Cheating in the university

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: kaymin
Cheating is RAMPANT in college. You'd be a fool not to seriously. I'm guessing at least 50% of the students in my comp sci classes cheated on the homework in some fashion. Tests, there's always cheaters sitting next to one another in EVERY test.

It's up to the prof to prevent it. I had this one prof who stepped out of the room for a good ten minutes once. People were breaking out their textbooks.

I mean honestly, if you sit someone next to another so their elbows are touching, how can you not expect cheating.

Fvk'em then.

Never cheated. Never Will. However, I have succumb to letting people copy my homweork.I have been weak and am truly embarrassed by it....they were hot women...I was a fool NEver again

Cheaters are trash to me.

My failure has been in not reporting them when I should have.

I do stand my ground though.


I fvked these people in one of my calc classes up.
I knew they were goign to cheat
they toild me they were goign tot cheat
i tried to convince them not to and actually held a study session before the exam
not only did they detract me from studying by spent the entire time preparing to cheat.
The last thign I said after the session was that I would not help them cheat

1. turns out htey all got really close to me during hte test and was vocal and said no and moved to another desk to take the test...or was it that I stood my ground...I forgot..point is, I didin't let them cheat.


Fvking pissed the living hell out of 'em

Sadly, the hotie still failed and dropped out. SHe was really cute


:laugh:

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Mind your damn business.

you mind your damn business.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Mind your damn business.

you mind your damn business.

He posted a thread in a public forum asking for advice.

 

[magomago]

Bah I'll mention it to him after the midterm and in preperation for the final. Hopefully he will get something new. I'm assuming they cheated last time around, and I still did fine despite that so i'm hoping some something similar.

On a side note, this professor doesn't give out old tests. Some of my other classes post all old finals, which is a lot nicer since everyone is on the same playing field for midterms and finals.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: magomago
Bah I'll mention it to him after the midterm and in preperation for the final. Hopefully he will get something new. I'm assuming they cheated last time around, and I still did fine despite that so i'm hoping some something similar.

On a side note, this professor doesn't give out old tests. Some of my other classes post all old finals, which is a lot nicer since everyone is on the same playing field for midterms and finals.

Just do what you feel is right man. that is all we can ask of ourselves in life.

 

[TallBill]

At most places you can get in just as much trouble for not reporting cheating. Its not snitching.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: magomago
Bah I'll mention it to him after the midterm and in preperation for the final. Hopefully he will get something new. I'm assuming they cheated last time around, and I still did fine despite that so i'm hoping some something similar.

On a side note, this professor doesn't give out old tests. Some of my other classes post all old finals, which is a lot nicer since everyone is on the same playing field for midterms and finals.

so what subjects are you preparing for anyway?

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: TallBill
At most places you can get in just as much trouble for not reporting cheating. Its not snitching.

had someone copy my assignment behind my back, so i tried to turn him in. went to the TA who grades papers and she said, "not my problem. you shouldn't have let him cheat off you." wtf is that......

would have pursued it but the kid dropped out eventually since he never learned anything.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: TallBill
At most places you can get in just as much trouble for not reporting cheating. Its not snitching.

had someone copy my assignment behind my back, so i tried to turn him in. went to the TA who grades papers and she said, "not my problem. you shouldn't have let him cheat off you." wtf is that......

would have pursued it but the kid dropped out eventually since he never learned anything.

Wow, woulda continued up the chain and gone to the professor. Thats a load of crap. Cheating in college is a whole different ballgame then high school.

 

[cheapgoose]

you do know the difference between cheating and having an advantage right? If someone offered you last year's exam and answers, you'd be a fool not to take it. Having an advantage over others is not cheating.

Now if someone offers you an exact copy of the test you are going to take, you report that sh1t to the dean.

 

[Ketteringo]

Everyone at my school studies off the old tests. If the professor doesn't change them, too bad.

I don't see how it's cheating, just a different method of studying.

You're way uptight. You shouldn't let school interfere with your education!

 

[vrbaba]

maybe I missed it...
where did "Cheating" happen??

