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weirdichi

weirdichi

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Sep 19, 2001
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Didn't surprise me one bit. Sad day for the Hmong community in that for every positive step we take, there's always some negativity to bring us back. Hopefully everybody can learn from this.
 
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Viper GTS

Lifer
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Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
i don't think he should be found guilty of murder.
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What exactly would you call it when you shoot six people?

Let me put this in clearer terms for you:

The crime rocked the northwoods, and not just because of its shocking nature - four of the victims were shot in the back and all but one were unarmed, according to testimony.
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Even if everything happened exactly as he said & they started shooting at him he is still guilty of murder.

Viper GTS
 
weirdichi

weirdichi

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Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
any other news source on final verdict?

i don't think he should be found guilty of murder.
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I'm Hmong and even I thought he was guilty. I think his own testimony and interviews did him in. He didn't even have a chance.
 
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jamerdean

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Originally posted by: weirdichi
Didn't surprise me one bit. Sad day for the Hmong community in that for every positive step we take, there's always some negativity to bring us back. Hopefully everybody can learn from this.
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lesson 1 - dont miss
lesson 2 - dont wound
lesson 3 - no witnesses



 
sygyzy

sygyzy

Lifer
Oct 21, 2000
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Definitely no surprise here, except I am surprised at the reaction of everyone here. ATOT has always been huge fans of vigilante justice and standing up for yourself. When one user posted about how he (nearly?) killed a thief, you all cheered. You thought it was great, even though the thief was exiting the premises and appeared to have no visible weapons or posed any threat. Simply calling the cops was not enough. Take the law into your hands, you all said. Yeah!

Every account of this case has included the survivors testifying that the suspect apologized and was EXITING the area peacefully. But that was not enough. Racial slurs and assault (touched him to grab his hunting license) followed. At least one of them had a gun. Then they called ATV's (loud and menacing in the otherwise quiet woods) to come in. For what? 2-3 big white hunters was not enough? Let's call in the Klan?

After all this and you'd expect them NOT to get shot? Did you expect thim to turn around and get on his knees for some Hmong and Whitey love fest?

Who shot first? They said they never fired a shot. He thought they did. But who cares right? Should he have waited til he was further assaulted before retaliating? He felt endangered for his life by a bunch of bullies. Maybe next time they'll think twice when someone apologizes and was peacefully leaving.

He certainly deserves to go to jail, but don't tell me you don't see how it could have happened.
 
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loup garou

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Definitely no surprise here, except I am surprised at the reaction of everyone here. ATOT has always been huge fans of vigilante justice and standing up for yourself. When one user posted about how he (nearly?) killed a thief, you all cheered. You thought it was great, even though the thief was exiting the premises and appeared to have no visible weapons or posed any threat. Simply calling the cops was not enough. Take the law into your hands, you all said. Yeah!

Every account of this case has included the survivors testifying that the suspect apologized and was EXITING the area peacefully. But that was not enough. Racial slurs and assault (touched him to grab his hunting license) followed. At least one of them had a gun. Then they called ATV's (loud and menacing in the otherwise quiet woods) to come in. For what? 2-3 big white hunters was not enough? Let's call in the Klan?

After all this and you'd expect them NOT to get shot? Did you expect thim to turn around and get on his knees for some Hmong and Whitey love fest?

Who shot first? They said they never fired a shot. He thought they did. But who cares right? Should he have waited til he was further assaulted before retaliating? He felt endangered for his life by a bunch of bullies. Maybe next time they'll think twice when someone apologizes and was peacefully leaving.

He certainly deserves to go to jail, but don't tell me you don't see how it could have happened.
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Wow....just...wow.
 
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classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
sygyzy
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Classy? Is that you?

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LOL Nah man that ain't me.
But I don't agree with murder. While you know I apologized for my rant when this first happened, there ain't much doubt in my mind those men started it. For anyone to think a bunch of white dudes, and you hate the categorize folks, but they were probably rednecks, didn't start some stuff with that man your head is in the clouds or up somewhere else. I still believe they started it and the dude went off when the adrenaline kicked in and he was better than them. Man slaughter probably with a chance at parole after about 20, but murder of 6 "innocent" white guys is a joke. Those men were anything but innocent and thats not to excuse this nutcase either.
 
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PG

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Oct 25, 1999
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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Definitely no surprise here, except I am surprised at the reaction of everyone here. ATOT has always been huge fans of vigilante justice and standing up for yourself. When one user posted about how he (nearly?) killed a thief, you all cheered. You thought it was great, even though the thief was exiting the premises and appeared to have no visible weapons or posed any threat. Simply calling the cops was not enough. Take the law into your hands, you all said. Yeah!

