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CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: eskimospy
PS: You fucking moron.

Mods, personal attack :D

Take a history lesson. Jackson relocated tens of thousands of Native Americans onto reservations. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. The god of the Democratic Party FDR rounded up Japanese Americans and placed them in internment camps. Truman dropped two nuclear bombs on harmless civilians. Clinton bombed an aspirin factory.

And yes, George W. Bush dunked a few terrorists in water.

Get over yourself.

Then invaded two countries for kicks and grins, killed thousands and ruined our economy. Oh, and dunked a few terrorists, suspected terrorists and innocent civilians into water as many times as they felt like.

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Take a history lesson. Jackson relocated tens of thousands of Native Americans onto reservations. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. The god of the Democratic Party FDR rounded up Japanese Americans and placed them in internment camps. Truman dropped two nuclear bombs on harmless civilians. Clinton bombed an aspirin factory.

And yes, George W. Bush dunked a few terrorists in water.

Get over yourself.
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I think we can do a little better than that.

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/
 

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Good link jonks, excuse me, its off to the toilet to vomit again.

But what excuse it all is that Bill Clinton got a BJ.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Take a history lesson. Jackson relocated tens of thousands of Native Americans onto reservations. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. The god of the Democratic Party FDR rounded up Japanese Americans and placed them in internment camps. Truman dropped two nuclear bombs on harmless civilians. Clinton bombed an aspirin factory.

And yes, George W. Bush dunked a few terrorists in water.

Get over yourself.

I think we can do a little better than that.

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

It that all yah got ?

:p
 

OrByte

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I just have to link this here:

Is Torture Ever Moral?
Pat Buchanan
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 article

After opening the door to a truth commission to investigate torture by the CIA of al-Qaida subjects, and leaving the door open to prosecution of higher-ups, President Obama walked the cat back.

He is now opposed to a truth commission. That means it is dead. He is no longer interested in prosecutions. That means no independent counsel -- for now.

Sen. Harry Reid does not want any new "commissions, boards, tribunals, until we find out what the facts are." Thus, there will be none. The place to find out the facts, says the majority leader, is the intelligence committee of Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

Though belated, White House recognition that high-profile public hearings on the "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by the CIA in the Bush-Cheney years could divide the nation and rip this city apart is politically wise.

For any such investigation must move up the food chain from CIA interrogators, to White House lawyers, to the Cabinet officers who sit on the National Security Council, to Dick Cheney, to The Decider himself.

And what is the need to re-air America's dirty linen before a hostile world, when the facts are already known.

The CIA did use harsh treatment on al-Qaida. That treatment was sanctioned by White House and Justice Department lawyers. The NSC, Cheney and President Bush did sign off. And Obama has ordered all such practices discontinued.

This is not a question of "What did the president know and when did he know it?" It is a question of the legality and morality of what is already known. And on this, the country is rancorously split.

Many contend that torture is inherently evil, morally outrageous and legally impermissible under both existing U.S. law and the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war.

Moreover, they argue, torture does not work.

Its harvest is hatred, deceptions and lies. And because it is cowardly and cruel, torture degrades those who do it, as well as those to whom it is done. It instills a spirit of revenge in its victims.

When the knowledge of torture is made public, as invariably it is, it besmirches America's good name and serves as a recruiting poster for our enemies and a justification to use the same degrading methods on our men and women.

And it makes us no better than the Chinese communist brain-washers of the Korean War, the Japanese war criminals who tortured U.S. POWs and the jailers at the Hanoi Hilton who tortured Sen. John McCain.

Moreover, even if done in a few monitored cases, where it seems to be the only way to get immediate intelligence to save hundreds or thousands from imminent terror attack, down the chain of command they know it is being done. Thus, we get sadistic copycat conduct at Abu Ghraib by enlisted personnel to amuse themselves at midnight.

While the legal and moral case against torture is compelling, there is another side.

Let us put aside briefly the explosive and toxic term.

Is it ever moral to kill? Of course. We give guns to police and soldiers, and honor them as heroes when they use their guns to save lives.

Is it ever moral to inflict excruciating pain? Of course. Civil War doctors who cut off arms and legs in battlefield hospitals saved many soldiers from death by gangrene.

The morality of killing or inflicting severe pain depends, then, not only on the nature of the act, but on the circumstances and motive.

The Beltway Snipers deserved death sentences. The Navy Seal snipers who killed those three Somali pirates and saved Captain Richard Phillips deserve medals.

