CCIE wireless

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The CWNE program was not being defended...the knowledge you'd need is. Let me guess you are one of those guys that makes 1/4 what the CWNE you must know makes yet tells them what to do all day.

The point was knowing wired <> knowing wireless.

I never said that knowing wired meant you knew wireless. I said that if you know wired, wireless is simple.

Are there differences? Yes. Is there more to it? Yes. That doesn't mean it's difficult stuff to learn (provided you know the wired part). I forgot though, you have your CCNA so you *must* know more than spidey (or any of the people I work with who are CCNP or higher certified).

 

[drebo]

Wow...I vote we sticky this thread for posterity's sake. It's, like, the best!

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The CWNE program was not being defended...the knowledge you'd need is. Let me guess you are one of those guys that makes 1/4 what the CWNE you must know makes yet tells them what to do all day.

The point was knowing wired <> knowing wireless.

I never said that knowing wired meant you knew wireless. I said that if you know wired, wireless is simple.

Are there differences? Yes. Is there more to it? Yes. That doesn't mean it's difficult stuff to learn (provided you know the wired part). I forgot though, you have your CCNA so you *must* know more than spidey (or any of the people I work with who are CCNP or higher certified).

Not saying I know everything because I have a CCNA...I am just saying you started yours the same time I started mine. I never said any of this was easy...but I got my CCNA, I don't think you have.

If you think wireless is simple once you know wired, you should be a CCNP by now. They aren't going to test you much on the commonalities BTW..you will be tested on wireless issues.

Like I said I don't think you have any idea what real enterprise level wireless is about, it's nothing like dropping a few WAP's and PCI card into a typical office building usually at those levels.

I think you have a lot to learn. BTW my brother has been a CCIE for nearly 10 years.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Alkemyst is a known idiot who talks out of his ass.

If you know wired, wireless is simple (WLAN, WWAN might be more difficult but shouldn't be if you know your WAN stuff). All you do is add some more about the framing of packets, transmission characteristics, and things like that. Wireless isn't difficult if you understand networking.

dude have you gotten your CCNA yet, I got mine.

here is some differences you don't see in wired, we sort of laughed about your comment here:

Wireless is very involved.  It involves things like wireless IPS, rogue AP detection/mitigation, location tracking, mobile ip, HREAP, lightweight and autonomous access points, bridging, numerous security and authentication mechanisms, WDS, layer 2 and layer 3 roaming, and that?s just some of the technology side, not to mention of course numerous RF issues.  There are like less than 100 or so CWNE?s in the world......that?s the level a CCIE Wireless would need to be at.

so I guess I am still the idiot.

Pretty much. Considering you spouted off something you had to run to somebody else for something you don't even understand. All of the stuff your brother spouted off is common working level knowledge for somebody that deals with wireless. You have to know all that just do design/implement them properly.

But there's MORE!
Mobile IP - requires networking fundamentals you would gain with wired
HREAP - again, more fundamentals of bridging and difference between control plan and data plane
layer2/3 roaming - still based on wired fundamentals and OSI

To put it simply, wireless is easy if you have a strong fundamental background. Tell your brother that I've implemented over 30 WLSMs and over 100 wireless lan controllers including about 40 WiSMs. And don't even get me started about how many WCS servers or location appliances.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The CWNE program was not being defended...the knowledge you'd need is. Let me guess you are one of those guys that makes 1/4 what the CWNE you must know makes yet tells them what to do all day.

The point was knowing wired <> knowing wireless.

I never said that knowing wired meant you knew wireless. I said that if you know wired, wireless is simple.

Are there differences? Yes. Is there more to it? Yes. That doesn't mean it's difficult stuff to learn (provided you know the wired part). I forgot though, you have your CCNA so you *must* know more than spidey (or any of the people I work with who are CCNP or higher certified).

Not saying I know everything because I have a CCNA...I am just saying you started yours the same time I started mine. I never said any of this was easy...but I got my CCNA, I don't think you have.

If you think wireless is simple once you know wired, you should be a CCNP by now. They aren't going to test you much on the commonalities BTW..you will be tested on wireless issues.

Like I said I don't think you have any idea what real enterprise level wireless is about, it's nothing like dropping a few WAP's and PCI card into a typical office building usually at those levels.

