Cherokee nation expels black descendants from tribe

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's unfortunate. Cherokees took them as slaves, then accepted them as tribe.

Now they're saying, 'Whoops, you were just slaves. And our appreciation for anything you've done to help and support our tribe since you've been part of it (and before you were a part of it, while we owned you) has just been revoked.'

I say F-U Cherokee Supreme C*cks. That's a sh!tty way to roll over on your own tribe mates.

I agree. Any slave should have membership. All former slaves raise your hand!

 

[Doppel]

That tribe should have all gov benefits removed and put back to the status of all other American citizens.

I readily admit to knowing little about native Americans in the 21st century but many of the stats I've brushed upon indicate they are a failed culture rife with educational, addiction, health problems, etc. One has to wonder about the parallels between this and their exemption statuses and extra money. I suspect they'd be doing better if they were not treated as eternal victims.

 

[Greenman]

I'd be willing to bet that a great deal of the story was left out of that article.

 

[rudder]

Sounds like someone wanted to hoard the casino take.

Methinks the freedmen had too many relatives signing up to be cherokees and finally had enough.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I think a better 'solution' would have been to let the people who were members STAY members, but prevent any new children or applicants be members and just phase it out that way. Although I suspect if its anything like the Indian tribe members I've known, membership is mostly about getting your monthly/quarterly check and little else. Few people seemed really involved with the tribe other than collecting the check, although I am sure a lot still are.

 

[soulcougher73]

Indian givers...

lol :thumbsup:

 

[JockoJohnson]

That tribe should have all gov benefits removed and put back to the status of all other American citizens.

I readily admit to knowing little about native Americans in the 21st century but many of the stats I've brushed upon indicate they are a failed culture rife with educational, addiction, health problems, etc. One has to wonder about the parallels between this and their exemption statuses and extra money. I suspect they'd be doing better if they were not treated as eternal victims.

That about sums up alot of "cultures" in this country....oh yeah, I went there 🙂

 

[SlowSpyder]

I agree. Any slave should have membership. All former slaves raise your hand!

Albert Haynesworth raises his hand.

 

[Darwin333]

That tribe should have all gov benefits removed and put back to the status of all other American citizens.

I readily admit to knowing little about native Americans in the 21st century but many of the stats I've brushed upon indicate they are a failed culture rife with educational, addiction, health problems, etc. One has to wonder about the parallels between this and their exemption statuses and extra money. I suspect they'd be doing better if they were not treated as eternal victims.

I'm with ya. We fucked them out of damn near all their land already why not finish the job already.

 

[piasabird]

Since they kicked out their black members, we should cut off all aid for Indian Tribes.

 

[Newbian]

I'm with ya. We fucked them out of damn near all their land already why not finish the job already.

But they took all our beads... 🙁

 

[werepossum]

I suspect that it's money. When the tribe had nothing but what the federal government gave them, increasing the tribal population increased the government check to the tribe. Now that the tribe has significant outside income and also expensive expenditures like health care and education, shrinking the tribe raises each member's cut.

It's bad PR considering the small number of claimants, but well within their rights as a sovereign nation. And considering that no group within America has suffered like the native Americans, I'm not inclined to bitch too much about it.

 

[sleep]

I'm with ya. We fucked them out of damn near all their land already why not finish the job already.

maybe someone will do the same to you.

 

[dmcowen674]

I'd be willing to bet that a great deal of the story was left out of that article.

Congrats, you win the prize.

 

[CitizenKain]

I agree 100%. We have handicapped the Indian Nations with welfare and various government programs to the point that they are nearly helpless. With very few exceptions the only Indians that are doing well at all are the Lumbee Indians which have not been under any government programs and have had to work and think for themselves.

Sure, racism had nothing to do with it. Or shoving them on terrible land. I know you're a WND reader, but try to keep up.

 

[piasabird]

Indian tribes spent most of their time killing each other. It is not like they lived in a peaceful state of nervanna before the white man showed up! Every country that has ever been in existence has had to fight to keep their land. You are not really that naive are you? Besided I did not take their land, I was not able to pick my father, and the native americans were not able to pick their father. So why shouldnt I get an automatic handout? Why haven't the tribes developed their own economy by now? They are lazy bums.

 

[bfdd]

I suspect that it's money. When the tribe had nothing but what the federal government gave them, increasing the tribal population increased the government check to the tribe. Now that the tribe has significant outside income and also expensive expenditures like health care and education, shrinking the tribe raises each member's cut.

It's bad PR considering the small number of claimants, but well within their rights as a sovereign nation. And considering that no group within America has suffered like the native Americans, I'm not inclined to bitch too much about it.

That's cool we're ok with other people not living up to the standards we set for ourselves well because they're different than us! Then why the FUCK do any of you care what the fuck your neighbor does? Who gives a shit if he's boning some dude or shooting up heroin. This shit is just hypocritical of everyone posting. Waahh Indians had it so bad over 100 years ago, none of those fucks are alive, their kids are. Just like the descendants of the slaves who were accepted into the tribe. They are no fucking different. You're setting up two different rules by which to treat people by. Bigots.

 

[sleep]

Sure, racism had nothing to do with it. Or shoving them on terrible land. I know you're a WND reader, but try to keep up.

you speak like you know what you are talking about. their land is beautiful, but now it's not.

 

[soccerballtux]

I remember the Indian shops out west. They sit around in their shops all day nobody comes they just sit there selling trinkets, hafta do that to get their checks from the government. So sad.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Indian givers...

