CBS Reporter sexually assaulted during Egypt celebration

[Infohawk]

The first link says rapes in sweden average on par with other countries. I can't read the 2nd one though so can't tell if it says anything about some sizeable increase in rapes being committed by muslims/immigrants. If you care to translate a particular statistic that does support that I'd be happy to look at it. Otherwise, still looking for some reporting on this alleged crisis that is printed as fact on hundreds of sites.

Who cares if rapes in Sweden average on part with other countries? That wasn't the point. The point was that immigrants committed more rapes per capita than non-immigrants.

And you take something as true if it's published on hundreds of websites? That's just idiotic. Stop pretending you're an open-minded person because you're not.

 

[Infohawk]

So? It was more than a celebration of democracy, too. Police forces were lacking, criminals broke out of jails, etc. It seems quite amazing that people were so civil. There are also rapes and other crimes during 4th of July celebrations here.

I haven't heard many stories of rapes during the 4th of July. Google tells of illegals raping someone on July 4th, but that was at a private party. She was raped in Tahrir Square, the center of the revolution, for goodness sake. (By the way this is my last post to you in this thread, you filthy troll.)

 

[CanOWorms]

I haven't heard many stories of rapes during the 4th of July. Google tells of illegals raping someone on July 4th, but that was at a private party. She was raped in Tahrir Square, the center of the revolution, for goodness sake. (By the way this is my last post to you in this thread, you filthy troll.)

Google search shows a rape at a 4th of July celebration by non-illegals. In addition, it is quite known that many gay rights, minority rights parades/rallies celebrating democracy have been scenes of vicious attacks by far-right radicals. These rallies tend to take place in quite central locations, too. Maybe you don't consider them to be humans though, and so those are attacks on animals rather than humans?

 

[TareX]

Actually, would-be-mosque-torchers (Oblama and JediYoda), the more Muslim these people are, the more unlikely they were to even LOOK at her. Take it from me, my hardcore muslim friends wouldn't even look at a girl's face when talking to her -talk about actually groping her. Seriously, if you believe your own crap, why don't you conceal your identities and start a fire in a mosque or something.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Actually, would-be-mosque-torchers (Oblama and JediYoda),

Umm would never torch a mosque....but at the same time you claim all you want that the Democracy that we enjoy as Americans was patterned after so call Muslim Democracy is BS and you know it.

In every nation where a large enough populace of Muslims has eventually immigrated too the Muslims have called for their own Muslim rules instead of following that countries judicial rules and such. Even in America on occassion Muslim men have been known to take matters concerning their daughters into their own hands instead of following the laws of the country they live in......

You see it really is true, the religion of Islam and democracy are totally incompatible. Only the separation of church and state, only the rule of civil law can grant Muslims-the vast majority of whom are good, decent people---the freedom they want.

The laws of Islam, considered sacred and inviolable, clash with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948), and those expressed in both the British (1688) and American Bill of Rights (1791). To cite just a few reasons why Islam and democracy are incompatible, under Islam women and non-Muslims are declared to be inferior, slavery is acceptable, punishments for various crimes include amputations, floggings, and stoning to death, a non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim, and conversion from Islam carries with it the death penalty.


There is no separation of church and state under Islam and there never can be for any Muslim who accepts the Koran and the Hadith as the sacred rule of law. To suggest otherwise imperils their belief in the Koran as the word of Allah as passed to them by Muhammad, his self-appointed "final" prophet.

I will agree there are two or three sides to every story but so far your side stinks of balony!!

Shalom!!

 

[OCGuy]

Actually, would-be-mosque-torchers (Oblama and JediYoda), the more Muslim these people are, the more unlikely they were to even LOOK at her. Take it from me, my hardcore muslim friends wouldn't even look at a girl's face when talking to her -talk about actually groping her. Seriously, if you believe your own crap, why don't you conceal your identities and start a fire in a mosque or something.

BS. That sexual repression they have can manifest itself in extreme acts of sexual violence or other acting out.