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: magomago
cliffs:

1. Caught like 10 people copying the midterm solutions from last year (which professor does NOT givve out. not solutions or the test)
2. Also copying tomorrow's HW that is due
3. Feel bummed because they possibly can score artificially high
4. I don't want my future doors to close because of others trying to force them close
5. Should I partake in this to even the board? I don't want to though
6. I hate cliffs, read what i wrote

1. Professors always give out solutions to their tests. Maybe they didn't give out solutions for old tests to your class, but they did give them out to the class who took the test. Once they are out in the public, they are public domain. Most fraternities/sororities keep files of old tests/solutions and professors know this.
2. If they are copying homework, there are two outcomes...if the assignment is designed to be open ended, the cheaters will get caught for having too-similar answers...if the assignment is closed ended (multiple choice, fill-in, etc.), the cheaters will score well, but fail to learn the skills needed to succeed later on.
3. You need to worry more about your own scores. If the cheaters can score well, you definitely can too (without cheating, albiet with more work). As you get into higher levels of education, the teachers design their assignments to weed out cheaters, so your efforts will pay off later. Lower level classes are meant to teach basics, but high class sizes mean less involved assignments.
4. See #3.
5. No, because you will never learn the skills needed later on in your career.

 

[dxkj]

Umm what good do old tests do if you dont memorize the material? If they memorize the old test, then at least they have learned that information. It doesnt mean the questions will be exactly the same, and if they are then they need to remember the information they memorized, so they are still learning.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: desteffy
I taught a couple university courses as a grad student and I looked for and reported cheaters.

I think they should be reported whenever can be, not only does it stop their inflated grades, but it also sends a message to everyone that cheating ISNT ok. If they get away with it they'll just keep doing it.

EDIT: Depending on what the professor says, looking at old tests may be OK. At my undergrad they actually had professors put their old midterms on file at the tutoring center to "level the playing field" since they did not consider looking at old tests cheating, it was a good way to study and know what to expect.

Talk to the professor though, he should know whats going on.

They let grad students teach courses at your university? WTF?

Umm, thats not uncommon. Grad students do it in a lot of universities....

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: magomago
Tomorrow is going to be a big day for me...a big midterm and a HW due for a class. I went to the library to copy my homework since I know i'm not going to get it back (that class had another midterm Tuesday) in time to study.

While I'm sitting here copying the 9 pages of work for the 3 problems assigned, I noticed like 10 people walk into the copy center in the library. They were all the same major.

In their hands: last year's midterm and the homework.

It made me kind of dissapointed. I spent all week slaving to get the HW figured out (my weekend was non existant), where 50% of the time was spent settings things up incorrectly till I finally got it. I also was managing studying time for my midterm in what is probably one oof the hardest classes.

But I see a lot of my work go down the drain and become useless in a few minutes when people get the answers. And not just the answers for the HW, but the answers for last year's midterms. It wouldn't matter if the professor posted all the old midterms to look at, or if the professor changed it every year but professors generally do not change much.

How have you guys handled this? I'm not about to tell the professor because I have to see these people everydae...these people will learn less than 10% of what I know (makes sense since some of the people who alledgedly got As in classes know a lot less than I do when I ask them about something. It is like they are clueless) and THEY will get the A. come time for careers, or jobs, I will be the one left in the dust.
What am I supposed to tell a company "but others cheated!!! I didn't!"...grad school will not beleive "But I have the true desire to learn because unlike others I didn't cheat"

How do you guys in the "real world" handle this? Pretend as if you saw nothing or what? I personally don't want to cheat because I know I will not learn as much as if I do, but at the same time I feel they are gaining an unfair advantage and the only want to even the playing field is to do just this...


Meh hopefully some replies will comes out of this I'll check it in an hour

cliffs:

1. Caught like 10 people copying the midterm solutions from last year (which professor does NOT givve out. not solutions or the test)
2. Also copying tomorrow's HW that is due
3. Feel bummed because they possibly can score artificially high
4. I don't want my future doors to close because of others trying to force them close
5. Should I partake in this to even the board? I don't want to though
6. I hate cliffs, read what i wrote

Most universities require professors to make available to students past years exams for practice exams. These guys have done nothing wrong, u just didnt take advantage of a resource available to you. I bet these example exams are freely available through the academic guidance office or library.

 

[SampSon]

I don't really care, they are there paying their money, that's what it's all about in undergrade. In graduate school you really can't "cheat".