/thread

 

[qliveur]

Indian givers...

Win 😀

 

[Schadenfroh]

I'm with ya. We fucked them out of damn near all their land already why not finish the job already.

I do not understand how my proposal takes land from Native Americans...

Feel free to return your land to its original owner (if their descendants still live). But beware, the Native American tribe that was displaced likely took their land from earlier inhabitants from a different tribe. It is going to be quite tricky reassigning land to original owners, especially since written records were not widely kept prior to the arrival of European explorers.

Modern Native Americans are Americans, just like you and me. There is no reason to treat them any differently due to their race, which likely includes a few European ancestors, just like many white Americans have Native American ancestors.

 

[werepossum]

That's cool we're ok with other people not living up to the standards we set for ourselves well because they're different than us! Then why the FUCK do any of you care what the fuck your neighbor does? Who gives a shit if he's boning some dude or shooting up heroin. This shit is just hypocritical of everyone posting. Waahh Indians had it so bad over 100 years ago, none of those fucks are alive, their kids are. Just like the descendants of the slaves who were accepted into the tribe. They are no fucking different. You're setting up two different rules by which to treat people by. Bigots.

You have a point, although actually I don't care what my neighbor is doing unless it affects me or threatens me. Native Americans still have it pretty bad though, at least those on the rez. I don't have a terrible problem with that - they have dual citizenship and can move off the rez and work like the rest of us - but I do recognize their right to govern themselves in the way they think best. (Although it would be ironic if the federal government revoked that right after they revoked tribal membership for their former slaves. Backses for everyone!)

I do not understand how my proposal takes land from Native Americans...

Feel free to return your land to its original owner (if their descendants still live). But beware, the Native American tribe that was displaced likely took their land from earlier inhabitants from a different tribe. It is going to be quite tricky reassigning land to original owners, especially since written records were not widely kept prior to the arrival of European explorers.

Modern Native Americans are Americans, just like you and me. There is no reason to treat them any differently due to their race, which likely includes a few European ancestors, just like many white Americans have Native American ancestors.

Agreed, the reservation idea failed. It was dedicated to the idea of preserving the unique culture (and if we're honest, the racial identity) of each tribe. That failed miserably, of course, by most measures. One can't maintain a hunter-gatherer society on a reservation, and we didn't leave them on enough (or good enough) land to maintain a herding or farming society. Instead we simply gave them a welfare society on which they could stick some tribal customs if they wish. That's about the most horrible thing we could have done to them.

Other groups such as Jews or Armenians have been able to integrate into our society, gaining its benefits and the benefits of new blood while also maintaining much of their cultural identity. In today's modern society, native Americans should be able to do the same, with each member participating fully in American society while maintaining however much of their native language and tribal identity as each member wishes.

Plus, some of those tribes have some smokin' women.

 

[Darwin333]

I do not understand how my proposal takes land from Native Americans...

Feel free to return your land to its original owner (if their descendants still live). But beware, the Native American tribe that was displaced likely took their land from earlier inhabitants from a different tribe. It is going to be quite tricky reassigning land to original owners, especially since written records were not widely kept prior to the arrival of European explorers.

Modern Native Americans are Americans, just like you and me. There is no reason to treat them any differently due to their race, which likely includes a few European ancestors, just like many white Americans have Native American ancestors.

Actually they are sovereign nations which means they hold dual citizenship, which I do not have, so they aren't exactly like you and me. Removing that would indeed take from them certain rights that they currently enjoy, such as being able to govern themselves.

As far as the entire "they took land too and we don't know who really owned it" part.... come on man. We basically eradicated their entire race in the process of stealing their land, made legally binding deals with them and then screwed em again and then you have the whole "trail of tears" when we forced them off of their land onto the crapy land that we didn't want anyway.

Even the Supreme Court, at the time at least, disagrees with you:

The treaties helped set the stage for a later and more dramatic policy of Indian removal. Indians who resisted attempts by the whites to obtain Indian land via treaty arrangements found themselves facing "removal" further westward. The white settlers created Indian territories in Oklahoma and the western half of present-day South Dakota where the Indians would be out of the way of westward expansion. In 1830, President Jackson convinced the U.S. Congress to pass the Indian Removal Act that appropriated funds for relocation — by force if necessary — of Native Americans. Federal officials were sent to negotiate removal treaties with the southern tribes, many of whom reluctantly signed.

However, the Cherokees in the state of Georgia, fought their removal in the federal Supreme Court. They thought they had won when Chief Justice John Marshall ruled that the Cherokees were a "domestic dependent nation" that could not be forced by the state of Georgia to give up its land against its will. Unfortunately, President Jackson and the state of Georgia ignored the decision and moved the Native Americans to Indian Territory in Oklahoma. The Cherokees refer to their trip as "The Trail of Tears."

Gotta love that "sent Federal Officials to negotiate" part. "Alright Geronimo, you can either sign here and get to steppin or we are gonna send in the Army and start shootin until you do. Don't worry, we got a nice spot picked out for you."

Now I am in no way advocating that we give them back anything. Just like I am not advocating that we give back land we took from Mexico. BUT considering that we fucked them over to the brink of extinction and then fucked em over a few more times, I say we honor our current agreements with them for a change. Just a thought...

 

[Throckmorton]

you speak like you know what you are talking about. their land is beautiful, but now it's not.

It's beautiful because it's desert...