Consider now Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of 9-11, which sent 3,000 Americans to horrible deaths, and who was behind, if he did not do it himself, the beheading of Danny Pearl.

Even many opponents against torture will concede we have the same right to execute Khalid Mohammed as we did Timothy McVeigh. But if we have a right to kill him, do we have no moral right to waterboard him for 20 minutes to force him to reveal plans and al-Qaida accomplices to save thousands of American lives?

Americans are divided.

"Rendition," a film based on a true story, where an innocent man suspected of belonging to a terrorist cell is sent to an Arab country and tortured, won rave reviews.

But more popular was "Taken," a film in which Liam Neeson, an ex-spy, has a daughter kidnapped by white slavers in Paris, whom he tortures for information to rescue her and bring her home.

Certainly, Cheney and Bush, who make no apologies for what they authorized to keep America safe for seven and a half years, should be held to account. But so, too, should Barack Obama, if U.S. citizens die in a terror attack the CIA might have prevented, had its interrogators not been tied to an Army Field Manual written for dealing with soldiers, not al-Qaida killers who favor "soft targets" such as subways, airliners and office buildings.



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Fear No Evil

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Previous post makes a good point. If you do what Bush and Cheney did, and protect America at all costs. You are held accountable. If you look the other way, put your head in the sand, and watch as 3000 people die.. you may be voted out of office, but you aren't put in prison. Being a liberal is easy..
 

Mr. Lennon

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
If you look the other way, put your head in the sand, and watch as 3000 people die.. you may be voted out of office, but you aren't put in prison.

Yeah...Bush really got away with it didn't he? Not even a slap on the wrists.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
If you look the other way, put your head in the sand, and watch as 3000 people die.. you may be voted out of office, but you aren't put in prison.

Yeah...Bush really got away with it didn't he? Not even a slap on the wrists.

Wrist slapping would be torture to most libs here.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Previous post makes a good point. If you do what Bush and Cheney did, and protect America at all costs. You are held accountable. If you look the other way, put your head in the sand, and watch as 3000 people die.. you may be voted out of office, but you aren't put in prison. Being a liberal is easy..

It must be easy for you when all you do is make shit up. No thinking required.
 

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Well that a novel argument, GWB protected America???????????????????????????????????????

On whose watch did the 911 terrorists attack occur?? That right, it was on GWB's watch and he was asleep at the switch.

Bill Clinton and his advisers took pains to warn GWB, Rice, and other key people about the danger Ossama had become.

The GWB administration did exactly nothing about even looking at Bin Laden until 911.

The GWB administration has done almost nothing since in terms of hardening our infrastructure, ports, chemical plants, transmission grids, are still almost defenseless. If America has not been been attacked on its home soil since 911, I have to conclude its because Bin Ladin has concluded its not needed, and not thanks to anything GWB has done.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Previous post makes a good point. If you do what Bush and Cheney did, and protect America at all costs. You are held accountable. If you look the other way, put your head in the sand, and watch as 3000 people die.. you may be voted out of office, but you aren't put in prison. Being a liberal is easy..

It must be easy for you when all you do is make shit up. No thinking required.

It's fantasy land for him and those like him. Anything is fair game for "Whatiflanders" if they can dream up a scenario in their twisted infantile minds on how to justify torture. They are not in touch with reality and need serious mental help. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to give them the help they need. :(
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Previous post makes a good point. If you do what Bush and Cheney did, and protect America at all costs. You are held accountable. If you look the other way, put your head in the sand, and watch as 3000 people die.. you may be voted out of office, but you aren't put in prison. Being a liberal is easy..

It must be easy for you when all you do is make shit up. No thinking required.

It's fantasy land for him and those like him. Anything is fair game for "Whatiflanders" if they can dream up a scenario in their twisted infantile minds on how to justify torture. They are not in touch with reality and need serious mental help. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to give them the help they need. :(

And you guys just live in 'Ifwejustapologizeeveryonewillloveusland'.. Like I said, being a liberal is easy.. you don't have to make any tough decisions. If someone kills a bunch of Americans you just blame the previous administration's policies for creating the hate. Every 8 years or so you get a Republican in office to come in and do the dirty work and cleanup, and then a democrat gets elected again on the 'Can't we all just get along' platform.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
.. Like I said, being that I'm a Tool it is easy.. you don't have to make any tough decisions. If someone kills a bunch of Americans when a Republican is President we just blame the previous administration's policies for creating the hate. Every 8 years or so you get a Democrat in office to come in and do the dirty work and cleanup, and then a Republican gets elected again to really screw things up.

Fixed.