Every account of this case has included the survivors testifying that the suspect apologized and was EXITING the area peacefully. But that was not enough. Racial slurs and assault (touched him to grab his hunting license) followed. At least one of them had a gun. Then they called ATV's (loud and menacing in the otherwise quiet woods) to come in. For what? 2-3 big white hunters was not enough? Let's call in the Klan?

After all this and you'd expect them NOT to get shot? Did you expect thim to turn around and get on his knees for some Hmong and Whitey love fest?

Who shot first? They said they never fired a shot. He thought they did. But who cares right? Should he have waited til he was further assaulted before retaliating? He felt endangered for his life by a bunch of bullies. Maybe next time they'll think twice when someone apologizes and was peacefully leaving.

He certainly deserves to go to jail, but don't tell me you don't see how it could have happened.
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Almost every single thing you said is wrong. I don't even know where to start for sure, but I'll give it a shot:
- every account said he was leaving peacefully? prove this statement
- racial slurs? again, prove this, some witnesses say this isn't true
- touched him? ...., again where is the proof? never heard this one before, I think you made it up
- at least one had a gun? yes, one of them, but that was all they found
- called ATV's? wrong, one ATV came and it was because the people getting shot called for help. The unarmed people on the ATV who came to help out got shot and killed
- was peacefully leaving? Bullsh!t, he shot most of them in the back.

Talk about an a-hole, you have major problems. Calling people Whitey and Klan members, you got some nerve and you are the one who is racist.
 
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Mucho

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Anyone who were ever a victim of racism would have seen this quite differently, an all white jury did not help his case one bit.
 
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classy

Lifer
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Cliff notes

Asian dude wanders on private property. White dudes start talking stuff. Asian dude is a loose Cannon. Asian dude goes off and starts capping folks. Asian dude never sees the outside world again. White dudes, 6 bodies 6 feet under, and 2 who'll probably live with nightmares about that day the rest of their life. Unfortunately it wasn't a movie.
 
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CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Mucho
Anyone who were ever a victim of racism would have seen this quite differently, an all white jury did not help his case one bit.
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Suffering from racism does not allow someone to commit murder.
 
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classy

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Mucho
Anyone who were ever a victim of racism would have seen this quite differently, an all white jury did not help his case one bit.
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Suffering from racism does not allow someone to commit murder.
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In some cases it does. Its called self defense. In many cases where racism is being comitted the victim is killed.
 
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CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Mucho
Anyone who were ever a victim of racism would have seen this quite differently, an all white jury did not help his case one bit.
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Suffering from racism does not allow someone to commit murder.
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In some cases it does. Its called self defense. In many cases where racism is being comitted the victim is killed.
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I'm refering to someone using racial slurs or any other sort of non-physically violent activity. I'm ok with self-defense.
 
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KingofCamelot

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Mucho
Anyone who were ever a victim of racism would have seen this quite differently, an all white jury did not help his case one bit.
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Suffering from racism does not allow someone to commit murder.
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In some cases it does. Its called self defense. In many cases where racism is being comitted the victim is killed.
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Nice way to spin that one. He was quiet clearly talking about verbal racism, so of course you bring up violent assaults that involve racisim.

As far as I see it, its fairly simple. Guy got called racist terms (questionable), goes crazy, and kills 6 people. How can anyone claim that racist terms justify that?
 
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classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Mucho
Anyone who were ever a victim of racism would have seen this quite differently, an all white jury did not help his case one bit.
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Suffering from racism does not allow someone to commit murder.
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In some cases it does. Its called self defense. In many cases where racism is being comitted the victim is killed.
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Nice way to spin that one. He was quiet clearly talking about verbal racism, so of course you bring up violent assaults that involve racisim.

As far as I see it, its fairly simple. Guy got called racist terms (questionable), goes crazy, and kills 6 people. How can anyone claim that racist terms justify that?
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Oh I see, if I and my family are out and you and couple of your flunkys start slinging racial stuff at us and I break off lil something I am the bad guy. Hey try this on for size, just stfu and keep comments to yourself or spew it the privacy of your own home and maybe your punk @ss won't end up in the hospital or worse.
See you're just the kind of jack@ss I am talking about, nobody has to take physical or verbal abuse. Its that kind of thinking more than likely is why 6 bodies are now ice cold. You don't have the right under any circumstances to abuse any minority verbally and think its ok.
Boy please
 
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