This story is Exhibit A.

 

[1prophet]

Are you Christian or Jewish? Do you take the God's word seriously, as he spoke in Deuteronomy 22???




Seems like Christians and Jews must stone to death any woman who has sex before marriage and does not preserve her virginity. There, God says "YOU MUST PURGE THE EVIL". Do you not believe him, and obey him?


Adulterers must die, probably stoning is preferred


What??? Christians and Jews must stone to death a woman who is raped, because she did not scream loudly enough for help!!!

So, are you a good Christian or Jew? Do you fully believe the God's word? Will you seek out and purge the evil from among you, and stone to death women who have sex before marriage? will you seek out and stone to death women who were raped but did not call for help loudly enough?

Or are you just a bigot?

How about you quote the whole chapter as it pertains to forced sex also known as rape.

Laws concerning Chastity 13 ¶ If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14 and give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15 then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16 and the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17 and, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19 and they shall amerce him in a hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die; because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
22 ¶ If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23 ¶ If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25 ¶ But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her; then the man only that lay with her shall die:
26 but unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 for he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28 ¶ If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. Ex. 22.16, 17
30 ¶ A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt.

This guy here must be a piss poor Christian according to you.

And every man went unto his own house. 8:
1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more

 

[NFS4]

She is hot!!

Holy crap! I'd never seen her outside of cammies & body armor or khaki/reporter uniform. She is indeed hot.

That's not her. Lara Logan is 37, and while still hot, I doubt her body looks like that.

 

[TareX]

BS. That sexual repression they have can manifest itself in extreme acts of sexual violence or other acting out.

Thanks for the theory. FACT: The kids who always end up groping in Egyptian mass gatherings are the LEAST religious ones.

 

[shira]

The Wall Street Journal is quoting a source who says that Logan wasn't raped:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146661656309184.html?KEYWORDS=Lara+Logan

At the time of the incident, Ms. Logan, a veteran war reporter, was covering the celebrations in Cairo's Tahrir Square after former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down. Ms. Logan was separated from her colleagues by a large "mob of more than 200 people whipped into frenzy," CBS said.

The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape." A CBS News spokesman declined to comment beyond the statement.

 

[Zebo]

Hey Oblama and JEDIYoda, if you do feel this way towards Muslims, and if you do indeed have these convictions that these are their beliefs/goals...etc (i.e. if you really believe the crap you're saying), then why don't you drive by your local mosques and torch them on a busy Friday noon? If you really believe what you're saying, you'll be doing humanity, the world and your fellow citizens (in whatever highly educated community you belong to) a huge favor, right?

Think about it; you'll be ridding your community of these slave-breeding, women-raping, zero ethic, animals while alienting the rest of the Muslims in the country, possibly driving them out. Am I right or what?

PS - That muslims have zero "self discipline" thing has got to be the funniest bit I've ever read in my life. Let me tell you one thing: There's not even a comparison -not even a comparison- between a city like Cairo, and any given North American city in crime stats. And it's not because the police and crime-fighting entities in Cairo are efficient: They're not -that I can tell you. It's because not only is there a MUCH higher sense of self discipline, but an even higher state of community-protection. You'd know if you spent one night in the city. Not even a comparison between Cairo and any given city in North America (and I spent most of my life in "crime-free" Canada). And don't get me started on anti-wife physical abuse.

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All Muslims are different, it's even more stratified than Christianity, hence all the fighting and killing of each other. But that changes nothing. Some interpret it just fine to rape on infidel and uncovered women. Clerics who are like professionals about the religion even say so.

 

[TareX]

All Muslims are different, it's even more stratified than Christianity, hence all the fighting and killing of each other. But that changes nothing. Some interpret it just fine to rape on infidel and uncovered women. Clerics who are like professionals about the religion even say so.

By "some", do you mean the 0.001% who get 99% of the coverage?? I have to tell you, I've lived in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt for over 18 years and have never heard about "raping uncovered women" is ok. I mean, this is no different than looking at one of those MANY lunatic Christian extremists and saying "Hmm.. it seems that some Christian clerics think so, so, and so".