I think you have a lot to learn. BTW my brother has been a CCIE for nearly 10 years.

IIRC you said you had started your CCNA a long time ago but never got it. Regardless of that, I am taking mine through college instead of self study.

Regardless, it's not all about the certs anyways. I'm glad you know what level of knowledge I have of networking. Nevermind the fact I am working in the IT dept of a Fortune 50 company on the network team (which for the record we are depolying Cisco 802.11N access points to expand our wireless network). Nevermind the fact that I spend time every week working on Cisco equipment you most likely have never touched (Catalyst 7000 series switches as one example). Nevermind the fact that I have access (and use) our works lab equipment to practice networking using real world equipment (6509 switches, 3750G switches, etc). Nevermind the fact that I am building networks using 10 gig equipment. Nevermind the fact that I am working on the team who is expanding our data center by 14,000 additional sq ft, and working with them during that deployment. I don't have my CCNA, so that means I don't know what I'm talking about with you since you have your CCNA.

Oh and if you want to play the "I have my CCNA and you don't so I know more" card, fine. Spidey has his CCNP. You lose.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
IIRC you said you had started your CCNA a long time ago but never got it. Regardless of that, I am taking mine through college instead of self study.

Regardless, it's not all about the certs anyways. I'm glad you know what level of knowledge I have of networking. Nevermind the fact I am working in the IT dept of a Fortune 50 company on the network team (which for the record we are depolying Cisco 802.11N access points to expand our wireless network). Nevermind the fact that I spend time every week working on Cisco equipment you most likely have never touched (Catalyst 7000 series switches as one example). Nevermind the fact that I have access (and use) our works lab equipment to practice networking using real world equipment (6509 switches, 3750G switches, etc). Nevermind the fact that I am building networks using 10 gig equipment. Nevermind the fact that I am working on the team who is expanding our data center by 14,000 additional sq ft, and working with them during that deployment. I don't have my CCNA, so that means I don't know what I'm talking about with you since you have your CCNA.

Oh and if you want to play the "I have my CCNA and you don't so I know more" card, fine. Spidey has his CCNP. You lose.

wow, you are help desk or a toner monkey because no Fortune 50 is going to let a college dude without any certs do much more? I am sure your team would be lost without you. 14,000 more square feet WOW! You going to be running shit back and forth?

I am working for a Fortune 500. I am the sole hardware guy on my team, lead programmer for the website as well as dabble in our network stuff. We have 30 servers alone in my office. Cisco routers, switchs, voice gateways, riverbed, yadda yadda yadda. I am not just one of 20-30 dudes running patch cables and pinging systems. Certs were not so important when I started doing this, now they are sort of needed should I want to move or need to.

Like I said if you think knowing wireless is simple if you know wired and you are such an expert, getting your CCNA should be a no brainer. I had mentioned I had started my CCNA before. I didn't have the time then to put effort into it so it didn't go anywhere.

I am working on home improvements right now, but plan to continue CCNP soon. I will keep you updated, I will probably have my CCNP by the time you test CCNA.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Pretty much. Considering you spouted off something you had to run to somebody else for something you don't even understand. All of the stuff your brother spouted off is common working level knowledge for somebody that deals with wireless. You have to know all that just do design/implement them properly.

But there's MORE!
Mobile IP - requires networking fundamentals you would gain with wired
HREAP - again, more fundamentals of bridging and difference between control plan and data plane
layer2/3 roaming - still based on wired fundamentals and OSI

To put it simply, wireless is easy if you have a strong fundamental background. Tell your brother that I've implemented over 30 WLSMs and over 100 wireless lan controllers including about 40 WiSMs. And don't even get me started about how many WCS servers or location appliances.

i didn't have to run it by him...I was talking to him at the time and mentioned it. I don't think many here that touch wireless know anything about what those concepts are. Again I wasn't talking to you...you seem to know what you are doing, but at the same time you telling me that any network engineer that knows anything should be making $140-160k in Kentucky is a bit nuts.

Since you are self-proclaimed to be a so-called expert you must be on the higher side of that. Your rollouts are decent, but really small potatoes to the people I know that are doing this as well.

