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Chicago Mayhem

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cwjerome

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It seems you can hardly look at some news anymore without reading about people getting shot in Chicago.

What in the hell?

LA and Houston are sort of comparable and they don't have near the amount of shootings and killings. What exactly are the main problems that are causing this embarrassment? Frankly it's disgusting that today, in America, there's a place like this.

I'm not real familiar with the history and policies of the local governments there, but can't a group come together and put a real plan in place to clean this failure up, sort of like New York did in the 90s? Or do people there not just give a single F and as long as the undesirables are killing each other off away from the good area, it's the acceptable status quo? Because it's either extreme incompetence or extreme indifference.
 
The problem is decades of coddling via political correctness are coming home to roost. That is essentially what it all boils down to.

The End.
 
Honestly, I think Chicago is the only major city that reports it often enough for you to have that viewpoint. I grew up in Houston and now live in the north suburbs of Chicago. I've lived in a few other high crime rate cities. Chicago is the only one that reports these incidents every day. In Montgomery, AL (where I've also lived) there is a large portion of the city in poverty and there are shootings every day I'd wager. They don't report it on the news. The crime rate is over twice the national average.
 
smackababy said:
Honestly, I think Chicago is the only major city that reports it often enough for you to have that viewpoint. I grew up in Houston and now live in the north suburbs of Chicago. I've lived in a few other high crime rate cities. Chicago is the only one that reports these incidents every day. In Montgomery, AL (where I've also lived) there is a large portion of the city in poverty and there are shootings every day I'd wager. They don't report it on the news. The crime rate is over twice the national average.
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I'll have to try to look up some stats. I realize reporting and general perception and paint a skewed picture, but something seems amiss with Chicago.
 
chucky2 said:
The problem is decades of coddling via political correctness are coming home to roost. That is essentially what it all boils down to.

The End.
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Obviously this is a long result of failing policies and programs. When I've come across things like this it is many times the systemic failure of institutions... and those are often due to corruption.

The question is, why haven't people identified specific issues and addressed them in a practical manner?
 
cwjerome said:
Obviously this is a long result of failing policies and programs. When I've come across things like this it is many times the systemic failure of institutions... and those are often due to corruption.

The question is, why haven't people identified specific issues and addressed them in a practical manner?
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Because you have a mixture of corrupt officials and a stupid, largely subservient populace. The good people have mostly been chased out, or else live in the suburbs.
 
cwjerome said:
Obviously this is a long result of failing policies and programs. When I've come across things like this it is many times the systemic failure of institutions... and those are often due to corruption.

The question is, why haven't people identified specific issues and addressed them in a practical manner?
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Because if/when you identify a real issue, you are labeled a racist. And/or what you are identifying is going to require a solultion that is going to potentially upset the current corrupt status quo. Since no one likes being labeled a racist, and generally no one can go against the entrenched corruption/favoritism, either no one tries or if/when they do, they're shut down before they can gain any real ground.

The end result is this: A statistical few who benefit (monetarily, politically, status, etc.), the rest are F'd; note that some of these few aren't even part of these communities, they're just leeching off them.

What does end up happening often is a spectacle is made of something, so something can be pushed for political and/or monetary gain. Sometimes some good actually comes out of it as an unintended consequence, sometimes not.

The only true solution is this: The entire political and Leadership of Chicago and Crook Co. would need to be replaced with people of known moral pureness as to always do the right thing, however hard and however unpleasant and at whatever political consequence.

Since the chance of the sun turning into a block of ice tomorrow is greater than the chance of that happening, you can guess what the chances are for the youth in these communities to have improved situations.

Chuck
 
cwjerome said:
Obviously this is a long result of failing policies and programs. When I've come across things like this it is many times the systemic failure of institutions... and those are often due to corruption.

