CCIE wireless

[spidey07]

Looks like it's really new, the lab is by invitation only right now (beta). Normally it's good to get on the new programs because they're still trying to gauge how difficult to make it. Looks like it covers all things wireless including voice, spectrum/site surveys, wireless controllers, security and troubleshooting so it's right up my alley.

Anybody have the scoop?

fixed reading list

 

[BriGy86]

What certs do you have now?

isn't the normal CCIE where you have to go to sanfrancisco and setup an entire network with in 24 hours?

 

[jersiq]

You have a bad link there:
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[mcmilljb]

I think the lab could be interesting, but way too much work.

They should be officially announcing the CCWP soon.

 

[Cooky]

I got the invite last year; was very tempted to give it a try, but decided not to.
I've done a lot of LWAPP stuff, but I haven't done any location or VoIP over wireless.

Cisco site says the lab will be made available this month.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BriGy86
What certs do you have now?

isn't the normal CCIE where you have to go to sanfrancisco and setup an entire network with in 24 hours?

It never was 24 hours. It used to be over two days though, now one.

There are various places to take the test depending on which CCIE track.

It's said wireless is going to be the hardest.

My brother is a CCIE for Coleman Technologies and works closely with Cisco (they do R&D for them actually).

He is going for his second CCIE (storage, he has R&S). He's been in the field a long time.

 

[spidey07]

Alkemyst - there really isn't a whole lot of knowledge for wireless needed as long as basic knowledge of networking is known. Storage was known (along with voice) as the easy one and I'm seeing wireless as the next because if the fundamental understanding of networking and communications make these "easy".

 

[alkemyst]

WTF? You must not understand how Cisco tests then. Voice over IP is considered by many as the hardest tract right now. In reality day to day network admin is simple, however; for a CCIE level of knowledge you are expected to know everything about anything that can go wrong and not only fix it, but fix it the most efficient way possible.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Alkemyst - there really isn't a whole lot of knowledge for wireless needed as long as basic knowledge of networking is known. Storage was known (along with voice) as the easy one and I'm seeing wireless as the next because if the fundamental understanding of networking and communications make these "easy".

Originally posted by: alkemyst
WTF? You must not understand how Cisco tests then.

everyone else get a chuckle out of that, or is it just me?

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: spidey07
Alkemyst - there really isn't a whole lot of knowledge for wireless needed as long as basic knowledge of networking is known. Storage was known (along with voice) as the easy one and I'm seeing wireless as the next because if the fundamental understanding of networking and communications make these "easy".

Originally posted by: alkemyst
WTF? You must not understand how Cisco tests then.

everyone else get a chuckle out of that, or is it just me?

Alkemyst is a known idiot who talks out of his ass.

If you know wired, wireless is simple (WLAN, WWAN might be more difficult but shouldn't be if you know your WAN stuff). All you do is add some more about the framing of packets, transmission characteristics, and things like that. Wireless isn't difficult if you understand networking.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: spidey07
Alkemyst - there really isn't a whole lot of knowledge for wireless needed as long as basic knowledge of networking is known. Storage was known (along with voice) as the easy one and I'm seeing wireless as the next because if the fundamental understanding of networking and communications make these "easy".

Originally posted by: alkemyst
WTF? You must not understand how Cisco tests then.

everyone else get a chuckle out of that, or is it just me?

Alkemyst is a known idiot who talks out of his ass.

If you know wired, wireless is simple (WLAN, WWAN might be more difficult but shouldn't be if you know your WAN stuff). All you do is add some more about the framing of packets, transmission characteristics, and things like that. Wireless isn't difficult if you understand networking.

At CCIE level fool?

 

[alkemyst]

Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

:laugh:

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

:laugh:

this thread delivers.

 

[Cable God]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

:laugh:

this thread delivers.

Indeed.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

I know, that's why I'm so interested in this cert. I failed the routing&switching lab by just a few points and just never got back into it so I'm fully aware of what is needed for a knowledge base.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I failed the routing&switching lab by just a few points and just never got back into it so I'm fully aware of what is needed for a knowledge base.

why didn't you retake it? that's a hell of a time and money investment to just let go.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Cable God

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

:laugh:

this thread delivers.

Indeed.

/facepalm @ Alkemyst...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Cable God

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Wireless at the CCIE level (even at the professional one) is not the same as hooking up your home network or even running Tomato/DD-WRT etc....