Your friend McQuerry would have a chuckle at some of this stuff as well...how many CCIE's have you trained? I thought that was impressive since you don't have your's but you claimed to turn out many of them....pretty cool.

 

[spidey07]

This is hilarious.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: spidey07
This is hilarious.

stfu noob

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

wow, you are help desk or a toner monkey because no Fortune 50 is going to let a college dude without any certs do much more? I am sure your team would be lost without you. 14,000 more square feet WOW! You going to be running shit back and forth?

No, actually I don't touch toner. Nor am I help desk. I don't take support calls sorry. And don't believe it, but others on here (in this thread actually) know that is the truth. Maybe you work for some shit hole, but some companies (like mine) work to develop their employees. I know my team wouldn't be *lost* without me, but I am simply part of a team who works together to reach the goals of the department and the company. My company is a Fortune 50 company, and this one I'm at is one of the top 10 data centers in the state. The management of both of my departments (I work in two actually), let me work with both teams. Oh, and while we're on the subject about 1/2 the network people don't have *any* certs currently. Guess what, they know what they are doing. Certs aren't everything as you are claiming.

I am working for a Fortune 500. I am the sole hardware guy on my team, lead programmer for the website as well as dabble in our network stuff. We have 30 servers alone in my office. Cisco routers, switchs, voice gateways, riverbed, yadda yadda yadda. I am not just one of 20-30 dudes running patch cables and pinging systems. Certs were not so important when I started doing this, now they are sort of needed should I want to move or need to.

Well congrats on being the sole hardware guy and lead programmer. Here's a . You have 30 servers in your office huh? We have 30 servers in a rack (1/2 U HP Prolient blades, 16 per chassis), 11 racks per row on the Wintel 1/2, and 10 rows. That's just on the expansion, not including the old raised floor space. We have more equipment for one row then you have for your office. We actually don't have a team of 20-30 just running patch cables and pinging systems. We bring in temps to run the cables, and have other tools to manage system (we don't simply ping them). Certs are more needed now, but CCIE (the topic of this thread) is overkill for most. Most people that have been doing this stuff without certs for years, could go get their *required* cert anytime they choose.

Like I said if you think knowing wireless is simple if you know wired and you are such an expert, getting your CCNA should be a no brainer. I had mentioned I had started my CCNA before. I didn't have the time then to put effort into it so it didn't go anywhere.

I am working on home improvements right now, but plan to continue CCNP soon. I will keep you updated, I will probably have my CCNP by the time you test CCNA.

If you're giving spidey a hard time about CCIE, then how come you didn't get your CCNA before? CCNA should be easy right? How about we talk time that we started learning stuff for CCNA until we actually obtained it? I won't be spending years between learning it and getting it.

Go get your CCNP, have fun with that. I'm not in a rush to get my cert, because frankly real world knowledge>cert. I'll put the time and energy into learning real world since i have the oppertunity available while you have fun learning your CCNP stuff.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
IIRC you said you had started your CCNA a long time ago but never got it. Regardless of that, I am taking mine through college instead of self study.

Regardless, it's not all about the certs anyways. I'm glad you know what level of knowledge I have of networking. Nevermind the fact I am working in the IT dept of a Fortune 50 company on the network team (which for the record we are depolying Cisco 802.11N access points to expand our wireless network). Nevermind the fact that I spend time every week working on Cisco equipment you most likely have never touched (Catalyst 7000 series switches as one example). Nevermind the fact that I have access (and use) our works lab equipment to practice networking using real world equipment (6509 switches, 3750G switches, etc). Nevermind the fact that I am building networks using 10 gig equipment. Nevermind the fact that I am working on the team who is expanding our data center by 14,000 additional sq ft, and working with them during that deployment. I don't have my CCNA, so that means I don't know what I'm talking about with you since you have your CCNA.

Oh and if you want to play the "I have my CCNA and you don't so I know more" card, fine. Spidey has his CCNP. You lose.

wow, you are help desk or a toner monkey because no Fortune 50 is going to let a college dude without any certs do much more? I am sure your team would be lost without you. 14,000 more square feet WOW! You going to be running shit back and forth?