Now, the fact you even said "it's even more stratified than Christianity" tells me you -unfortunately (but hey it's an internet forum on a tech website), know absolutely nothing of what you're talking about.

 

[Nebor]

BS. That sexual repression they have can manifest itself in extreme acts of sexual violence or other acting out.


This story is Exhibit A.

Exactly. They act ashamed of their attraction on an individual basis, but give them the anonymity of a crowd and then a lifetime of repressed sexuality comes pouring out.

We did an impromptu stop to hand out toys & school supplies to kids in a poor neighborhood in Kabul. As it always goes, the kids come first because their faster, then the adult men come and push the kids out of the way to take whatever you're handing out. When that's gone they start beating the children to steal from them. We had a very attractive Navy Lt. Cmdr. with us, and when we'd do these good will stops, we'd all leave our helmets in the car and take off our sunglasses to appear more approachable. So her pretty brown hair and face was on display for all to see. The crowd of men (approximately 20) was upset that they didn't get free stuff, first one spit on her, then one grabbed her hair, then her butt, thighs, crotch. We all rushed in, but it just took a Senior Chief crushing one of their faces with the butt of his M4 to bring the crowd to heel.

Fucking savages. Can't even take charity.

Like someone said on the front page, maybe some parts of the world just can't handle democracy. They need to be ruled by an iron fisted dictator to maintain any semblance of order.

 

[Zebo]

The Wall Street Journal is quoting a source who says that Logan wasn't raped:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146661656309184.html?KEYWORDS=Lara+Logan

Same story you linked her news crew says ""brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating" Doesnt sound like grab ass to me. I'm sure CBS is trying to paper over it like apologists in this thread as it gets in the way of the sweet narrative of Jeffersonian Democracy being pimped.

Anyway
Here is some interesting stories about the hell women have to put up with in Egypt.
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/egypt/egyptian-women-speak-out-against-sexual-harassment-1.149568

A recent study by the Egyptian Center for Women's Rights found that 83 percent of Egyptian women and 98 percent of foreign women in this country dependent on Western tourists experience public sexual harassment, including explicit comments, groping, men exposing themselves and assault.

Nearly 97 percent of Egyptian women and 87 percent of foreigners do not alert police. But human rights activists believe that the extensive news coverage of Saleh's case may inspire more women to file complaints.

She was leaving the bus when the driver touched her in a way a stranger shouldn't.

"I screamed at him, 'You're an animal!' " said Shaimaa Abdel Rahman Aref, a 28-year-old graduate business student. "I felt as if he was striking at my pride. I wish he had beaten me instead. It would have been much less humiliating, especially that I was veiled and not wearing anything that would arouse a man."

Aref took down the bus number and went to the police. But she found herself confronting a patriarchal society in which authorities are often indifferent to crimes against women and many families pressure their daughters and sisters to forgo justice rather than invite scandal. She said that several police officers ridiculed her and that her parents scolded her for breaching the line between humility and honor.

"They always put the blame on the girl," she said.

"brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating"

 

[Sephire]

I knew it I was right.

 

[Zebo]

Exactly. They act ashamed of their attraction on an individual basis, but give them the anonymity of a crowd and then a lifetime of repressed sexuality comes pouring out.

We did an impromptu stop to hand out toys & school supplies to kids in a poor neighborhood in Kabul. As it always goes, the kids come first because their faster, then the adult men come and push the kids out of the way to take whatever you're handing out. When that's gone they start beating the children to steal from them. We had a very attractive Navy Lt. Cmdr. with us, and when we'd do these good will stops, we'd all leave our helmets in the car and take off our sunglasses to appear more approachable. So her pretty brown hair and face was on display for all to see. The crowd of men (approximately 20) was upset that they didn't get free stuff, first one spit on her, then one grabbed her hair, then her butt, thighs, crotch. We all rushed in, but it just took a Senior Chief crushing one of their faces with the butt of his M4 to bring the crowd to heel.

