Charlie Kirk shot in the neck during Utah debate and has now passed.

[SteveGrabowski]

We are likely past the point of no return already. There will be wide scale political violence or outright civil war before Trumps term is over. It’s always been in the cards and I believe it’s what the right wants because they feel they will win.

I mean that nazi fuck is about to send Texas in to invade Chicago. Already feels like a civil war just about to touch off.

 

[LurchFrinky]

The whole forum showed outcry over it as well it should. Some people here are happy Kirk was assasinated. I don't think that's right.

I'm glad he's no longer with us because he was a piece of shit.
I'm not happy he was assassinated because violence does not solve any of our current political problems.
I'm not going to read all of the replies in this thread again, but I don't recall anybody being happy he was assassinated (although there could be).

 

[kage69]

CNN said the person of interest has been let go...cleared apparently, but then booked?

"He was released from custody after we identified that he did not match the shooting suspect and was not an accurate person of interest. However, he has been booked in the county jail by Utah Valley University Police Department for obstruction of justice. We do still have an active investigation for the person of interest,” Mason said at a news briefing.

So they're still looking...

 

[Thunder 57]

What makes it a "safe space"? You're allowed to say pretty much whatever you want.

True, and that's a good thing. The problem is the masses gang up on someone with a different opinion, which is no fun, and they leave. The result is an echo chamber outside of a few people who stick it out. I would like a place where polite (as far as politics can be polite) exchange of views could be had. I don't think that's possible though, hence the partisan websites we see. Nothing is really "balanced". 25-35 years ago it seemed possible. Today, not so much.

We are likely past the point of no return already. There will be wide scale political violence or outright civil war before Trumps term is over. It’s always been in the cards and I believe it’s what the right wants because they feel they will win.

Unfortunatly I agree. I don't think it will happen before 2028 but we seem to be on the way there. It may very well be the downfall of the US as a superpower. Sad to think about.

 

[zinfamous]

He's dead. Multiple people have confirmed.

 

[HomerJS]

CNN said the person of interest has been let go...cleared apparently, but then booked?

"He was released from custody after we identified that he did not match the shooting suspect and was not an accurate person of interest. However, he has been booked in the county jail by Utah Valley University Police Department for obstruction of justice. We do still have an active investigation for the person of interest,” Mason said at a news briefing.

So they're still looking...

Local FBI. national FBI and the Governer are giving conflicting statements.

Trump white boy competence at work. The long-term local field office director who has many years of experience and is a woman was fired by Trump

 

[zinfamous]

Exactly. All that guy did was rile up people. Just like when some loser took a shot at Trump.

you're right, that guy was a loser. he fucking lost.

 

[HomerJS]

True, and that's a good thing. The problem is the masses gang up on someone with a different opinion, which is no fun, and they leave. The result is an echo chamber outside of a few people who stick it out. I would like a place where polite (as far as politics can be polite) exchange of views could be had. I don't think that's possible though, hence the partisan websites we see. Nothing is really "balanced". 25-35 years ago it seemed possible. Today, not so much.



Unfortunatly I agree. I don't think it will happen before 2028 but we seem to be on the way there. It may very well be the downfall of the US as a superpower. Sad to think about.

If you lie doesn't that warrant immediate discrediting?

 

[Thunder 57]

LOL there are hardly any leftists here, the vast majority of this forum is liberals and conservatives.

Liberal is just a nice way of saying leftist. Liberalism is a good thing.

If I said Kirk's killer was a patriot I would be labeled a hater.

That is the exact thing he said about the intruder that tried to bash in the head of Paul Pelosi. I think it is a fair statement the country is better off with Kirk dead.

So people you don't agree with should be murdered?

That time when a bunch of MAGAT cvnts put on masks and cosplayed as the mythical "ANTIFA" that they invented, went about tossing incendiaries and looting businesses, thinking they wouldn't get caught?

No, I didn't miss that. I do know that it is documented fact that the vast majority of looting and violence in 2020 protests was due to MAGAT fascists trying to start a race and culture war. They were the ones arrested for all the violence.

But you don't live in cities, so you have no fucking clue what is going on the world.

So it was all false flags? Where did you read that? And I happen to live near a major city not in the boonies like you imply.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

True, and that's a good thing. The problem is the masses gang up on someone with a different opinion, which is no fun, and they leave. The result is an echo chamber outside of a few people who stick it out. I would like a place where polite (as far as politics can be polite) exchange of views could be had. I don't think that's possible though, hence the partisan websites we see. Nothing is really "balanced". 25-35 years ago it seemed possible. Today, not so much.



Unfortunatly I agree. I don't think it will happen before 2028 but we seem to be on the way there. It may very well be the downfall of the US as a superpower. Sad to think about.