I am working for a Fortune 500. I am the sole hardware guy on my team, lead programmer for the website as well as dabble in our network stuff. We have 30 servers alone in my office. Cisco routers, switchs, voice gateways, riverbed, yadda yadda yadda. I am not just one of 20-30 dudes running patch cables and pinging systems. Certs were not so important when I started doing this, now they are sort of needed should I want to move or need to.

Like I said if you think knowing wireless is simple if you know wired and you are such an expert, getting your CCNA should be a no brainer. I had mentioned I had started my CCNA before. I didn't have the time then to put effort into it so it didn't go anywhere.

I am working on home improvements right now, but plan to continue CCNP soon. I will keep you updated, I will probably have my CCNP by the time you test CCNA.

Not that I want to get involved in this pissing contest, but for people that have been "on the job" for a while (I'm going on twenty-five years or so) certs are trivial in many contexts. People that write the protocols rarely have certifications at this level (i.e., Radia Perlman is not a CC{anything}, it doesn't make her stupid).

Certs are more important these days (as are degrees) because the HR departments use them for screening purposes. There are places that won't hire without either / both.

Also note, that while a cert might get you in the door, it is in no way a guarantee or indication of the likelihood of getting a job. There are enough "paper" (i.e., experience-free) certified people in the market that a down & dirty, get-ugly tech interview is now the norm to flush them out. They are either rejected, or offered a much lower wage, because n00bs tend to suck more knowledge than they provide (which changes over time & experience).

Just lose the "I have one of these and you don't" part of the argument, it's trivial and indicates nothing (both of you).

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

No, actually I don't touch toner. Nor am I help desk. I don't take support calls sorry. And don't believe it, but others on here (in this thread actually) know that is the truth. Maybe you work for some shit hole, but some companies (like mine) work to develop their employees. I know my team wouldn't be *lost* without me, but I am simply part of a team who works together to reach the goals of the department and the company. My company is a Fortune 50 company, and this one I'm at is one of the top 10 data centers in the state. The management of both of my departments (I work in two actually), let me work with both teams. Oh, and while we're on the subject about 1/2 the network people don't have *any* certs currently. Guess what, they know what they are doing. Certs aren't everything as you are claiming.

I agree, but also in today's market good luck getting in almost any door as at more than Network Engineer without certs or a substantial portfolio....

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Well congrats on being the sole hardware guy and lead programmer. Here's a . You have 30 servers in your office huh? We have 30 servers in a rack (1/2 U HP Prolient blades, 16 per chassis), 11 racks per row on the Wintel 1/2, and 10 rows. That's just on the expansion, not including the old raised floor space. We have more equipment for one row then you have for your office. We actually don't have a team of 20-30 just running patch cables and pinging systems. We bring in temps to run the cables, and have other tools to manage system (we don't simply ping them). Certs are more needed now, but CCIE (the topic of this thread) is overkill for most. Most people that have been doing this stuff without certs for years, could go get their *required* cert anytime they choose.

we only have 80 people in my office now...don't need more machines.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

If you're giving spidey a hard time about CCIE, then how come you didn't get your CCNA before? CCNA should be easy right? How about we talk time that we started learning stuff for CCNA until we actually obtained it? I won't be spending years between learning it and getting it.

Go get your CCNP, have fun with that. I'm not in a rush to get my cert, because frankly real world knowledge>cert. I'll put the time and energy into learning real world since i have the oppertunity available while you have fun learning your CCNP stuff.

I was not giving spidey a hardtime, I was giving you one and then he started jumping on me. It took me about 5 months to get ccna, maybe less ...before I never started reading more than a chapter or two.

I don't get your last point. Real world and certification would be much smarter. I am doing it 'real world' as well.

I think you are really giving yourself too much credit though....just based on the questions and points you make.

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I think you are really giving yourself too much credit though....just based on the questions and points you make.

