Chai Vang guilty on all 6 counts...

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I don't disagree with you. But his story is no different than Vangs. They asked him to leave their property. Perhaps in a threatening way, which they had every right to do. So it's really about as apples to appples as we are gonna find.

it would depend on in what way they were threatening, i think. i don't know of many places where you can threaten somebody's life to protect mere property.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: OS
classy,

In the past I thought you were just an inflammatory racially charged ass, but reading through this thread I have a new appreciation for you.

I'm a pretty whitewash asian guy who never particularly paid much attention to racial issues, but it's clear to me in this case race still stacks against even the "ideal minority". I'm not saying this guy is not guilty of murder, but it's kind of appalling some of these posters in here are trying to pass off racially derogatory speech as something that should be tolerated and accepted.

Shouldn't be that appalling; they're white. What do white people know about racism first hand, besides how to dish it out?

And I'm not talking about ALL white people, just a select few (dead and alive).

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
any other news source on final verdict?

i don't think he should be found guilty of murder.

Are you kiddin me????

 

[IonYou]

Classy doesn't care about white people.

 

[ajf3]

Was listening to Savage on the radio tonight... he had people calling in talking about how this guy isn't out of the norm for the hmong population. They were all saying that there's always groups of 10 or 20 of them in the woods in full camo with AK's & that they act as if they hate whites.

Savage is calling for a hate crime trial for him now...

I know Savage is kinda out there at times, but what's the real situation? Anyone have a local perspective?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ajf3
Was listening to Savage on the radio tonight... he had people calling in talking about how this guy isn't out of the norm for the hmong population. They were all saying that there's always groups of 10 or 20 of them in the woods in full camo with AK's & that they act as if they hate whites.

Savage is calling for a hate crime trial for him now...

I know Savage is kinda out there at times, but what's the real situation? Anyone have a local perspective?

Back when this first happened, they were wondering if it was tied to previous killings of hunters in the area. They thought his vehicle matched the description of one seen in the area at the time of previous killings.

Never did hear what they found out.

 

[Minjin]

Just to clarify, it wasn't 6 guys. One of the people he shot and killed was a girl who was there with her brother and father.

Oh, but she must have had it coming to her...right?

Mark

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Minjin
Just to clarify, it wasn't 6 guys. One of the people he shot and killed was a girl who was there with her brother and father.

Oh, but she must have had it coming to her...right?

Mark

If she was white? You bet!

 

[masterxfob]

to set the record straight, so that i am not accused of being some country bumpkin clan member, i'm asian, born and raised in california, 90% of my friends are asian, i'm dating a latina, and i think this is just absofuckinglutely hilarious. lol, you guys are a barrel of laughs

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: OS
You need to stop beating a dead horse. I didn't see one person in here who seriously justified that those six men needed to die. What they ARE saying if they had even a little bit of tact, all six of them would probably still be alive.

And YOU need to re-read what I was responding to. Classy is saying that the other guys were probably at fault, and he is saying that the only reason all the people who are saying it's an open and shut case are doing so because we are all white and the killer was Asian.

I agree, if some common sense prevailed on all sides, there'd be no killing.

But that is not what I was responding to. I am merely saying that I don't care what race any of them were/are.
And I've repeated it several times in hopes that dense folks would get that.

No, that is not what I said, ever. Not once. What I have said is more than likely they instigated this situation and this guy snapped because of it. I have been in the woods hunting so I know the drill. Its retarded for anyone to believe a crazed hate monger would go in the woods to find people to kill. 2nd on top of that note its even more ridiculous for people to believe that this guy for no reason shoots people. No doubt as in many cases so so many here focus of the actions of the minority totally disregarding the actions of the white person. Even to the point of making excuses for the white person if there is some proof they did do something wrong. For some reason people who posts on these boards level accusations and judgements on a whole group of people if they are minority. Thats why every single black thread always turns into some kind of cross burning. And I gurantee you without a doubt if that guy was white and the dudes were black there would be 500 posts from they majority here justifying the shooting. And trust me the fact of shooting in the back would have been explained away.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: IonYou
Classy doesn't care about white people.

LOL
Yea I hate them so bad, my wife and I are coming up on 10 years of marriage. Woman has even bore my child. Couple of my closest confidants are white dudes. Quite frankly I could care less what color a person is, the problem here is I object and very nastily at times all the damn black bashing. I get sick of reading a bunch of lowlifes because they sit behind a computer say all kinds of vile and disgusting things and get away with it because its against blacks. Well just because no one else will say anything and confront these jerkoffs, I will. And you know what I would also tell you and anyone else the same things to your face.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: classy
What I have said is more than likely they instigated this situation and this guy snapped because of it. I have been in the woods hunting so I know the drill.

You? Hunting? With what, spitwads? You hate guns.

Anyway, you guys are all missing the point here.

I have never made any argument one way or another for the innocence of the victims. We simply don't have enough information. There are no unbiased witnesses, just one convicted murderer & two near murder victims. Who knows what really happened? If it will make you feel any better I will freely agree that they instigated everything. They used racial slurs, they shot first, & they were all wearing white hoods on their hunting trip. He's still guilty of murder.

