Che

[TBone48]

Since Nik is asleep at the switch (or actually engaging in real life), I'll say it


WRONG FORUM!!

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: kirkaptain

Originally posted by: PING
a terrorist is another's hero.

George Washington was a terrorist, too.

:roll::|
Idiot. George Washington led an actual uniformed army that fought other uniformed soldiers.

LOL and Che didn't? He wasn't a suicide bomber or Islamic terrorist.

Don't let patriotism blind you. Sure America is a great country, but it doesn't mean everything we have done is right.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: kirkaptain

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
some twit on the forums ^ actually keeps him in his sig. murdering scum. frankly much of the socialist policies in south america are what keep many countries dirt poort

Much of what keeps many South and Central American countries poor is the imperialist policies of a certain Capitalist North American country.

no sorry, its cowardly governments and their people choosing to protect their markets with socialism. and you know very well how that does not work, it just keeps the weak limping along and the strong industries down making everyone suffer. i see japan and south korea doing pretty f*cking well considering our far more direct "imperialist" policies there lol. so dont kid yourself. heck, just look all over asia.

his mythic myrtred hero status was the creation of socialists for propaganda purposes.

The Cult of Che
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

Wow one article by some douche at slate.

Should I point you to some by Jean-Paul Sartre or Albert Camus? Arguably some of the greatest philosophers in the modern West?

"Che was the most complete human being of our age."
-Jean-Paul Sartre

I can tell by your sig that you have a very negative view of the human spirit. BTW I'm the only 'twit' on these forums with Che in his sig :lips:

 

[0roo0roo]

It is better to be wrong by killing no one than to be right with mass graves.
-Albert Camus

not something che would agree with lol

and really, a famous quote is nothing more than a glorified opinion. its like pretending einstien was never wrong. great men can make great contributions to aspects of their expertise while being completely wrong on others... especially those not within their expertise. for instance you could defend segregation through quoting jefferson or lincoln who both believed the africans to be cursed with substandard intelligence that would not allow them to compete and thus their total freedom would be unfair to them. now this doesn't include che as he was rotten to the core. the undefendable actions of che and their horrible reprocussions speak for themselves.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: kirkaptain

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
some twit on the forums ^ actually keeps him in his sig. murdering scum. frankly much of the socialist policies in south america are what keep many countries dirt poort

Much of what keeps many South and Central American countries poor is the imperialist policies of a certain Capitalist North American country.

no sorry, its cowardly governments and their people choosing to protect their markets with socialism. and you know very well how that does not work, it just keeps the weak limping along and the strong industries down making everyone suffer. i see japan and south korea doing pretty f*cking well considering our far more direct "imperialist" policies there lol. so dont kid yourself. heck, just look all over asia.

his mythic myrtred hero status was the creation of socialists for propaganda purposes.

The Cult of Che
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

Wow one article by some douche at slate.

Should I point you to some by Jean-Paul Sartre or Albert Camus? Arguably some of the greatest philosophers in the modern West?

"Che was the most complete human being of our age."
-Jean-Paul Sartre

I can tell by your sig that you have a very negative view of the human spirit. BTW I'm the only 'twit' on these forums with Che in his sig :lips:

Did you even bother to read the piece by "some douche at slate"? Do you deny that Che was involved in:

Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system?the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.

Or maybe these little gems right from Che:

"hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine."

Or Che in a letter to his mother talking about his way of having fun:

"It was all a lot of fun, what with the bombs, speeches, and other distractions to break the monotony I was living in."

There is all sorts of information out there about "The Che" if you choose to see it.

 

[Jzero]

Like most human beings, he did both good and bad things. My main issue with Che Guevara is not folks like Proletariat who have at least done a bit of reading on who he was, but those who wear the iconic Che t-shirt yet when asked have no idea who he was, they just saw it at Hot Topic and thought it was cool.

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevera

Why would you ask Americans? They hate him.

In South America, Europe, Africa and Asia he is a hero.

So sayeth the resident forum commie

 

[asm0deus]

go rent motorcycle diaries if you really want to know..

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: asm0deus
go rent motorcycle diaries if you really want to know..

or not

http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

 

[Red Dawn]

Che's mistake was hitching his horse to the wrong asshole, Castro. For the most part he fought against oppressive Central and South American totalitarian regimes and Central African totalitarian regimes, unfortunately in the name of a Communist Dictator who also ran a Totalitarian regime.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Cause it pisses people off. STFU old farts.