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

I just want to reiterate what ScottMac said...certs get you an interview...they don't prove you know anything. I, myself, am only a CCNA (very, very easy test, passed after about 2 weeks of studying), yet I'm currently developing and deploying a hosted VoIP PBX infrastructure. Big whoop. There are many people who have done far more important things with far less certification and far more intelligence.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

No, actually I don't touch toner. Nor am I help desk. I don't take support calls sorry. And don't believe it, but others on here (in this thread actually) know that is the truth. Maybe you work for some shit hole, but some companies (like mine) work to develop their employees. I know my team wouldn't be *lost* without me, but I am simply part of a team who works together to reach the goals of the department and the company. My company is a Fortune 50 company, and this one I'm at is one of the top 10 data centers in the state. The management of both of my departments (I work in two actually), let me work with both teams. Oh, and while we're on the subject about 1/2 the network people don't have *any* certs currently. Guess what, they know what they are doing. Certs aren't everything as you are claiming.

I agree, but also in today's market good luck getting in almost any door as at more than Network Engineer without certs or a substantial portfolio....

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Well congrats on being the sole hardware guy and lead programmer. Here's a . You have 30 servers in your office huh? We have 30 servers in a rack (1/2 U HP Prolient blades, 16 per chassis), 11 racks per row on the Wintel 1/2, and 10 rows. That's just on the expansion, not including the old raised floor space. We have more equipment for one row then you have for your office. We actually don't have a team of 20-30 just running patch cables and pinging systems. We bring in temps to run the cables, and have other tools to manage system (we don't simply ping them). Certs are more needed now, but CCIE (the topic of this thread) is overkill for most. Most people that have been doing this stuff without certs for years, could go get their *required* cert anytime they choose.

we only have 80 people in my office now...don't need more machines.

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

If you're giving spidey a hard time about CCIE, then how come you didn't get your CCNA before? CCNA should be easy right? How about we talk time that we started learning stuff for CCNA until we actually obtained it? I won't be spending years between learning it and getting it.

Go get your CCNP, have fun with that. I'm not in a rush to get my cert, because frankly real world knowledge>cert. I'll put the time and energy into learning real world since i have the oppertunity available while you have fun learning your CCNP stuff.

I was not giving spidey a hardtime, I was giving you one and then he started jumping on me. It took me about 5 months to get ccna, maybe less ...before I never started reading more than a chapter or two.

I don't get your last point. Real world and certification would be much smarter. I am doing it 'real world' as well.

I think you are really giving yourself too much credit though....just based on the questions and points you make.

I agree it's difficult to enter the industry without a good portfolio, certs, or "know people".

I'm just saying that 80 servers is nothing, and networking them isn't anything near the same as my company. We are a huge size shop, you're not as big. Nothing personal, just stating facts.

I didn't say I would stop learning/going to school. I just am not going to focus on how fast I can get my certs. I am going to focus on learning real world, and certs a close 2nd. I won't be stopping either one of them though.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: drebo

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I think you are really giving yourself too much credit though....just based on the questions and points you make.

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

I just want to reiterate what ScottMac said...certs get you an interview...they don't prove you know anything. I, myself, am only a CCNA (very, very easy test, passed after about 2 weeks of studying), yet I'm currently developing and deploying a hosted VoIP PBX infrastructure. Big whoop. There are many people who have done far more important things with far less certification and far more intelligence.

missing the point though...it was about knowing wired makes wireless simple at a Professional or Expert level.

All the other noise then came in play. There is a huge difference in deploying certain technology and understanding it fundamentally. People can install XP, software etc and not be programmers nor MCSE's...they are not going to usually know the registry key to change something or how to write a patch for a custom application.

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
missing the point though...it was about knowing wired makes wireless simple at a Professional or Expert level.

All the other noise then came in play. There is a huge difference in deploying certain technology and understanding it fundamentally. People can install XP, software etc and not be programmers nor MCSE's...they are not going to usually know the registry key to change something or how to write a patch for a custom application.

If you took your head out of your ass long enough to take a breath, you'd realize that Ethernet is Ethernet regardless of what the physical layer is. Whether your physical layer is copper, fiber, or electromagnetic waves, your layers 2-7 still (mostly) function exactly the same.

Is wireless layer 1 different than any other layer 1 medium, with its own nuances and issues? OF COURSE, and no one will dispute that. But the fact remains that, for the most part, layers 2-7 are still identical. The differences in layer 1 are no different than the differences between twisted pair and fiber or anything else.