Reality is that the people who are the most resourceful in gaining the correct answer or solution to the problem, no matter what way, are the ones who will succeed in the real world.

 

[GeneValgene]

the ASME (american society of mechanical engineers) chapter at my university archives ALL old tests and homeworks. students who are members are allowed to check them out for 24 hours to make copies of them.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: TallBill
At most places you can get in just as much trouble for not reporting cheating. Its not snitching.

had someone copy my assignment behind my back, so i tried to turn him in. went to the TA who grades papers and she said, "not my problem. you shouldn't have let him cheat off you." wtf is that......

would have pursued it but the kid dropped out eventually since he never learned anything.

Wow, woulda continued up the chain and gone to the professor. Thats a load of crap. Cheating in college is a whole different ballgame then high school.

This goes beyond what you were saying about not reporting cheating.

The TA was absolutely right. Even accidentally, if you enable someone to cheat (not covering up your answers, leaving your test exposed, etc) then you can get in just as much trouble as the cheater. It should be outlined somewhere in your academic policies.

If the TA really wanted to be a douche, he could've gone to the professor and got both of them brought up before the Judicial Board.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
In elementary and high school, don't snitch.

In college, snitch.. SNITCH all fvcking day. The way college administrations assrape cheaters will give you such a feeling of satisfaction.

In my 6th year of college, I have witnessed VERY little cheating here at UF. And, the general consensus seems to be that pretty much anyone would snitch if they witnessed cheating. In college, cheating is just too serious - especially in smaller classes where there's very few good grades given out..

maybe you should have cheated...

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I don't really care, they are there paying their money, that's what it's all about in undergrade. In graduate school you really can't "cheat".

i guess theoritcally you could...like falsifying research (e.g. hwang woo-suk, the korean stem-cell dude)

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene
the ASME (american society of mechanical engineers) chapter at my university archives ALL old tests and homeworks. students who are members are allowed to check them out for 24 hours to make copies of them.

btw, i used to be a TA for thermodynamics, and i have no tolerance for cheating. i find it hilarious when students copy solutions straight from the manual...and when there are errors or typos in the solution manual, they copy the exact same errors...

and people are stupid cheaters too. if you are going to copy your friend's homework, don't turn your homework in at the same time. when i grade my stack of papers, i go in order...like one time i was grading a paper, and i thought to myself, "man, this looks so familiar". i took the homework i had just graded, and compared them...they were IDENTICAL...even the spacing on the page. if you are going to copy, at least turn them in different parts of the stack haha

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: SampSon
I don't really care, they are there paying their money, that's what it's all about in undergrade. In graduate school you really can't "cheat".

i guess theoritcally you could...like falsifying research (e.g. hwang woo-suk, the korean stem-cell dude)

Yea it's definitely possible, but "cheating" at that level takes on a whole new meaning.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: magomago
cliffs:

1. Caught like 10 people copying the midterm solutions from last year (which professor does NOT givve out. not solutions or the test)
2. Also copying tomorrow's HW that is due
3. Feel bummed because they possibly can score artificially high
4. I don't want my future doors to close because of others trying to force them close
5. Should I partake in this to even the board? I don't want to though
6. I hate cliffs, read what i wrote

First off, does the professor allow collaboration? If he does then why are you working on it alone. If he isn't, it is annoying, but you will cream them on the test or at least in later upper-division classes.

Secondly, chances are there are a few who failed the class from before and have the old material. Or maybe they asked someone from a class before to provide the material. It isn't bad to use it as study aid. Most professors actually allow you to see old tests if you go talk to them personally. Some of my professors even gave out old tests online, for study material. If they copied directly off, though, they won't learn anything, and you will p0wn them in higher level classes.

In the real world, you will find that all the time. It is just best to keep doing your job to the best of your ability. Some cheaters prosper, but they will fail at overall life. Most cheaters don't prosper though, because sooner or later it won't work for them, and they will crash hard.

 

[acemcmac]

I don't see where the cheating was either. I just took a stat exam where the prof made it clear we were allowed to use any kind of calculator we wanted. I walked in with my TI-83 and stomped... second one done... 15 minutes into a 1:15 minute exam. Are you going to call me a cheater too?