 

[Feldenak]

I love the Che T-shirts...especially when coupled with teenage angst. I was at the DMV last week and saw this kid get out of the car with his mother (I'm assuming for his DL test)...he was wearing a Che t-shirt and getting out of a Jaguar.

Laughed my ass off.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Che's mistake was hitching his horse to the wrong asshole, Castro. For the most part he fought against oppressive Central and South American totalitarian regimes and Central African totalitarian regimes, unfortunately in the name of a Communist Dictator who also ran a Totalitarian regime.

He fought against oppessive regimes by trying to replace them with equally repressive regimes. The man was in charge of La Cabaña prison in Cuba after the overthrow of Batista.

A Cuban prosecutor of the time who quickly defected in horror and disgust named Jose Vilasuso estimates that Che signed 400 death warrants the first few months of his command in La Cabana. A Basque priest named Iaki de Aspiazu, who was often on hand to perform confessions and last rites, says Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad during the period. Cuban journalist Luis Ortega, who knew Che as early as 1954, writes in his book Yo Soy El Che! that Guevara sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.

In his book Che Guevara: A Biography, Daniel James writes that Che himself admitted to ordering "several thousand" executions during the first year of the Castro regime. Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-American CIA operative who helped track him down in Bolivia and was the last person to question him, says that Che during his final talk, admitted to "a couple thousand" executions. But he shrugged them off as all being of "imperialist spies and CIA agents."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Che's mistake was hitching his horse to the wrong asshole, Castro. For the most part he fought against oppressive Central and South American totalitarian regimes and Central African totalitarian regimes, unfortunately in the name of a Communist Dictator who also ran a Totalitarian regime.

He fought against oppessive regimes by trying to replace them with equally repressive regimes. The man was in charge of La Cabaña prison in Cuba after the overthrow of Batista.

A Cuban prosecutor of the time who quickly defected in horror and disgust named Jose Vilasuso estimates that Che signed 400 death warrants the first few months of his command in La Cabana. A Basque priest named Iaki de Aspiazu, who was often on hand to perform confessions and last rites, says Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad during the period. Cuban journalist Luis Ortega, who knew Che as early as 1954, writes in his book Yo Soy El Che! that Guevara sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.

In his book Che Guevara: A Biography, Daniel James writes that Che himself admitted to ordering "several thousand" executions during the first year of the Castro regime. Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-American CIA operative who helped track him down in Bolivia and was the last person to question him, says that Che during his final talk, admitted to "a couple thousand" executions. But he shrugged them off as all being of "imperialist spies and CIA agents."

Yep it seems he became what he was fighting.

 

[Amused]

I love wearing this shirt around college campuses.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/notcool.jpg

Che followers are some of the most ignorant people I have ever seen. Most of them are self described "anarchists" who are, in reality, communists.

Oh, and I believe the ownage of Proletariat in this thread couldn't be any more complete.

What a tool.

 

[Baked]

Perhaps you should ask the CIA.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: kirkaptain

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
some twit on the forums ^ actually keeps him in his sig. murdering scum. frankly much of the socialist policies in south america are what keep many countries dirt poort

Much of what keeps many South and Central American countries poor is the imperialist policies of a certain Capitalist North American country.

Yes it's all America's fault that those poor central and south american's can't seem to make capitalism work and demand a nanny state that takes care of them like children then get upset when their "parents" treat them like children.

Chille is doing quite well and growing their GDP at a substantial rate with nearly free trade with the US.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: kirkaptain

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
some twit on the forums ^ actually keeps him in his sig. murdering scum. frankly much of the socialist policies in south america are what keep many countries dirt poort

Much of what keeps many South and Central American countries poor is the imperialist policies of a certain Capitalist North American country.

Yes it's all America's fault that those poor central and south american's can't seem to make capitalism work and demand a nanny state that takes care of them like children then get upset when their "parents" treat them like children.

Chille is doing quite well and growing their GDP at a substantial rate with nearly free trade with the US.

Look at his post count. Don't even waste your breath on replying to an obvious troll.

Argue all we want about how it is conducted in practice, but if anyone hates capitalism in theory, then why live in this country? Leave. Go find a country that doesn't claim to be capitalistic, instead of trying to change this one.