The question is, why haven't people identified specific issues and addressed them in a practical manner?
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If the issue is that there are large portions of the population with little to no opportunity, who have a culture that embraces violence and disregards education, and despite all attempts have cheap and easy access to lethal weaponry, what's a practical solution when you take it as a priori that no more money can be thrown at the problem? I can't see you changing the culture without more opportunity, can't have more opportunity without having better (read: more effective, not more expensive) education, and can't have better education without a change in culture. Ultimately, the problem, like in a lot of places, is that you have a large number of adolescent males who are bored. You can either give them something to do and incentivize them to do it or you can try to reduce their overall numbers.
 
Our mayor and police chief are so friggin corrupt. Any body who cares lives on the North and East outskirts, or is too afraid to speak. You can't look at anybody wrong because you could get shot. Any way, they seem to be killing each other, even though they are doing a piss poor job at that as well.
 
cwjerome said:
It seems you can hardly look at some news anymore without reading about people getting shot in Chicago.

What in the hell?

LA and Houston are sort of comparable and they don't have near the amount of shootings and killings. What exactly are the main problems that are causing this embarrassment? Frankly it's disgusting that today, in America, there's a place like this.

I'm not real familiar with the history and policies of the local governments there, but can't a group come together and put a real plan in place to clean this failure up, sort of like New York did in the 90s? Or do people there not just give a single F and as long as the undesirables are killing each other off away from the good area, it's the acceptable status quo? Because it's either extreme incompetence or extreme indifference.
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Why single out Chicago based on anecdotal news stories? You can find crime stats. There are many worse cities in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

This handy chart can be sorted based on whichever major crime you want to look at. For some reason Chicago is "NA" for "violent crime" in general and for rape. However, you can check it for murder, robbery, agg assault, etc.

Anyway, there are 15 major cities worse than Chicago for homicide.
 
It's just getting more press in recent years. Back in the early/mid 90s it nearly reached 1000 in some years....it was 530 in 2012.

The uptick over the past couple years is at least partially attributed to the tactics of the previous police chief who arrested significant parts of the gang leaderships which while making good headlines caused the turf wars we're now seeing now.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Anyway, there are 15 major cities worse than Chicago for homicide.
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Maybe the people there are just bad shots?

Seriously though, I've singled it out because they always seem to be in the news. Since posting this I've looked up some different stuff and Chicago barely makes the rankings of dangerous cities. It's pretty strange they do get so much coverage.
 
cwjerome said:
It seems you can hardly look at some news anymore without reading about people getting shot in Chicago.

What in the hell?

LA and Houston are sort of comparable and they don't have near the amount of shootings and killings. What exactly are the main problems that are causing this embarrassment? Frankly it's disgusting that today, in America, there's a place like this.

I'm not real familiar with the history and policies of the local governments there, but can't a group come together and put a real plan in place to clean this failure up, sort of like New York did in the 90s? Or do people there not just give a single F and as long as the undesirables are killing each other off away from the good area, it's the acceptable status quo? Because it's either extreme incompetence or extreme indifference.
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It's probably Obama's people in Chicago publicizing the crap out of the same rate of gun violence that has always been there to drum up support for new gun control legislation.
 
cwjerome said:
Maybe the people there are just bad shots?

Seriously though, I've singled it out because they always seem to be in the news. Since posting this I've looked up some different stuff and Chicago barely makes the rankings of dangerous cities. It's pretty strange they do get so much coverage.
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That's interesting. Wonder if it has anything to do with Rahm's Obama ties and Obama's Chicago ties. No evidence it does, just a speculation.
 
cwjerome said:
Maybe the people there are just bad shots?

Seriously though, I've singled it out because they always seem to be in the news. Since posting this I've looked up some different stuff and Chicago barely makes the rankings of dangerous cities. It's pretty strange they do get so much coverage.
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Killings vary in newsworthiness. Young victims or the freakish day of 20 killings will make headlines. Others: mass murders, attractive victims, attractive perps, political killings, terrorism, actual or alleged racially motivated killings. It's just a random statistical cluster of newsworthy killings.
 