What the fuck would you expect politeness for when the GOP is kidnapping good people to put into concentration camps and invading cities while forming a new Schutzstaffel in ICE after the big bullshit bill?

 

[Thunder 57]

you're right, that guy was a loser. he fucking lost.

Good thing he did miss. If not that upcoming civil war (coming soon to a theater near you) might have already started. Odd that he was in a Blackrock ad.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Liberal is just a nice way of saying leftist. Liberalism is a good thing.

Nonsense, liberals are more like center right once you get out of the American Overton Window. Liberals believe in capitalism, leftists don't.

 

[gothuevos]

This is fucked up.

Wish we had some leaders that could guide us thru this mess but failures on all sides.

 

[Thunder 57]

What the fuck would you expect politeness for when the GOP is kidnapping good people to put into concentration camps and invading cities while forming a new Schutzstaffel in ICE after the big bullshit bill?

That's some serious TDS. If trump was hitler 2.0 things would look way different. Thankfully we still have serparate branches of government.

 

[gothuevos]

What comes next? That's the frightening part.

Flat out outlawing of the Democratic party as we know it?

 

[Thunder 57]

Nonsense, liberals are more like center right once you get out of the American Overton Window. Liberals believe in capitalism, leftists don't.

Like I said liberals are good. But quite a few people here are leftists who want one party rule.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

That's some serious TDS. If trump was hitler 2.0 things would look way different. Thankfully we still have serparate branches of government.

You're the one with TDS. LOL separate branches of government went out the window as soon as Hitler 2.0 started impounding congressionally allocated funds in January.

 

[Thunder 57]

What comes next? That's the frightening part.

Flat out outlawing of the Democratic party as we know it?

About as likely as Trump running in 2028.

 

[Amused]

So people you don't agree with should be murdered?

Go back and reread what he said. Slowly this time.

He does not advocate for murder. But he does not mourn his loss. Can you grasp the difference?

Reading comprehension is a good thing.

"If I said Kirk's killer was a patriot I would be labeled a hater.

That is the exact thing he said about the intruder that tried to bash in the head of Paul Pelosi. I think it is a fair statement the country is better off with Kirk dead."

Read it very carefully. In point of fact, KIRK celebrated an attempted murderer. Homer merely had no empathy for such a person.

 

[Thunder 57]

Hopefully things cool down when he's out. Question is, is there someone we can agree on to be president?

 

[Thunder 57]

Read it very carefully. In point of fact, KIRK celebrated an attempted murderer. Homer merely had no empathy for such a person.

And I denounced that. It was inflammatory to say not to mention wrong.

 

[kage69]

Local FBI. national FBI and the Governer are giving conflicting statements.

Trump white boy competence at work. The long-term local field office director who has many years of experience and is a woman was fired by Trump

Stupid incompetent white guy leading the FBI... grrr

I get what you're saying, just had a little chuckle

 

[IronWing]

Hopefully things cool down when he's out. Question is, is there someone we can agree on to be president?

Nope. When the Supremes created powers for the President not found in the Constitution, it became intolerable that we should allow a fascist to use those powers. The Supremes have set us up for a civil war and I see no way to avoid it. The confluence of improbable events needed to reach a peaceful resolution of the unlawful stupidity unleashed by this unhinged court is too far a prize.

 

[nakedfrog]

True, and that's a good thing. The problem is the masses gang up on someone with a different opinion, which is no fun, and they leave. The result is an echo chamber outside of a few people who stick it out. I would like a place where polite (as far as politics can be polite) exchange of views could be had. I don't think that's possible though, hence the partisan websites we see. Nothing is really "balanced". 25-35 years ago it seemed possible. Today, not so much.

That's courtesy of the Overton window shifting, and the right moving ever further and further to the right in the past 30 years. In the early 90s, it would be utterly insane to think we'd have someone in office with 1/100th of the scandals and baggage Trump has.

Liberal is just a nice way of saying leftist. Liberalism is a good thing.

No, no it isn't. Every actual leftist I know would consider being called a "liberal" as an insult.

Like I said liberals are good. But quite a few people here are leftists who want one party rule.

Well, here's the thing: this is absolutely, totally, 100% false. If you truly believe there are, please name them specifically.

 

[kage69]

Nope. When the Supremes created powers for the President not found in the Constitution, it became intolerable that we should allow a fascist to use those powers. The Supremes have set us up for a civil war and I see no way to avoid it. The confluence of improbable events needed to reach a peaceful resolution of the unlawful stupidity unleashed by this unhinged court is too far a prize.

If only insurrectionists were ineligible to hold office.