 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
And you guys just live in 'Ifwejustapologizeeveryonewillloveusland'.. Like I said, being a liberal is easy.. you don't have to make any tough decisions. If someone kills a bunch of Americans you just blame the previous administration's policies for creating the hate. Every 8 years or so you get a Republican in office to come in and do the dirty work and cleanup, and then a democrat gets elected again on the 'Can't we all just get along' platform.

Huh, seems like Reagan's DOJ knew torture when it saw it.

http://www.truthout.org/042709J

George W. Bush's Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn't even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan's Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.

Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case - which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later - was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.

The failure to cite the earlier waterboarding case and a half-dozen other precedents that dealt with torture is reportedly one of the critical findings of a Justice Department watchdog report that legal sources say faults former Bush administration lawyers - Jay Bybee, John Yoo and Steven Bradbury - for violating "professional standards."

gee, how'd those lawyers writing the memos miss one of the few recent prosecutorial cases on waterboarding? seems like it woulda turned up in a simple search. these guys must suck at LexisNexis
 
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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
And you guys just live in 'Ifwejustapologizeeveryonewillloveusland'.. Like I said, being a liberal is easy.. you don't have to make any tough decisions. If someone kills a bunch of Americans you just blame the previous administration's policies for creating the hate. Every 8 years or so you get a Republican in office to come in and do the dirty work and cleanup, and then a democrat gets elected again on the 'Can't we all just get along' platform.

Huh, seems like Reagan's DOJ knew torture when it saw it.

http://www.truthout.org/042709J

George W. Bush's Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn't even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan's Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.

Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case - which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later - was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.

The failure to cite the earlier waterboarding case and a half-dozen other precedents that dealt with torture is reportedly one of the critical findings of a Justice Department watchdog report that legal sources say faults former Bush administration lawyers - Jay Bybee, John Yoo and Steven Bradbury - for violating "professional standards."

gee, how'd those lawyers writing the memos miss one of the few recent prosecutorial cases on waterboarding? seems like it woulda turned up in a simple search. these guys must suck at LexisNexis
The sheriff and his deputies were not charged or prosecuted for waterboarding or torture. They were charged with extortion and civil rights violations and plead guilty.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

And you guys just live in 'Ifwejustapologizeeveryonewillloveusland'.. Like I said, being a liberal is easy.. you don't have to make any tough decisions. If someone kills a bunch of Americans you just blame the previous administration's policies for creating the hate. Every 8 years or so you get a Republican in office to come in and do the dirty work and cleanup, and then a democrat gets elected again on the 'Can't we all just get along' platform.

You do not defeat evil be becoming the evil you pretend you want to defeat. YOU are living proof. YOU are that evil. :|

There is NO excuse for torture, EVER! It is illegal in the United States of America and in the world community of civilized nations, and it does not work to provide reliable information.

You can't provide ONE (if you can count that high) confirmed example where the CIA got ANY useful information by torturing anyone.

All you've proven is that YOU are among the lowest of immoral, unethical, inhuman lifeforms on the planet.

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

The sheriff and his deputies were not charged or prosecuted for waterboarding or torture. They were charged with extortion and civil rights violations and plead guilty.

What's cold blooded, toxic, dangerous and TastesLikeChicken? :shocked:

What to do with a cold blooded, toxic, dangerous beast that TastesLikeChicken? :laugh:
 

shira

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Originally posted by: OrByte
I just have to link this here:

Is Torture Ever Moral?
Pat Buchanan
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Consider now Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of 9-11, which sent 3,000 Americans to horrible deaths, and who was behind, if he did not do it himself, the beheading of Danny Pearl.

Even many opponents against torture will concede we have the same right to execute Khalid Mohammed as we did Timothy McVeigh. But if we have a right to kill him, do we have no moral right to waterboard him for 20 minutes to force him to reveal plans and al-Qaida accomplices to save thousands of American lives?

Americans are divided.

"Rendition," a film based on a true story, where an innocent man suspected of belonging to a terrorist cell is sent to an Arab country and tortured, won rave reviews.

But more popular was "Taken," a film in which Liam Neeson, an ex-spy, has a daughter kidnapped by white slavers in Paris, whom he tortures for information to rescue her and bring her home.

Certainly, Cheney and Bush, who make no apologies for what they authorized to keep America safe for seven and a half years, should be held to account. But so, too, should Barack Obama, if U.S. citizens die in a terror attack the CIA might have prevented, had its interrogators not been tied to an Army Field Manual written for dealing with soldiers, not al-Qaida killers who favor "soft targets" such as subways, airliners and office buildings.
one word: truthiness.
No, the one word is bullshit

Buchanan's is full of it because he slips into his column various "facts not accepted into evidence." For example, that what Bush and Cheney did kept America safe for seven and a half years.