Originally posted by: OS
I'm not saying this guy is not guilty of murder, but it's kind of appalling some of these posters in here are trying to pass off racially derogatory speech as something that should be tolerated and accepted.

Trying to pass off? This is basic constitutional rights we're talking about.

It is absolutely imperative that "hate speech" be tolerated. I do not accept it, but I MUST tolerate it. Anything less is a black eye for the first amendment. The first amendment wasn't written to protect your right to spew sunshine from a soapbox, it was designed to protect your ability to express an opinion that is not popular.

Viper GTS

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: IonYou
Classy doesn't care about white people.

LOL
Yea I hate them so bad, my wife and I are coming up on 10 years of marriage. Woman has even bore my child. Couple of my closest confidants are white dudes. Quite frankly I could care less what color a person is, the problem here is I object and very nastily at times all the damn black bashing. I get sick of reading a bunch of lowlifes because they sit behind a computer say all kinds of vile and disgusting things and get away with it because its against blacks. Well just because no one else will say anything and confront these jerkoffs, I will. And you know what I would also tell you and anyone else the same things to your face.

Nobody has said anything vile and disgusting about anyone.

With the exception, possibly, of you. As a white male I find your stereotyping & racial slurs to be extremely offensive.

Want to go hunting?



Viper GTS

 

[JinLien]

I hope this incident wouldn?t develop into a backlash against the Hmong communities.

My deceased father always said: when one person in the majority group do something it chart up as an isolate incident. But, someone do something wrong in the minority group it affect his entire race. Therefore we have to calculate every action that we do and work harder to offset the negative label.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Correction, you DON'T have the right to call me whatever you want.

The US Supreme Court would beg to differ.

Doe v. University of Michigan, 1989.

Viper GTS

Sorry but that case went to a federal court, not the supreme court. The supreme court has actually yet to take a case deciding whether campus hate speech is protected or not. link

Hate speech actually recieves at best, limited legal protection;
The Court's opinion in the case stated that there was a category of face-to-face epithets, or "fighting words," that was wholly outside of the protection of the First Amendment: those words "which by their very utterance inflict injury" and which "are no essential part of any exposition of ideas."
link 2

So no, you can't walk around hurling harrasment and racial slurs at minorities and expect 100% legal protection from your actions.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: JinLien

I hope this incident wouldn?t develop into a backlash against the Hmong communities.

My deceased father always said: when one person in the majority group do something it chart up as an isolate incident. But, someone do something wrong in the minority group it affect his entire race. Therefore we have to calculate every action that we do and work harder to offset the negative label.

Honestly the only people that seem to be making a big deal out of his race are the Hmong themselves.

The guy lived in the US for 20 years, as far as I'm concerned where he came from doesn't matter.

I do take issue with all the people who are defending him just because they have the same color skin, but my issue is with their stupidity - Not their race.

OS

Looks like you are correct, most sites I found said it was supreme court but I think you're right.

So no, you can't walk around hurling harrasment and racial slurs at minorities and expect 100% legal protection from your actions.

Of course not, there are plenty of laws that would cover that. Being a public nuisance is not a protected right.

Viper GTS

 

[Gunslinger08]

This is, by far, the stupidest thread I have ever read.

NOTHING BESIDES BEING SHOT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THIS GUY A RIGHT TO SHOOT EVEN THE ONE WHO SHOT HIM. Going beyond that, there is absolutely nothing he can say to explain why he shot the other 7 people (mostly in the backs). THIS IS NOT A CASE ABOUT RACISM. This is a case about a fvcking whacko who killed 6 people. I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK WHICH RACES THE KILLER OR VICTIMS WERE. There is absolutely no non-retarded, non-biased, non-idiotic argument for giving this guy anything less than 8 consecutive life terms in prison, and labeling him as a menace to society.

 

[da loser]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Honestly the only people that seem to be making a big deal out of his race are the Hmong themselves.

I do take issue with all the people who are defending him just because they have the same color skin, but my issue is with their stupidity - Not their race.

Of course only the minorities bring up the race issue, they are the ones affected in this case. Some in the hunters said racist things to them, and judging by the Savage comments, there is an underlying racist tone to this case and community. JinLien's comments only seek to tone down the backlash of the community. Yet you see this statement as bringing up race. This statement is merely stating the current situation, which you choose to ignore or belittle. To have the majority say they have racist members among them would be difficult. That those members helped ignite the situation. well judging from just this thread, it won't happen.

Are you a racist? no. But, rather someone who does not seek to understand Vang's point of view. Thus you lack sympathy for his situation.

You take issue with the defense because you see the case too simplistically as someone killing 6 people. You don't look at the motive at all, you don't place yourself in Vang's situation and try to understand why he did what he did. This is not a case of people defending him because of skin color. It's people that place themselves in Vang's situation and reason why he would kill 6 people that are able to come to his defense, not as a cold blooded killer hunting down 6 people, possibly because they said racist things to him, as many here believe, but as a person placed in an unfortunate circumstance that killed 6 people because in his mind it was what he needed to do to survive.

why do you think Vang killed the first guy? Why did he kill the other 5 people?