 

[rahvin]

What actually gets me is that Globalism is actually helping the third world, at least those countries that are intelligent enough to participate, solid enough to prevent corruption and wise enough to allow true economic freedom (even if it doesn't include political freedom). Globalism in the short run is exporting large portions of america's wealth to bring a large segment of the worlds population out of poverty. The key to success is elimination of corruption, participation in free trade and embracing free markets with real judical fairness in handling of property and contracts. Central and South america's biggest problems have been corruption, partial acceptance of free trade and a complete lack of judicial fairness. NAFTA hasn't currenty helped Mexico yet because of the corruption and unfair judiciary.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Amused
I love wearing this shirt around college campuses.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/notcool.jpg

Che followers are some of the most ignorant people I have ever seen. Most of them are self described "anarchists" who are, in reality, communists.

Oh, and I believe the ownage of Proletariat in this thread couldn't be any more complete.

What a tool.

*shrug* I mean its pretty much like 20 to 1 here. Not fair odds I think

When that many people go against one of course the larger number of people sound correct. I think I've made some good points, and his universal acceptance across geographical and racial boundaries is a testament to his life and ideas.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Amused
I love wearing this shirt around college campuses.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/notcool.jpg

Che followers are some of the most ignorant people I have ever seen. Most of them are self described "anarchists" who are, in reality, communists.

Oh, and I believe the ownage of Proletariat in this thread couldn't be any more complete.

What a tool.

*shrug* I mean its pretty much like 20 to 1 here. Not fair odds I think

When that many people go against one of course the larger number of people sound correct. I think I've made some good points, and his universal acceptance across geographical and racial boundaries is a testament to his life and ideas.

No, it's a non-universal testament to the woeful ignorance among those in poverty in 3rd world nations and the ignorance of young college students of first world nations who have no idea what the real story is.

His entire life and all of his ideas were, and are, miserable failures and disastrous violations of basic human rights.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

i don't understand extreme leftists at all in america.

you've got the resources to succeed. just work your own butt off, keep trying, and you can be moderately successful. why bicker, complain, stay angry, even sometimes resort to violence to get what you want? i have absolute no pity against people who complain about social injustices and shiet in any modern wealthy nation.

and proleteriat, change you stupid name, get with the program, stop being ignorant and blindly complain of things. you're just being a tool, flamebait, and have that attitude of wanting to start sh!t just because things does not seem rigtht; as if starting sh!t solves anything

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Amused
I love wearing this shirt around college campuses.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/notcool.jpg

Che followers are some of the most ignorant people I have ever seen. Most of them are self described "anarchists" who are, in reality, communists.

Oh, and I believe the ownage of Proletariat in this thread couldn't be any more complete.

What a tool.

*shrug* I mean its pretty much like 20 to 1 here. Not fair odds I think

When that many people go against one of course the larger number of people sound correct. I think I've made some good points, and his universal acceptance across geographical and racial boundaries is a testament to his life and ideas.

No, it's a non-universal testament to the woeful ignorance among those in poverty in 3rd world nations and the ignorance of young college students of first world nations who have no idea what the real story is.

His entire life and all of his ideas were, and are, miserable failures and disastrous violations of basic human rights.

"The Real Story"?

I mean thats always a catch 22. Who knows what the real story of many 'heroes' are. Many people see others heroes as evil men. Just as GWB is a hero to some, he is a villain to others. Albeit many more think he is evil than Che.

You can never really know, but heroes that gain universal acceptance are usually men to be admired. And I think Che is the only revolutionary hero that has gained worldwide acceptance.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i don't understand extreme leftists at all in america.

you've got the resources to succeed. just work your own butt off, keep trying, and you can be moderately successful. why bicker, complain, stay angry, even sometimes resort to violence to get what you want? i have absolute no pity against people who complain about social injustices and shiet in any modern wealthy nation.

Who says I'm not successful, and Che was VERY wealthy.

It has nothing to do with looking at America as it is. Go abroad and see the condition most of the world is in. If it doesn't move you then you are a cold man.

 

[mercanucaribe]

I don't get it. When a leftist smokes dope and hugs trees, he's a dirty hippie. When he shoots traitors, he's a murderer. There's no pleasing you conservatives.