So, yes, a strong understanding of one lends itself very well to the understanding of the other.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah layers are the same. Issues are not.

Here is a great response to our resident expert above since he is dick wagging.

Yeah that?s nice, WLSM was announced End of Life in 2006 and hasn?t been sold since 2007....................so whatever.  Wireless networks over the last three years have used the WiSM which is the replacement to the WLSM.  So its sort of odd he would speak of WLSM.  

The bottom line is that its not easy, if it were easy everyone would be doing it.  There are very few CWNE?s, why? Because people can?t achieve it, its tough, there are not any CCIE Wireless yet, and when it finally comes out I am sure there will be few.

For example, even after years and years (4-5 years) there are only 300 or so voice CCIE?s, after over 2 years only 130 or so storage ccie?s.   This is not easy stuff.  Ask him for his linkedin profile

 

[spidey07]

lulz, the reason I mentioned the WLSM was because I've been doing this for quite a while and at the time it was the only way you could do roaming across layer3 boundaries. Otherwise you had to have layer2 adjacency for every access point and that just didn't work in any decently sized network.

Oh well, I still think I'll start studying for the wireless CCIE because it honestly doesn't seem that difficult and "generally" new IE tracts are "easier". We've got a full lab with 2 wisms, 2 VSS sups, two anchor controllers, WCS, location appliance, lots of spectrum analyzers and probably every handheld and client known so I should be all set.

 

[freegeeks]

@Alkemyst: spidey07 is one of the most knowledgable people here when it comes to networking, so you are only making a fool out of yourself.

I'm a CCNP myself. It helps to get you interviews but in the the end you still have to proof that you actually know something. I'm a freelance contractor so I would say that certs are more important then someone who is working as a fixed employee. The number of contracting positions that are "Cisco Cert Required" are growing by the day.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
@Alkemyst: spidey07 is one of the most knowledgable people here when it comes to networking, so you are only making a fool out of yourself.

I'm a CCNP myself. It helps to get you interviews but in the the end you still have to proof that you actually know something. I'm a freelance contractor so I would say that certs are more important then someone who is working as a fixed employee. The number of contracting positions that are "Cisco Cert Required" are growing by the day.

i am only making a fool out of myself because fools are thinking that way.

A CCNP is usually night and day from a CCIE which is what we were talking about.

There are many CCNP's though that have the knowledgebase to be a CCIE and many that just get by.

That said I don't agree that $140-160k is what CCNP's are going to be making (considering that would be a level that someone that knows anything about networking would be at). I don't agree that CWNE is just scoring points, and I don't agree that CISSP is a worthless cert.

I don't know where all this shit about newer tracts being easier comes from....storage with an average of 40 people per year? Or voice with an avg of 55 people a year? Even security has few passes per year when you figure its been out 9 years.

In short none of the new ie's have shown better passes, R&S is averaging about 1000 a year.

This is the cisco recommendation for lab gear:

Cisco Wireless Access Points:

* Cisco Aironet 1240AG Series (Lightweight and Autonomous version)
* Cisco Aironet 1250AG Series

Cisco Wireless LAN Controllers:

* Cisco 4400 Series
* Cisco 2100 Series
* Cisco Catalayst 6500 Series Wireless Services Module (WiSM)

Cisco Wireless Location Appliance:

* Cisco 2700 Series Wireless Location Appliance

Cisco Aironet Wireless LAN Client Adapters:

* Cisco Aironet 802.11A/B/G Wireless PCI Adapter

Cisco Wireless Phones:

* Cisco Unified Wireless IP Phone 7921G

Cisco Catalyst Switches:

* Cisco Catalyst 3560-E Series Switches
* Cisco Catalyst 2960 Series Switches
* Cisco Catalyst 6500-E Series Switches

Cisco Secure Access Control Server for Windows (ACS)
Cisco Wireless Control System (WCS)