Fucking savages. Can't even take charity.

Like someone said on the front page, maybe some parts of the world just can't handle democracy. They need to be ruled by an iron fisted dictator to maintain any semblance of order.

That didnt make y'all sick to your stomach? This is why I couldn't join the military somebody would have been shot in the face or castrated.

 

[Nebor]

That didnt make y'all sick to your stomach? This is why I couldn't join the military somebody would have been shot in the face or castrated.

It helps to never have hope in the first place. Everyone I know that ever, ever trusted or put faith in an Afghan was eventually let down in a big way. I heard it again and again, "Ahmad is different. He's very western minded and he really loves American." They'll fuck you over, every time.

I oversaw a restructuring of the computer network for a group of interpreters working for the coalition. They all had pictures of Persian and white women in bikinis as their desktop backgrounds. I would ask them, "You like that?" And they would giggle and say "Yes sir Yes sir. She is very beautiful naked." (They consider a swimsuit to be 'naked.') And I'd ask, "So would you like your wife or girlfriend to wear a swimsuit like that at the beach?" And they'd look very stern and say "No sir, I would have to kill her." :\ And the interpreters are truly the most progressive, western minded people in Afghanistan, due to their increased exposure to Western culture and their relatively high income (roughly 12x that of the average Afghan.)

EDIT: That's not to say there aren't glimmers of hope in the children. I think if we're willing to commit to occupying their country for a couple of generations, and eradicting their backwards, religion based culture, then there could be hope for a bright future. You can see it in the kids sometimes. They'll scurry all over your training site to pick up spent brass cartridges to sell, only to be beaten by an armed Afghan guard who steals that brass to sell himself.

 

[Zebo]

So by my count we have ABC's Brian Hartman beaten carjacked & threatened with beheading, CNN's Anderson Cooper roughed up, CBS's Lara Logan "brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating" you'd think these fools running news rooms would stop sending them in. This is what happens when you lie to yourself and pursue what you want to see to an excessive, irrational, and pathological degree it can literally get people killed. I think the producers need to run stories from Egypt's streets from now on.

 

[Zebo]

It helps to never have hope in the first place. Everyone I know that ever, ever trusted or put faith in an Afghan was eventually let down in a big way. I heard it again and again, "Ahmad is different. He's very western minded and he really loves American." They'll fuck you over, every time.

I oversaw a restructuring of the computer network for a group of interpreters working for the coalition. They all had pictures of Persian and white women in bikinis as their desktop backgrounds. I would ask them, "You like that?" And they would giggle and say "Yes sir Yes sir. She is very beautiful naked." (They consider a swimsuit to be 'naked.') And I'd ask, "So would you like your wife or girlfriend to wear a swimsuit like that at the beach?" And they'd look very stern and say "No sir, I would have to kill her." :\ And the interpreters are truly the most progressive, western minded people in Afghanistan, due to their increased exposure to Western culture and their relatively high income (roughly 12x that of the average Afghan.)

EDIT: That's not to say there aren't glimmers of hope in the children. I think if we're willing to commit to occupying their country for a couple of generations, and eradicting their backwards, religion based culture, then there could be hope for a bright future. You can see it in the kids sometimes. They'll scurry all over your training site to pick up spent brass cartridges to sell, only to be beaten by an armed Afghan guard who steals that brass to sell himself.

Well we all get wrecked as adults from such happy little children - but following a 7th century barbaric religion does it more than others.

 

[shira]

Same story you linked her news crew says ""brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating" Doesnt sound like grab ass to me. I'm sure CBS is trying to paper over it like apologists in this thread as it gets in the way of the sweet narrative of Jeffersonian Democracy being pimped.

