Che

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rahvin
What actually gets me is that Globalism is actually helping the third world, at least those countries that are intelligent enough to participate, solid enough to prevent corruption and wise enough to allow true economic freedom (even if it doesn't include political freedom). Globalism in the short run is exporting large portions of america's wealth to bring a large segment of the worlds population out of poverty. The key to success is elimination of corruption, participation in free trade and embracing free markets with real judical fairness in handling of property and contracts. Central and South america's biggest problems have been corruption, partial acceptance of free trade and a complete lack of judicial fairness. NAFTA hasn't currenty helped Mexico yet because of the corruption and unfair judiciary.

well that was spot on.

and of course the overall hope is that, once people have economic power, they'll demand political power, and the dictators/whoever is in charge quietly fade off into the sunset (this is our china strategy, in a nutshell).

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: kirkaptain

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
some twit on the forums ^ actually keeps him in his sig. murdering scum. frankly much of the socialist policies in south america are what keep many countries dirt poort

Much of what keeps many South and Central American countries poor is the imperialist policies of a certain Capitalist North American country.

Yes it's all America's fault that those poor central and south american's can't seem to make capitalism work and demand a nanny state that takes care of them like children then get upset when their "parents" treat them like children.

Chille is doing quite well and growing their GDP at a substantial rate with nearly free trade with the US.

Tell that to the American, Asian, and European companies that strongarm third world governments for their benefit... Or to the World Bank's development initiatives that hinder development, worsen education and healthcare, and benefit big corporations.

 

[JLGatsby]

Of the Americans who admire Che, they do it becase his way of thinking is fashionable. There is no other reason.

It's mostly amongst young and unbathed liberals who know little about the world and feel intimidated by those who are successful.

 

[amoeba]

The only reason is that most admirers of Che do not know of his atrocities or choose to ignore them. Obviously Che is a very charismatic person so its natural for him to have a few groupies.

Mao was probably the most revered man in the world 40 years ago but nobody thinks much of him now. Look at Hitler 60 years ago. sometimes the charisma blinds followers to the actions of the idol they worship.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
I don't get it. When a leftist smokes dope and hugs trees, he's a dirty hippie. When he shoots traitors, he's a murderer. There's no pleasing you conservatives.

Yes.

Inevitably people dislike change, equality and the like. New ideas are also greeted with great resistance. The greatness of Che is that he rose above this and fought his enemies on their plane.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Tell that to the American, Asian, and European companies that strongarm third world governments for their benefit... Or to the World Bank's development initiatives that hinder development, worsen education and healthcare, and benefit big corporations.

Oh yea, I forgot, the corporations are also to blame for all the worlds problems. :roll:

This isn't the 1950's where the US government overthrows a central american government at the request of a fruit company. The governments that are being strong armed are being strong armed because they have borrowed beyond their means. Much like it's not the american governments fault that people in this country can't properly manage their credit, it's not the fault of our government that Argentina can't manage it's credit either.

Argentina stood up and blamed all it's problems on america at the conference. When in fact it was their history of overborrowing and protectionism that collapsed their economy. Their own mismanagement that they are attempting to blame on us because it reached the point where they had endebted themselves beyond their ability to pay.

Chavez better pray that oil prices never bottom out because if they do his country will collapse as well. He's successfully creating a nanny state with no real exports other than a commidity that could be marginalized within 50 years. Venezulla will suffer beyond measure because of his politics and economics, but times are good right now and that's all that really matters in the western hemisphere.

 

[dawnbug]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i don't understand extreme leftists at all in america.

you've got the resources to succeed. just work your own butt off, keep trying, and you can be moderately successful. why bicker, complain, stay angry, even sometimes resort to violence to get what you want? i have absolute no pity against people who complain about social injustices and shiet in any modern wealthy nation.

There's plenty to complain about. You just need to open your eyes and look around you. Hard work doesn't solve everything. It's true that things are better here than in a lot of other countries, but there are still a lot of things that can be improved upon.

and proleteriat, change you stupid name, get with the program, stop being ignorant and blindly complain of things. you're just being a tool, flamebait, and have that attitude of wanting to start sh!t just because things does not seem rigtht; as if starting sh!t solves anything

I didn't feel that Proletariat was ignorant or being a tool, flamebait etc in this thread at all. I thought that he came across as knowing what he was talking about and dealt with having a different opinion than the majority very maturely, and I definitely don't think he was starting anything. What's wrong with expressing an opinion, especially when one was asked for?

I don't know enough about Che to have an educated opinion about him, but I feel that everyone's opinion is valid. So grow up a little, DanTMWTMP, and learn to have an educated debate/conversation.

 

[JS80]

I just bought an anti-Che shirt because some asshat hat work worships him. Can't wait to wear it.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: JS80
I just bought an anti-Che shirt because some asshat hat work worships him. Can't wait to wear it.

 

[imported_Snagle]

Originally posted by: JS80
I just bought an anti-Che shirt because some asshat hat work worships him. Can't wait to wear it.

and you thought this was worth bringing back the thread for...:|

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i don't understand extreme leftists at all in america.

you've got the resources to succeed. just work your own butt off, keep trying, and you can be moderately successful. why bicker, complain, stay angry, even sometimes resort to violence to get what you want? i have absolute no pity against people who complain about social injustices and shiet in any modern wealthy nation.

There's plenty to complain about. You just need to open your eyes and look around you. Hard work doesn't solve everything. It's true that things are better here than in a lot of other countries, but there are still a lot of things that can be improved upon.

and proleteriat, change you stupid name, get with the program, stop being ignorant and blindly complain of things. you're just being a tool, flamebait, and have that attitude of wanting to start sh!t just because things does not seem rigtht; as if starting sh!t solves anything

I didn't feel that Proletariat was ignorant or being a tool, flamebait etc in this thread at all. I thought that he came across as knowing what he was talking about and dealt with having a different opinion than the majority very maturely, and I definitely don't think he was starting anything. What's wrong with expressing an opinion, especially when one was asked for?

I don't know enough about Che to have an educated opinion about him, but I feel that everyone's opinion is valid. So grow up a little, DanTMWTMP, and learn to have an educated debate/conversation.

Agreed LadyBuggy.


I still don't like the shirts though...or the young uninformed kids who wear them.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Of the Americans who admire Che, they do it becase his way of thinking is fashionable. There is no other reason.

It's mostly amongst young and unbathed liberals who know little about the world and feel intimidated by those who are successful.

One of the AT members has a giant tattoo of Che on their back, guess who it is?

 

[kogase]

I also like how lots of the kids wearing Che shirts are tree-hugging hippies... yet Che himself was a huge advocate of burning down forests and changing the lush South American environment into a a grey industrial city-scape in order to better provide for the people.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Of the Americans who admire Che, they do it becase his way of thinking is fashionable. There is no other reason.

It's mostly amongst young and unbathed liberals who know little about the world and feel intimidated by those who are successful.

One of the AT members has a giant tattoo of Che on their back, guess who it is?

Oh, DO TELL!
/end stereotypical gay voice

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Of the Americans who admire Che, they do it becase his way of thinking is fashionable. There is no other reason.

It's mostly amongst young and unbathed liberals who know little about the world and feel intimidated by those who are successful.

One of the AT members has a giant tattoo of Che on their back, guess who it is?

Oh, DO TELL!
/end stereotypical gay voice

IIRC, they're posting in this thread, & it's not me.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Just want to say:
This discussion>P+N