Software
Cisco Unified Wireless Network Software Release 4.2
Cisco Aironet 1240AG Series IOS Software Release 12.3.(8)JE(x)
Cisco Unified Wireless Network Software Release 4.2 for 2100/4400 WLAN Controllers and Catalyst 6500 Series Wireless Services Module
Cisco 2700 Series Location Based Services Appliance, version 3.1
Cisco Catalyst 6500 SUP720/MSFCC3 IOS Software Release 12.2 SXH
Cisco Catalyst 2960 Series Switches IOS Software Release 12.2SE(x) LAN BASE feature set
Cisco Catalyst 3560E Series Switches IOS Software Release 12.2SE, UNIVERSAL feature set
Cisco Wireless Control System version 4.2
Cisco Secure ACS for Windows version 4.2
Cisco Secure Services Client version 5.1
Aironet Desktop Utility (ADU)

Tools

* Cisco Spectrum Expert
* Wireshark
* WCS

 

[Cable God]

Alkemyst, are you that big of a pompus jackass in real life?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Cable God
Alkemyst, are you that big of a pompus jackass in real life?

Sorry I don't buy into bullshit on any level and no matter who knows who. I was just providing some details and then got jumped on. Sorry for defending myself with facts instead of just crap like "anyone that knows anything about networks should be making $140-160k"

BTW, this is pompous:

Alkemyst - there really isn't a whole lot of knowledge for wireless needed as long as basic knowledge of networking is known. Storage was known (along with voice) as the easy one and I'm seeing wireless as the next because if the fundamental understanding of networking and communications make these "easy".

I provided stats on just how many people are getting these 'easy' certs as well.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Cable God
Alkemyst, are you that big of a pompus jackass in real life?

Sorry I don't buy into bullshit on any level and no matter who knows who. I was just providing some details and then got jumped on. Sorry for defending myself with facts instead of just crap like "anyone that knows anything about networks should be making $140-160k"

BTW, this is pompous:

Alkemyst - there really isn't a whole lot of knowledge for wireless needed as long as basic knowledge of networking is known. Storage was known (along with voice) as the easy one and I'm seeing wireless as the next because if the fundamental understanding of networking and communications make these "easy".

I provided stats on just how many people are getting these 'easy' certs as well.

Nobody said CCIE level stuff was simple. All that has been said is that out of CCIE level stuff storage and voice are the "easiest". That doesn't mean it's easy to obtain that cert, but for those levels of certs storage and voice are the "easy" ones. Also ever think the low numbers of CCIE's in the "easy" ones are low numbers because of a lack of demand for CCIE level certified people? CCIE certification isn't cheap, and the cost/benefit ratio very likely isn't there for storage/voice.

The first time anybody said anything about making "$140-$160k if they know anything about networks" was when you said it here:

Originally posted by: alkemyst
i didn't have to run it by him...I was talking to him at the time and mentioned it. I don't think many here that touch wireless know anything about what those concepts are. Again I wasn't talking to you...you seem to know what you are doing, but at the same time you telling me that any network engineer that knows anything should be making $140-160k in Kentucky is a bit nuts.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

The first time anybody said anything about making "$140-$160k if they know anything about networks" was when you said it here:

Spidey PM'd me how he teached several CCIEs and that anyone that knew anything about networking makes that amount where he is at.

There is really no 'easy' CCIE tract...your second CCIE is usually easier than the first more or less because you know how the testing works and know the prep needed.

There is a huge demand for many of the non-R&S ones, yet they are only trickling out.

Almost anyone getting a CCIE in any specialty is immediately headhunted. There are very few people that are dual CCIE'd and even less more than that. The dude at IPExpert that has 4 of them told headhunters to stop calling if they didn't have at least 7 figures as the base. You have to know your shit though...

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

The first time anybody said anything about making "$140-$160k if they know anything about networks" was when you said it here:

Spidey PM'd me how he teached several CCIEs and that anyone that knew anything about networking makes that amount where he is at.

There is really no 'easy' CCIE tract...your second CCIE is usually easier than the first more or less because you know how the testing works and know the prep needed.

There is a huge demand for many of the non-R&S ones, yet they are only trickling out.

Almost anyone getting a CCIE in any specialty is immediately headhunted. There are very few people that are dual CCIE'd and even less more than that. The dude at IPExpert that has 4 of them told headhunters to stop calling if they didn't have at least 7 figures as the base. You have to know your shit though...

Ah, well I didn't know about the PM.

I agree getting multiple CCIE's are easier once you obtain your first, but there are some which are easier than others.