Chickens raised in the Matrix

[amdhunter]

 

[zinfamous]

Yea.

As a society we need to learn how to eat less meat, not find ways to eat more of it.

agreed, though it would be nice if a solution like this allows us to maintain the same production levels, but in much less space, allowing us to reclaim those millions of acres of agriculture space currently wasted to raise meat.


...of course, that would never happen. People would just want to produce that much more meat.

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[SillyOReilly]

The way I see it, if you don't wanna get eaten by other species of animals, evolve. Evolve to the point where you can defend yourself or turn around and become the predator.

That's easy for you to type in your modern world.

In for placing you in a time machine to 10,000 bc and see you fight off bears or a pack of wolves.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

That's easy for you to type in your modern world.

In for placing you in a time machine to 10,000 bc and see you fight off bears or a pack of wolves.

since we're talking about hypotheticals what if we sent him back with a tank?

 

[SillyOReilly]

since we're talking about hypotheticals what if we sent him back with a tank?

You eventually have to come out to piss.

 

[surfsatwerk]

You eventually have to come out to piss.

I will invent soda pop bottles.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

You eventually have to come out to piss.

I'm pretty sure you can out of a small hole from the tank not to mention I'd be fairly safe behind my wall of dead dinos

 

[SillyOReilly]

I'm pretty sure you can out of a small hole from the tank not to mention I'd be fairly safe behind my wall of dead dinos

You have dead dinos in 10,000 BC and you're trying to debate your point.

 

[Lummex]

This post is not in reply to you personally, just expressing my thoughts on the subject.

I was born in a family of vegetarians(Lacto Vegetarians to be precise). I don't really care what others eat. I fucking hate activists on either side.. like PeTA and people who make fun of vegans/vegetarians.

If you are compassionate about animals.. why stop at killing them humanely? Why not stop eating them completely? Why worry about the two seconds of pain the animal is going to experience? Why check if the meat is Halal/kosher? It is all going to taste the same.

My point is.. why go halfhearted about it? Why do people cry foul when Asians have dogs in their menu? How many people have fish as their pets and eat fish without much thought? Why do people have so many double standards on such a trivial matter?

I don't fucking care what you eat.. and I expect the same from you.

I like Sagalore, what I don't like.. is you deciding what the society should eat or not eat.

I realize this isn't directed at me, personally, but thought I'd reply anyway.

I agree with you about extremists on either side. it's just annoying and I'm not really the type to be an activist on this subject. I never tell people what they should eat, and I have no desire to. I really couldn't care less that all my friends, family, and everyone around me eats meat. That's their deal and it doesn't affect me at all.

The reason I seem "halfhearted" about it, or the reason I would eat meat if it was raised in a way that I see as appropriate has more to do with the environment than any personal feelings about animal torture or belief that eating animals is inherently wrong (not saying that I don't care about torture). I am more concerned with messing with nature, filling up our animals with hormones, genetically modifying them, and over-producing animals for the sole purpose of consuming them. I know there are people out there who think this is great and that if humans have the means to do this, they have every right to. That's fine, that's their view, but I just can't bring myself to think it's okay. It messes with that natural way of things, and I find that very damaging on every level (personally and for the earth). When an animal is given a good life, when it has been born and raised in the way they are supposed to, I see it as acceptable that humans consume them. Rather than being gluttonous and totally disconnected from what they are eating, humans should view the consumption of animals delicately. They are NOT expendable, they are extremely important. I am only concerned that this mentality is so ingrained in society that it will come to bite us in the ass.

Again, the above is my personal view and I usually only discuss it with people who I'm very close to and who I know won't get defensive or think I'm trying to preach to them. It's just an explanation for MY choice.

 

[JTsyo]

I sort of find the idea horrifying.

I thought the point was to bring awareness to inhumane animal treatment but looks like it's for real.

 

[KMc]

I thought the point was to bring awareness to inhumane animal treatment but looks like it's for real.

Since this was coming from a philosopher, I guess I saw it as more of a thought experiment, suggesting where we could end up if we keep taking the "science" of meat production to its most extreme levels.

 

[destrekor]

Given that is the case now it was even more the case in the past where ailments from missing nutrients were far more common than today.

Meaning that has always been an issue.

It's a variable issue, specifically one that is different between geological regions and, more importantly, economic status of the locality/region/country.

Specifically, nutritional impacts are typically only found in poor regions/countries, or during particularly troubling times (such as a major devastation to the food industry in some way, like droughts or any catastrophic events to the food supply, or even political to some degree... devastating wars are a good example too)...
tell me, based on that, SHOULD this be happening in America? It's not exactly a major phenomenon anywhere else in the developed world.

A lot of this could almost be considered a result of how America came to be and in general what we've been through; we are a very young country, and rose to global prominence too fast. Especially having done so during the time we did... with so much happening across many industries (much of it, honestly, thanks to the US in many ways, if not due all credit), the way of life and the level of global interaction has really changed how everything works... our speedy rise has caused some issues.

Without turning this into some lengthy argument for an off-topic point, the main gist is that we've screwed ourselves into nutritional issues that should otherwise not even be a topic up for discussion.

Oh, and our FDA's guidance for proper nutritional balance is extremely outdated, based on research data that we now know* to be off the mark... couple that with improper nutrition for our livestock, and well... we've seen how much national health (across the board) has changed in the past few decades.

* : for the most part; as I admitted earlier, the amount of research making positive correlations is indeed growing and fairly extensive, but still young. Additionally, this is "global knowledge" that I speak of, and not specifically just late-blossoming research in the U.S.; the fact that other countries have done better in this regard can almost be considered coincidence, but there is far more at play. Sadly, our ways (the ill-informed was) are also slowly spreading to other countries, though the timing of that influence is definitely better in their cases; that is, of course, if they adjust as we continue to expand our physiological and biochemical knowledge.