"chances for life on this planet, 100%"

[FTM0305]

Not to mention the "If it is even possible". Our current understanding about the theory of relativity puts moving past light speed in the realm of impossible. A star that is 10 light years away might as well be 1000, it is just too far for us.

Even if we go faster than light somehow, the next problem is how do we know that the star is still there? This isn't star trek. Something would have to send a "faster than light" signal for us to know if it still existed (not likely)

have you read what I said about Worm holes? Like I said, only viable solution to space flight beyond our solar system.

 

[FTM0305]

Actually we're just a bit more familiar with the distances involved, the challenges faced, and the resources needed for such a feat than you are, that's all.

We're a lot more knowledgeable about manned spaceflight than we were in the 60's and 70's. We now know that radiation from solar flares will cook astronauts alive (which almost happened during the Apollo landings). We know that cosmic radiation causes cataracts and increased cancer risks in space travelers. We know that after 6 months in zero gravity, you experience severe bone loss.

Other things people don't realize is the distances involved. They are unimaginable. If our sun is represented by a basketball in Miami Florida, the Earth would be a pea about 100ft from it. Mars would be a seed about 150ft away, and Neptune would be a ping pong ball about 3000ft away. Our closest star to the sun, Alpha Centauri, would be located somewhere around Hollywood California. The planet they discovered is nearly 5x further away than that.

Now, imagine our fastest space craft could travel these distances at about 1/50th the speed of a typical garden snail.

This all puts things into perspective. This next step in human exploration isn't like traversing the oceans or air travel, and those both required manageable amounts of resources. While I believe that interstellar travel will occur, I think it is hundreds- if not thousands - of years off.

I think we'll have worm hole technology within a few decades.

 

[Farang]

Have to wonder who would sign up for a multi-generational ship. Can you imagine being 80 years old, having spent your entire life on a ship built in 1930. Then a ship from 2010 comes whipping by, with a bunch of 25 year olds, who radio you to say they invented a way to do it in a year.

 

[FTM0305]

"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" - 80 year old.

 

[Magusigne]

I'm actually on a team of scientists to work on efficiently putting people under suspended animation induced by H2S for long periods of time. So far. 7 days for a human. We could do more but are IRB panel isn't liking the idea.

Long Story short. Feeding tube is needed. Not temperature Freeze dependent. Body drops to 10% Metabolism (Age at .1 speed). Body temp drops to ambient.

 

[brainhulk]

I'm actually on a team of scientists to work on efficiently putting people under suspended animation induced by H2S for long periods of time. So far. 7 days for a human. We could do more but are IRB panel isn't liking the idea.

Long Story short. Feeding tube is needed. Not temperature Freeze dependent. Body drops to 10% Metabolism (Age at .1 speed). Body temp drops to ambient.

we just start putting putting patients with a witnessed heart attack on ice to lower there core temp and preserve organ function. What temp are you guys getting these people to if I may ask? are they one pressors, neuromuscular blockade, sedatives? etc...

 

[bfdd]

I'm actually on a team of scientists to work on efficiently putting people under suspended animation induced by H2S for long periods of time. So far. 7 days for a human. We could do more but are IRB panel isn't liking the idea.

Long Story short. Feeding tube is needed. Not temperature Freeze dependent. Body drops to 10% Metabolism (Age at .1 speed). Body temp drops to ambient.

damn... h2s is brutal shit dude how the fuck can you safely put people into suspended animation with h2s? that's pretty cool. I used to do a lot of work in the oil industry, h2s is a pretty scary thing to me heh. many a fresh air tanks were used up to avoid it.

 

[Fritzo]

Not to mention the "If it is even possible". Our current understanding about the theory of relativity puts moving past light speed in the realm of impossible. A star that is 10 light years away might as well be 1000, it is just too far for us.

Even if we go faster than light somehow, the next problem is how do we know that the star is still there? This isn't star trek. Something would have to send a "faster than light" signal for us to know if it still existed (not likely)

The expanding of human life spans may alter our perception of "too far away". Life expansion may happen fairly soon, but I think it will be a couple hundred years before we're able to deal with it sociologically. We'll probably go through a period of "haves and have nots", where only the elite get to be deemed immortal. What if the country that comes up with the bio-tech to do this refuses to share? Wars could result. Never ending lifespans would also tax the Earth's resources, causing laws on who can have children...there's lots of problems there.

We may even find ways to warp space-time to decrease distances to the stars. This is very possible- just like Star Trek. Instead of trying to go faster, you can contract space in front of you, and expand space in back of you, and you will have propulsion (it works the same way as a surfer on a surf board). The problem with this is it requires negative energy. We don't know how to make negative energy, but it should be possible. A working warp drive would allow you to travel at a manageable speed, but since the distance travelled would in effect be much shorter. This is an example of a technology that is likely 1000's of years off however due to the energies required.

 

[Fritzo]

I think we'll have worm hole technology within a few decades.

You think wrong Imagine collecting the entire amount of energy our sun produces in a year, and blasting a point in space to rip into space/time. That's what you would need to create a small wormhole.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, I don't need to do anything of the sort. I'm not making claims of when, where, and how it can/should be done. I'm saying that claims of its impossibility and unfeasibility.. made by people without any clue.. are absurd.

Well that's a load off my mind since it's not feasable and I have a clue.

 

[Cogman]

have you read what I said about Worm holes? Like I said, only viable solution to space flight beyond our solar system.

Yep. And the problem is.
A. We've never actually SEEN a worm hole
B. How do you prevent anything that enters a worm hole from being disassembled atom by atom. The only thing close to a wormhole that we have observed is a black hole, which would tear anything into tiny atoms.
C. We still don't know the energy requirements to establish said worm hole. It may be just as impossible as bring a ship to 60% c.

