Your'e lucky to split in some games I've played some body would call all in with 4, 10 offsuit and then win with 10 high staight LOL
mchammer, every once in a while I open push with AA/KK because it seems so illogical and I frequently get callers.
I think sometimes the open push disguises your hand better. But it is table dependent.
In this case though, OPs move was absolutely optimal. stacks are short, people are willing to go all in. you had somebody raise away 1/4 of their stack already.
I think sometimes the open push disguises your hand better. But it is table dependent.
In this case though, OPs move was absolutely optimal. stacks are short, people are willing to go all in. you had somebody raise away 1/4 of their stack already.
This reasoning kills me. You are advocating not playing certain dominating hands b/c the rest of your competition is reckless? Sure, you will take your share of bad beats but with competition like that, you would absolutely clean up way more than your fair share of time. Understand that in holdem, any one hand can beat another. It is your job to get all your money in the pot with the best hand. The rest is just luck. However, if you succeed in getting your money in with the best hand most of the time, you will be a profitable player.
Besides, are you telling me you wouldn't play as many tournaments as you could (assuming no single tournament would cripple your bankroll) where you are guaranteed AA every hand and where everybody moves all-in pre-flop?
reminds me of a hand I had a few weeks ago.
party SNG.
down to 4 players.
I get AA on the button. probably 3rd in stack size, although everybody was pretty close.
UTG raises 4xBB. I push. he calls with AQo.
board comes 89TJ4 and I bust out on the bubble.
ah well, thats poker.
party SNG.
down to 4 players.
I get AA on the button. probably 3rd in stack size, although everybody was pretty close.
UTG raises 4xBB. I push. he calls with AQo.
board comes 89TJ4 and I bust out on the bubble.
ah well, thats poker.
3chordcharlie
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Actually my understanding of EV is quite good - I wouldn't have a problem playing that exact sequence at an open table.
In a tournament however, you can't take every bet with a positive EV, because you can't eat up losses on good bets and make them up later; out is out.
at blinds 25/50, he can sit and watch as many hands as he wants! I'm not saying he should have folded, but I probably would have called the bet expecting to raise after the flop if it were me. The only card you are afraid of here is an Ace; you can see the flop for cheap, and make your bet with much better knowledge of the odds.
3chordcharlie
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Of course you play the hand - I'm just saying I rarely push all in preflop against reckless players. I might call the all in, late in the betting round.
As to your second question of course I would; that's not an option though.
playing KK like a trapping hand on this play is wrong wrong wrong.
Sorry charlie if my statement about your EV evaluation is inflammatory but I wholly disagree with you.
are you saying to smoothcall preflop, check fold if an ace flops?
If so, I'll point out where you are wrong.
First, hero is out of position on the flop. if an ace flops, hes pretty much forced to check fold. or bet and fold to raise. If he bets the flop, he pretty much has commited half his stack.
But most of the time ace doesn't flop. so lets say unders come on the flop. if unders come, you are pretty confident putting your money in with KK right? But its harder to get your opponent to call unless he also has overpair. He is much less likely to call your bet on a 3 under flop with say AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, then he is willing to call an all in preflop.
and if he had overpairs QQ, JJ, TT anyways, most of the time he would have called your preflop push anyways.
Sorry charlie if my statement about your EV evaluation is inflammatory but I wholly disagree with you.
are you saying to smoothcall preflop, check fold if an ace flops?
If so, I'll point out where you are wrong.
First, hero is out of position on the flop. if an ace flops, hes pretty much forced to check fold. or bet and fold to raise. If he bets the flop, he pretty much has commited half his stack.
But most of the time ace doesn't flop. so lets say unders come on the flop. if unders come, you are pretty confident putting your money in with KK right? But its harder to get your opponent to call unless he also has overpair. He is much less likely to call your bet on a 3 under flop with say AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, then he is willing to call an all in preflop.
and if he had overpairs QQ, JJ, TT anyways, most of the time he would have called your preflop push anyways.
I think you have a serious hole in your game then.
I was just trying to explain why you would want 2 - 3 callers or more even in an elimination tournament holding AA. The only exception I can think of would be if your were a spot or two away from the money or something similar.
we play at different sites and different formats, limits. Besides, because we are discussing an actual situation, playing each other doesn't really examine whats the right play in this specific situation.
I am always happy to play against any ATOT players at NL 25 or NL50. nothing too big to sow bad feelings but big enough where winning still matters.
all in with KK preflop that early is really dumb, you should at the most do a raise and then hope an ace doesn't pop up. on the flop & turn then you can really push it.
Playing each other will shut you up though. All talk, no play. He showed one hand, nothing about how the rest of the game was played. You don't play poker hand to hand. Play each other, and the winner can talk, the losers can continue to play nickle slots.
please look at stack size and then say if its early or not. its not that early. hero is last in chips.
The pure fact that villain called with KQo should alert you to the fact that pushing is the right move.
purbeast0
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so who's e-penis is the biggest in this thread?
seriously, there is NO CORRECT WAY TO PLAY POKER!! play how YOU want. sure there are "smarter" ways to play, which are smarter because you are playing the greater odds. but in the end, it is all down to luck and how you can read people. just have fun playing.
seriously, there is NO CORRECT WAY TO PLAY POKER!! play how YOU want. sure there are "smarter" ways to play, which are smarter because you are playing the greater odds. but in the end, it is all down to luck and how you can read people. just have fun playing.
Correct. It's such a dumb move that he happened to get all his chips in pre-flop against a dominated hand. The OP was over 90% to win the hand and double up. It tough to fault that play.
3chordcharlie
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Fair enuogh - the bet in this hand wasn't terrible; it wasn't even bad, I just think it wasn't the best possible play.
3chordcharlie, please tell me what your line is preflop and on the flop out of position
if A : an ace flops
B : unders flop.
if A : an ace flops
B : unders flop.
Huh? Most people consider correct play = smarter play when it comes to poker. Everybody has the same amount of luck over a large enough sample size. A long-term winning player plays smarter poker or more correct poker (whichever you prefer).
The play is perfect, you planned on limp-reraising. You got the raiser, before you call the pot is 400, with the 200, a pot-sized reraise is 600, which leaves you a grand total of 100 chips left. With that kind of pot commitment preflop, you're allin anyway, so might as well push and see if you can take it down preflop. If the raiser folds to the reraise allin, you pickup 350 chips and have a little more play. If he calls, you're only a 4-1 dog vs one hand, and the minimum you are is 70/30 vs a random hand, up to 4-1 vs another pair. Those of you advocating to just call need to read about tournament equity. The stacks are not deep enough, compared to a cash game, for there to be any other play.
purbeast0
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all i am saying is that he didn't play the hand 'wrong'. he played it how he wanted to play it. regardless of what he did or didnt do, the hand would have been split. if he liked his outcome, im sure he will do it again. if he didnt like his outcome, maybe he won't. who knows, who cares ... only the OP.
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