There is much in-depth study on interference, types of antennas, security, tranmission distances. Running multiple wireless networks, etc.

Like I mentioned above many of you 'experts' are way out of your league once you are talking to someone other than Bob in accounting on networking issues.

:laugh:

this thread delivers.

Indeed.

/facepalm @ Alkemyst...

you really think you are right?

 

[spidey07]

Alkemyst - read my OP. Specifically the part about the stuff that is right up my alley. I've been doing large scale wireless deployments (20+ networks at more than 200 APs each that I can think of off the top of my head) for about 5 years now. You'd be surprised at how many folks in the networking forum have been doing this shit for a long time at a level far and above just setting up a few access points or routers/switches.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Alkemyst - read my OP. Specifically the part about the stuff that is right up my alley. I've been doing large scale wireless deployments (20+ networks at more than 200 APs each that I can think of off the top of my head) for about 5 years now. You'd be surprised at how many folks in the networking forum have been doing this shit for a long time at a level far and above just setting up a few access points or routers/switches.

My post above was to the dumbass that thinks because you know wired, you know wireless.

Also doing it for years is a lot different than passing a CCIE Wireless exam...chances are you dealt with a limited amount of equipment even if you think you have dealt with it all.

It's akin to someone that never went to medical school that's been pretty much practicing medicine for years and saving people. They know medicine, but they'd never pass a med school test without major studying and learning concepts that may not be so obvious.

I am still curious why someone that missed the lab by a few points never retook it and instead is going for a totally different tract.

 

[spidey07]

This thread delivers!

-edit-
As for going for a different track, again the new tracks are often easier and I'm kinda a lazy SOB.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Alkemyst is a known idiot who talks out of his ass.

If you know wired, wireless is simple (WLAN, WWAN might be more difficult but shouldn't be if you know your WAN stuff). All you do is add some more about the framing of packets, transmission characteristics, and things like that. Wireless isn't difficult if you understand networking.

dude have you gotten your CCNA yet, I got mine.

here is some differences you don't see in wired, we sort of laughed about your comment here:

Wireless is very involved.  It involves things like wireless IPS, rogue AP detection/mitigation, location tracking, mobile ip, HREAP, lightweight and autonomous access points, bridging, numerous security and authentication mechanisms, WDS, layer 2 and layer 3 roaming, and that?s just some of the technology side, not to mention of course numerous RF issues.  There are like less than 100 or so CWNE?s in the world......that?s the level a CCIE Wireless would need to be at.

so I guess I am still the idiot.

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Alkemyst is a known idiot who talks out of his ass.

If you know wired, wireless is simple (WLAN, WWAN might be more difficult but shouldn't be if you know your WAN stuff). All you do is add some more about the framing of packets, transmission characteristics, and things like that. Wireless isn't difficult if you understand networking.

dude have you gotten your CCNA yet, I got mine.

here is some differences you don't see in wired, we sort of laughed about your comment here:

Wireless is very involved.  It involves things like wireless IPS, rogue AP detection/mitigation, location tracking, mobile ip, HREAP, lightweight and autonomous access points, bridging, numerous security and authentication mechanisms, WDS, layer 2 and layer 3 roaming, and that?s just some of the technology side, not to mention of course numerous RF issues. There are like less than 100 or so CWNE?s in the world......that?s the level a CCIE Wireless would need to be at.

so I guess I am still the idiot.

Look at the point system for the certification. You only get 10 points for publishing a book! Yet someone could write 3 articles and get 10 points as well. Fuck that! I think a good author deserves more than a mere 10 points for a good book.

Spidey would get 20 points for being CCNP and CCDP (30 if he has another one in security or something else listed). Another 20 points if he has 4 years of experience. If he knows a CWNE, that's 10 points. He could also write a 500 word essay describing the technology or a project for 10 points. It focuses a lot on experience, and I would think he has it easily.

Some people might not care about the certification because of its trend toward quantity of work over quality of work. They basically just demand that you contribute to their community for the certification. It's kind of like the CISSP program.

 

[alkemyst]

The CWNE program was not being defended...the knowledge you'd need is. Let me guess you are one of those guys that makes 1/4 what the CWNE you must know makes yet tells them what to do all day.

The point was knowing wired <> knowing wireless.