You say within a couple of decades? I say you've been watching too much stargate. 50 years ago we first landed on the moon... and guess what? Our ability to travel through space is roughly the same as it was then.

Heck, even our understanding of physics has, for the most part, stayed the same as it was 50 years ago (Ok, some physist is probably going to jump down my throat for this one, but come on, we are still talking in terms of "the theory of relativity).

People like to make the false association of "Well, look at how far computers have come" with every other advancement in every other field out there. While it has been a boon to them, it isn't a direct relationship. Processing power is only good for so much.

 

[FTM0305]

You think wrong Imagine collecting the entire amount of energy our sun produces in a year, and blasting a point in space to rip into space/time. That's what you would need to create a small wormhole.

What do you mean by "blasting"? I think I read more specifics in religious texts.

 

[DangerAardvark]

no lasers

How bout phasers?

 

[a123456]

What do you mean by "blasting"? I think I read more specifics in religious texts.

The untested theory is that if you concentrate enough energy in a really small area, a wormhole will form. Someone on the order of tons (talking about asteroid belt saturation many) of futuristic lasers all shooting at the same point in space and time.

We're a long way from interstellar travel for now. It seems unlikely to happen within our lifetimes. We'd need way more energy than we have now. Fusion or higher. Antimatter would work much better, though.

Then, we would need to either perfect cryogenics and super AIs or have generational ships. To me, the main problem with generational ships is that based on the current human nature, I'm not sure they would survive the conflicts that would happen just due to general human fighting. Imagine the AI takes the ship over to that planet and they open up a ship just to see a bunch of corpses that have mostly murdered each other from whatever tension that goes on from tons of people being in confined spaces for 40 years.

It's certainly possible, but it'll be a while.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What do you mean by "blasting"? I think I read more specifics in religious texts.

That's because most religious texts are more realistic than making a macroscopic worm hole. An oversimplification is that you need to have a configured energy field of a higher density than spacetime can support. Of course there is the problem of living through entering it and the little concern of when/where you'll emerge assuming you did at all. You might wind up in an entirely different universe.

 

[bfdd]

How bout phasers?

Set them to stun.

 

[bfdd]

That's because most religious texts are more realistic than making a macroscopic worm hole. An oversimplification is that you need to have a configured energy field of a higher density than spacetime can support. Of course there is the problem of living through entering it and the little concern of when/where you'll emerge assuming you did at all. You might wind up in an entirely different universe.

Man isn't sci-fi cool? All I know is at one time we as a species were living in caves and now we can put people on the moon. That's pretty nuts and things have done nothing, but snow ball since it's started. We progress faster and faster everyday it's almost scary. We made a goddamn tractor beam ffs.

 

[Jaepheth]

This is pretty cool, a step in the right direction for identifying habitual planets. I bet we'll keep discovering these at an exponential rate; there are suppose to billions of candidates out there. Next step is just getting there.

I hear Pluto's intervention went well.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Have to wonder who would sign up for a multi-generational ship. Can you imagine being 80 years old, having spent your entire life on a ship built in 1930. Then a ship from 2010 comes whipping by, with a bunch of 25 year olds, who radio you to say they invented a way to do it in a year.

That would make for a funny movie

 

[StinkyPinky]

Regarding things being impossible...I really am surprised at the lack of imagination at such things. Sure, make something going at near light speed seems ridiculous now, but who is to say what the future will hold.

100 years ago a cell phone would be seen as freaking amazing. 300 years ago it will be seen as sorcery. Talking to people on the other side of the world in real-time?!? Impossible!

Flying enormous machines around the world.....impossible! How can such a heavy object get off the ground, that's against the laws of physics.

Computers that you can carry?! Whatever. How can enough tubes fit in that? Pfft. Fitting a billion transistors?! What's a transistor anyway?

What we need simply hasn't been invented yet. Doesn't mean it never will.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

This is pretty cool, a step in the right direction for identifying habitual planets. I bet we'll keep discovering these at an exponential rate; there are suppose to billions of candidates out there. Next step is just getting there.

I hear Pluto's intervention went well.

I agree, it was highly successful -- Pluto sure kicked the habit of being a planet.

 

[zsdersw]

Well that's a load off my mind since it's not feasable and I have a clue.

And some people think it will always not be feasible... which is where they're wrong.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Regarding things being impossible...I really am surprised at the lack of imagination at such things. Sure, make something going at near light speed seems ridiculous now, but who is to say what the future will hold.

100 years ago a cell phone would be seen as freaking amazing. 300 years ago it will be seen as sorcery. Talking to people on the other side of the world in real-time?!? Impossible!

Flying enormous machines around the world.....impossible! How can such a heavy object get off the ground, that's against the laws of physics.

Computers that you can carry?! Whatever. How can enough tubes fit in that? Pfft.

What we need simply hasn't been invented yet. Doesn't mean it never will.

Channel Einstein and stick your tongue out at him. The examples you cite were possible because the laws of the universe didn't prohibit it. To get a spaceship up to speed requires a set amount of energy. You don't have to like it but the universe really doesn't care about that. Possible? Of course, but a deus ex machina is a poor substitute for science e.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And some people think it will always not be feasible... which is where they're wrong.

Your objective scientific proof? You've just made a faith based statement. I rely on the laws of physics. You are wishing completely unencumbered by data.

 

[zsdersw]

Channel Einstein and stick your tongue out at him. The examples you cite were possible because the laws of the universe didn't prohibit it. To get a spaceship up to speed requires a set amount of energy. You don't have to like it but the universe really doesn't care about that. Possible? Of course, but a deus ex machina is a poor substitute for science e.

Yes, because our understanding of the "laws of the universe" is complete.

.. and our methods of generating/storing/directing energy are as good as they're going to get.