If you accept Buchanan's logic, then you must also think that "what Bill Clinton did" subsequent to the February, 1993, World Trade Center bombing by Al Qaeda "kept America safe" for EIGHT years. Yet, somehow, Clinton didn't need to torture anyone to "keep America safe" during those eight years.

Buchanan is also full of it because he uses the relative popularity of a MOVIE with a FICTIONAL PLOT as a refutation of a TRUE story that documented the actual horrors that were the unavoidable consequence of our torture program.

Lastly, Buchanan is full of shit because - like so many true-believing righties before him - he tells the hoary tale of the ticking time-bomb, where torture is the essential tool to reveal the details of the dastardly plot.

Somehow, neither Buchanan nor anyone else on the right addresses the essential point: Under U.S. law, torture is ILLEGAL.

If Buchanan and his cronies want the CIA or whoever to be allowed to use torture, then CHANGE THE LAW and make it explicit.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jonks
Huh, seems like Reagan's DOJ knew torture when it saw it.

http://www.truthout.org/042709J

George W. Bush's Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn't even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan's Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.

Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case - which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later - was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.

The failure to cite the earlier waterboarding case and a half-dozen other precedents that dealt with torture is reportedly one of the critical findings of a Justice Department watchdog report that legal sources say faults former Bush administration lawyers - Jay Bybee, John Yoo and Steven Bradbury - for violating "professional standards."

gee, how'd those lawyers writing the memos miss one of the few recent prosecutorial cases on waterboarding? seems like it woulda turned up in a simple search. these guys must suck at LexisNexis
The sheriff and his deputies were not charged or prosecuted for waterboarding or torture. They were charged with extortion and civil rights violations and plead guilty.

They were charged because they waterboarded prisoners to extract confessions, and the criminal complaint stated that they used "water torture." Are you going to argue that the prosecutors thought water torture wasn't torture but merely enhanced interrogation?

Waterboarding was torture right up until the Bush admin wanted to do it. Never before had it been called anything but torture. Enhanced Interrogation is roughly what Nazis called their interrogation methods. No legitimate government is going to describe their interrogations as tortures so they employ euphemisms. It changes the words. It doesn't change reality.

The court, the defendants, everyone, called it torture.
http://www.2008electionprocon.org/pdf/US_v_Lee.pdf

So, TLC,

1. do you think a responsible attorney authoring a memo to his superiors on the legality of waterboarding would be negligent in the slightest to fail to mention a federal prosecution for using the very techniques being researched where the court, the federal prosecutors, the defendants, called the technique torture? Especially given the quite narrow number of cases so directly on point?

2. Where did you see that they plead guilty? It appears from my link that they were tried and convicted:

On the morning trial was to begin, Floyd Baker's counsel informed the court and his co-defendants that Baker intended to admit the government's allegations were true but would argue that he did not have the "state of mind" required for criminal liability. Lee, Glover and Parker each intended to defend on the ground that they did not participate in any torture incidents and were unaware that any such incidents were taking place...At the close of the evidence, the district judge severed Baker, and put the case of the remaining defendants to the jury.
 
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Originally posted by: jonks
They were charged because they waterboarded prisoners to extract confessions, and the criminal complaint stated that they used "water torture." Are you going to argue that the prosecutors thought water torture wasn't torture but merely enhanced interrogation?

Waterboarding was torture right up until the Bush admin wanted to do it. Never before had it been called anything but torture. Enhanced Interrogation is roughly what Nazis called their interrogation methods. No legitimate government is going to describe their interrogations as tortures so they employ euphemisms. It changes the words. It doesn't change reality.

The court, the defendants, everyone, called it torture.
http://www.2008electionprocon.org/pdf/US_v_Lee.pdf

So, TLC, do you think a responsible attorney authoring a memo to his superiors on the legality of waterboarding would be negligent in the slightest to fail to mention a federal prosecution for using the very techniques being researched where the court, the federal prosecutors, the defendants, called the technique torture? Especially given the quite narrow number of cases so directly on point?
Do you think that sheriff issued memos that defined specific rules to follow to ensure he wasn't breaking the law while waterboarding? The dipshit was setting up illegal traps and extorting money from US citizens. Of course he didn't give a shit about the law.