Anyway
Here is some interesting stories about the hell women have to put up with in Egypt.
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/egypt/egyptian-women-speak-out-against-sexual-harassment-1.149568

"brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating"

I can think of plenty of types of sexual assault that fall short of rape that are just as horrific and traumatizing, so I'm certainly not trying to minimize what happened to Logan. But people in this thread and in other threads on other sites write posts as though they "know" that a rape occurred; ignorance dominates over knowledge every time.

 

[soundforbjt]

That's not her. Lara Logan is 37, and while still hot, I doubt her body looks like that.

That is her picture I posted. She was younger then.

 

[TareX]

Exactly. They act ashamed of their attraction on an individual basis, but give them the anonymity of a crowd and then a lifetime of repressed sexuality comes pouring out.

Interesting -yet false. While this behavior is logical, these "hardcore muslims" don't believe it's their non-anonymity that's getting in the way of groping a woman. You might not know what I'm talking about. Makes sense. Again, whoever did the groping 200% belongs to the least religious sect of the community. And I know people like that.

We did an impromptu stop to hand out toys & school supplies to kids in a poor neighborhood in Kabul. As it always goes, the kids come first because their faster, then the adult men come and push the kids out of the way to take whatever you're handing out. When that's gone they start beating the children to steal from them. We had a very attractive Navy Lt. Cmdr. with us, and when we'd do these good will stops, we'd all leave our helmets in the car and take off our sunglasses to appear more approachable. So her pretty brown hair and face was on display for all to see. The crowd of men (approximately 20) was upset that they didn't get free stuff, first one spit on her, then one grabbed her hair, then her butt, thighs, crotch. We all rushed in, but it just took a Senior Chief crushing one of their faces with the butt of his M4 to bring the crowd to heel.

Fucking savages. Can't even take charity.

Like someone said on the front page, maybe some parts of the world just can't handle democracy. They need to be ruled by an iron fisted dictator to maintain any semblance of order.

You...do realize that that's quite a different culture/people/civility/urbanism/environment/heritage you're talking about... right? Like 180 degrees-different.

I oversaw a free gift distribution at the poorest -yet one of the biggest- hospitals in Cairo, El Demerdash. These are basically extremely poor families who came from all over the country to seek treatment. And our toys were REAL good.

I saw parents go to other beds and donate their toys to other kids (because their son/daughter will not likely recover from their coma). I saw kids wanting to share their toys with others who weren't fortunate enough to get any. I saw families who just plainly refused the gifts because of their "pride".

But hey Kabul, Cairo, -Potatoe-Potato, who's counting.

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[Nebor]

Interesting -yet false. While this behavior is logical, these "hardcore muslims" don't believe it's their non-anonymity that's getting in the way of groping a woman. You might not know what I'm talking about. Makes sense. Again, whoever did the groping 200% belongs to the least religious sect of the community. And I know people like that.


You...do realize that that's quite a different culture/people/civility/urbanism/environment/heritage you're talking about... right? Like 180 degrees-different.

I oversaw a free gift distribution at the poorest -yet one of the biggest- hospitals in Cairo, El Demerdash. These are basically extremely poor families who came from all over the country to seek treatment. And our toys were REAL good.

I saw parents go to other beds and donate their toys to other kids (because their son/daughter will not likely recover from their coma). I saw kids wanting to share their toys with others who weren't fortunate enough to get any. I saw families who just plainly refused the gifts because of their "pride".

But hey Kabul, Cairo, -Potatoe-Potato, who's counting.

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They're all the same. You know how I can tell? They ALL get angry when you say they're all the same. Iraqi's find it shameful to be associated with Afghans, who they consider to be poor and dirty. Afghans find it shameful to be considered an Arab. See my point?

 

[Zorkorist]

Naw, you are missing it Nebor. While Government, Religion, or Culture may discriminate, People don't discriminate.

So Afghanis's and Iraqi's are best buddies.

Iranian's only want freedom.

etc.

-John

 

[Infohawk]

We saw what happened when an American TALKED about burning the Quran. Now imagine if during the 4th of July a Muslim woman was raped while the fireworks were going off in a public place surrounding by onlookers. What would the Muslim world's reaction be?