 

[Subterranean Homesick Alien]

Originally posted by: da loser

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Honestly the only people that seem to be making a big deal out of his race are the Hmong themselves.

I do take issue with all the people who are defending him just because they have the same color skin, but my issue is with their stupidity - Not their race.

Of course only the minorities bring up the race issue, they are the ones affected in this case. Some in the hunters said racist things to them, and judging by the Savage comments, there is an underlying racist tone to this case and community. JinLien's comments only seek to tone down the backlash of the community. Yet you see this statement as bringing up race. This statement is merely stating the current situation, which you choose to ignore or belittle. To have the majority say they have racist members among them would be difficult. That those members helped ignite the situation. well judging from just this thread, it won't happen.

Are you a racist? no. But, rather someone who does not seek to understand Vang's point of view. Thus you lack sympathy for his situation.

You take issue with the defense because you see the case too simplistically as someone killing 6 people. You don't look at the motive at all, you don't place yourself in Vang's situation and try to understand why he did what he did. This is not a case of people defending him because of skin color. It's people that place themselves in Vang's situation and reason why he would kill 6 people that are able to come to his defense, not as a cold blooded killer hunting down 6 people, possibly because they said racist things to him, as many here believe, but as a person placed in an unfortunate circumstance that killed 6 people because in his mind it was what he needed to do to survive.

why do you think Vang killed the first guy? Why did he kill the other 5 people?

This has been my position ever since I first heard of this story last year. From the very beginning I was sympathetic towards this guy, regardless of whether he was justified in killing six people or not. And I'm a white guy with no Asian blood whatsoever, so race has nothing to do with me being sympathetic towards his plight.

 

[yourdeardaniel]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: JinLien

I hope this incident wouldn?t develop into a backlash against the Hmong communities.

My deceased father always said: when one person in the majority group do something it chart up as an isolate incident. But, someone do something wrong in the minority group it affect his entire race. Therefore we have to calculate every action that we do and work harder to offset the negative label.

Honestly the only people that seem to be making a big deal out of his race are the Hmong themselves.

The guy lived in the US for 20 years, as far as I'm concerned where he came from doesn't matter.

I do take issue with all the people who are defending him just because they have the same color skin, but my issue is with their stupidity - Not their race.

OS

Looks like you are correct, most sites I found said it was supreme court but I think you're right.

So no, you can't walk around hurling harrasment and racial slurs at minorities and expect 100% legal protection from your actions.

Of course not, there are plenty of laws that would cover that. Being a public nuisance is not a protected right.

Viper GTS

how can you call people who have a different opinion from yours stupid? i guess everyone who disagrees with you is stupid?
have you ever been a victim of racism? or have racial slurs yell at you? have you ever been in a situation where you felt your life was threaten and you were surrounded by 8 other people looking to kick your ass or even kill you? if you haven't then you probably do not know how Chai Vang might have felt at that moment.
yeah so what if i have the same color skin as the killer? does that change anything, does that make my opinion any less important than yours ?
i'm not defending him because i had the same color as him, i just feel that there's more to it then some crazy Hmong guy killing 6 white people and injuring 2. this guy has serve in the US army, has gain recognition etc for his skill. and to have ignorant white hunters yell racist stuff at him because the color of his skin and ethnicity is something that i find disrespectful. killing those people might be wrong, but i can understand why he would have done it. i think racism, harassing, disrespecting and dishonoring someone is a big issue. you don't go around yelling racism slurs at someone and expect nothing to happen. i would probably fefel no sympathy for this guy if he was killing them for no reason or he wasn't provoke.

 

[weirdichi]

Originally posted by: ajf3
Was listening to Savage on the radio tonight... he had people calling in talking about how this guy isn't out of the norm for the hmong population. They were all saying that there's always groups of 10 or 20 of them in the woods in full camo with AK's & that they act as if they hate whites.

Savage is calling for a hate crime trial for him now...

I know Savage is kinda out there at times, but what's the real situation? Anyone have a local perspective?

Bwahahahaha! Funniest thing I've heard! First off, I'm Hmong. I live in the Twin Cities, home to one of the largest (if not THE largest) Hmong population in the US. There are some that follow the rules, and then there are some that do not. One bad apple, unfortunately, ruins it for the rest.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
killing those people might be wrong

you have problems

 

[orion23]

I believe the Asian guy story.

I think it would be very likely that he would be insulted and even abused in any way if he were to be found lost and on his own, specially when talking about 6 other hunters.
I don't like hunters. There is something about killing animals that I find cold blooded.
I compare it to killing a human. It is a live.
Unfortunately there is no way to prove the guy is saying the truth.
I can only wonder what everybody's prior records would reveal?
I know they are not acceptable in court, but hopefully a documentary or newspaper story can reveal some more details.
I'd like to know what kind of record the 6 guys had Vs the Asian guy's record!

 

[Pocatello]

Note to self, don't start taunting people with assault rifles in the woods.