You're attempting to apply more of that equivocation and pretending all things are equal when all things are NOT equal.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Do you think that sheriff issued memos that defined specific rules to follow to ensure he wasn't breaking the law while waterboarding? The dipshit was setting up illegal traps and extorting money from US citizens. Of course he didn't give a shit about the law.

You're attempting to apply more of that equivocation and pretending all things are equal when all things are NOT equal.

Are you incapable of answering a question? Let's try again.

1. do you think a responsible attorney authoring a memo to his superiors on the legality of waterboarding would be negligent in the slightest to fail to mention a federal prosecution for using the very techniques being researched where the court, the federal prosecutors, the defendants, called the technique torture? Especially given the quite narrow number of cases so directly on point?

2. Where did you see that they plead guilty? It appears from my link that they were tried and convicted

As to your "question", did the sherriff issue memos defining specific rules to follow to ensure he wasn't breaking the law while waterboarding? Waterboarding is illegal torture. Your question is asking "did the sherrif issue memos on how to not break the law while breaking the law." What would have made it "not torture"? having a doctor nearby watching? Only doing it once a day? Writing a memo issuing guidelines on torture doesn't make it not torture.
 
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btw, to address Lemon law's partisan-fueled revisionist history above since FuseTalk won't permit me to quote him directly for some odd reason:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...sh.briefing/index.html

The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States.

Not only that, but the infrastructure "hardening" was addressed by Homeland Security.
 
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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Do you think that sheriff issued memos that defined specific rules to follow to ensure he wasn't breaking the law while waterboarding? The dipshit was setting up illegal traps and extorting money from US citizens. Of course he didn't give a shit about the law.

You're attempting to apply more of that equivocation and pretending all things are equal when all things are NOT equal.

Are you incapable of answering a question? Let's try again.

1. do you think a responsible attorney authoring a memo to his superiors on the legality of waterboarding would be negligent in the slightest to fail to mention a federal prosecution for using the very techniques being researched where the court, the federal prosecutors, the defendants, called the technique torture? Especially given the quite narrow number of cases so directly on point?

2. Where did you see that they plead guilty? It appears from my link that they were tried and convicted
1) No, I don't think a responsible attorney would have been negligent at all because the case actually has to be relevant to be valid. First, neither the sheriff or deputies were not prosecuted for waterboarding or torture. Additionally, the people who were waterboarded were US citizens, not unlawful combatants.

2) The deputies were convicted and sentenced. Sheriff Parker plead guilty and got 10 years. Google it.
 

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Originally posted by: Harvey
You do not defeat evil be becoming the evil you pretend you want to defeat. YOU are living proof. YOU are that evil. :|

Personal ATTACK!!!!!

Where's a mod when you need one :p



You still don't get it - many Americas do not view waterboarding as torture. Typing louder isn't going to change anything. :laugh:
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

btw, to address Lemon law's partisan-fueled revisionist history above since FuseTalk won't permit me to quote him directly for some odd reason:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...sh.briefing/index.html

The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States.

A little more info from your link:

White House releases bin Laden memo

Presidential briefing was at center of Rice's testimony


Wednesday, May 19, 2004 Posted: 12:22 AM EDT (0422 GMT)
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The White House said the presidential daily briefing, or PDB, was requested by Bush, who sought information about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States.

NOTHING issued by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang regarding their conduct can be taken as truth without multiple independent sources of corroboration. We KNOW they lied about anything and everything relating to their criminality in conducting their illegal war of LIES.

Go ahead. Dispute it. I've got the macro waiting.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
2) The deputies were convicted and sentenced. Sheriff Parker plead guilty and got 10 years. Google it.

You said above: "They were charged with extortion and civil rights violations and plead guilty." So I'll accept your amendment without googling if you admit your initial characterization of 4 defendants tried and convicted while one plead guilty does not equal "they".

1) No, I don't think a responsible attorney would have been negligent at all because the case actually has to be relevant to be valid. First, neither the sheriff or deputies were not prosecuted for waterboarding or torture. Additionally, the people who were waterboarded were US citizens, not unlawful combatants.

That's so intellectually dishonest I don't know where to start, and I'm not going to debate it with you. If you told a subordinate that you wanted to waterboard someone and to go do research on waterboarding and how people who've done it have been treated in court, their defenses, etc. and that subordinate didn't come back to you with that Texas case at least FOOTNOTED with why it was different, you'd fucking fire his ass. Or maybe you appreciate incompetent underlings, or ones so loyal they are afraid to tell you the truth. Or maybe, they did mention the case to you, and you said, "don't put that in there, that's bad for us."