I lived by Chicago for a while and they have a major problem. I've worked by Compton/Watts/Gardena/etc and they had less shootings than Chicago.
 
randomrogue said:
I lived by Chicago for a while and they have a major problem. I've worked by Compton/Watts/Gardena/etc and they had less shootings than Chicago.
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Those are suburbs you're comparing it to. Granted, suburbs with a bad reputation for gang activity, but suburbs nonetheless. Chicago is average in violent crime for cities of 250,000+ pop, and below average in property crime. In the wiki link I provided you can check for cities in different pop ranges. Compton, for example, is in the 60,000-100,000 pop range. It rates relatively high in its homicide rate compared to other cities in that range. But actually its homicide rate was slightly higher than Chicago in 2011.
 
Well I know Compton isn't the size of Chicago but if you add up Downey, Ingelwood, Lynwood, etc...you know the whole area...it's pretty bad. However I think when I was there it was better than Chicago was when I was living there. I could definitely be wrong on the numbers but Chicago to me was more like the bad parts of Oakland and that didn't quite compute in my head. There's no real good reason that I know of for Chicago to have such high numbers of violent crime.
 
They don't have such high numbers of violent crime though. That's the point. They're about average for a major city. Oakland is worse in most respects. At least as of 2011. I'm sure the numbers fluctuate quite a bit from year to year.

For murders, nothing can touch New Orleans. It has almost 4x the homicide rate of Chicago. If any city should be singled out in this regard, it's NO.
 
Oakland and New Orleans are DEFINITELY worse. No doubt. I was just very surprised with Chicago since everyday seemed like a new shooting.
 
woolfe9998 said:
They don't have such high numbers of violent crime though. That's the point. They're about average for a major city. Oakland is worse in most respects. At least as of 2011. I'm sure the numbers fluctuate quite a bit from year to year.

For murders, nothing can touch New Orleans. It has almost 4x the homicide rate of Chicago. If any city should be singled out in this regard, it's NO.
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It is strange because I've spent some time in New Orleans and it always seems quite nice. But I guess I avoided the bad areas. The same can be said for any city though. Most of the crime is centered in the poorer districts / neighborhoods. Even in Chicago, my GF has no problem with being downtown at night and as long as she isn't the South side is not afraid of real crime.
 
randomrogue said:
Oakland and New Orleans are DEFINITELY worse. No doubt. I was just very surprised with Chicago since everyday seemed like a new shooting.
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I think it just comes down to reporting. What else does Chicago have to report on? Derrick Rose still not able to play? Nobody cares anymore the Bulls are doing fine without him.
 
smackababy said:
It is strange because I've spent some time in New Orleans and it always seems quite nice. But I guess I avoided the bad areas. The same can be said for any city though. Most of the crime is centered in the poorer districts / neighborhoods. Even in Chicago, my GF has no problem with being downtown at night and as long as she isn't the South side is not afraid of real crime.
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Same is true of Oakland. It's true of all cities in fact. Crime in the rich areas is generally burglary related and the poor areas have the crazy violent crime.

Drive through the bad areas of Oakland on a Saturday night. It's unbelievable. Prostitutes, drug dealers, and people hurting each other all in plain sight.
 
its because the last mayor and current obama cronie mayor want to ban guns across the whole state and the media is playing right into it.

the wiki date posted is from 2011

2012 was record breaking for murders, and 2013 is on pace with it as well though.


chicago coddles the shit out themselves

they decriminalized possession of small amounts of weed to curb 'racial profiling of young african americans'

seriously

they cited that as a reason for it.
 
I'm curious as to why some cities seem to "specialize" in certain types of crime. So NO is the murder capital of the US, but it's actually low in other types of violent crime. Another weird one is that Ohio cities dominate in burglary being 1rst, 2nd 3rd and 7th in the country. Is a certain type of crime endemic to local cultures? Are the police in different cities better or worse at combating different types of crime?
 
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