, and serum lipids, and ophthalmic health, etc etc etc etc etc) currently are, and how many of these issues directly relate to specifically how livestock is raised.

Of course, that could all be quite wrong - but most research is pointing exactly to such, and the body of evidence seems to only grow in support of that concept. In fact, as the physiological research continues, more and more is directly co-related to quality of food, from fetus to adult life, and life-long health.

Some of the issues are directly observable (if tested) as a physical symptom/disease (blood pressure and lipids in serum, eyes, skin, joints, what have you), but many cases of minor-to-decently obvious mental health conditions can also be improved simply by changing up the diet.

Essential Fatty Acids, of various types, are crucial to many developmental processes in the body (which is why it is so critical for a fetus and infants/youth), but that development is still occurring for adults.
Omega-3 ALA is a terrific example, and the longer-chain DHA and EPA (fish oil) are great too, though the body can make a decent amount of those from ALA, but ALA cannot be made at all - a very, very very important EFA that is basically absent from most grain-fed livestock, which typically have an improper Omega 3/6/9 ratio (you want more 3s than 6s and 9s combined - most beef is reverse of that). Properly fed on their natural grazing diet, on the right grasses too, and they typically have a healthier balance of the Omegas, and less saturated fats to boot (which aren't evil, but not great in excess unless highly active).
As for other livestock, I cannot accurately state the situation in regards to EFAs. But grain will rarely ever provide a good Omega-3 profile in our livestock.

Great post. But I think these findings highlights the fact that we have been neglecting the proportion of nutrients that we ingest in our culture's focus on healthy eating, but rather have been overly focused on buzzwords such as organic, non-GMO, free-range, low fat, fat free.

 

[yhelothar]

It's a living breathing creature. Butchering it so that it doesn't "feel" the horror of its life doesn't make it ok in my book.

A plant is a living, breathing creature.

I would somewhat agree with you in the case where they just merely blind the chickens.

However, the ones born sans a cerebral cortex would be deemed "vegetative."

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

I really don't think that an animal without a brain is going to present any kind of escape risk, nor would it do very well as a member of a breeding population.

Right, so we wouldn't want genes for that getting into the regular animal population, however, it would be a desirable trait for animals grown in meat factories, since no brain existing to begin with presumably means no animal cruelty.

In other words, clone the animals for the meat factory and specifically disable the genes that will cause a brain not to grow for those animals, but do not allow them to breed.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Sacred cows make the best burgers. I believe it imply for chickens as well

 

[coloumb]

I only see this as a tool for businesses to significantly increase the # of "accidentally blind" chickens simply for more profit.

I think a lot more research needs to be done to determine what long term side effects this could have...

 

[Matthiasa]

snip

Given that is the case now it was even more the case in the past where ailments from missing nutrients were far more common than today.

Meaning that has always been an issue.