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Cayman Pic

The guy in the thread at xtremesystems says he can't reveal anything more but he says to not be surprised if some more leaks came from Chinese sites next week.
 
AMD is into flashy cooler lately, (lol I'll give'm A+ for that - people can be fooled so easy) too bad hardware without proper software support is worthless...
 
Grooveriding said:
Behold the new single-gpu king...

()🙂
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It'll be a great thing on prices if that ends up being true, but I think AMD has dropped enough hints in the past few weeks to indicate they will not beat the gtx580 in raw performance. We shall find out soon enough.
 
solofly said:
AMD is into flashy cooler lately, (lol I'll give'm A+ for that - people can be fooled so easy) too bad hardware without proper software support is worthless...
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My AMD drivers have been stellar. 🙂 Did the GTX460 have pretty awful drivers for quite a while? Given how well 68xx CF performs I am confident 69xx CF will be impressive as well.
 
tviceman said:
It'll be a great thing on prices if that ends up being true, but I think AMD has dropped enough hints in the past few weeks to indicate they will not beat the gtx580 in raw performance. We shall find out soon enough.
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Considering AMD has what is in a lot of ways a new architecture and bigger die in Cayman, it will be a sad state of affairs if they can't beat an overclocked GTX 480 with 32 more shaders.

But we will see the benches soon enough. I see 6970 being faster in most every game and the 580 only having solid leads in synthetic tessellation benchmarks but not games.

We will find out next week 😉
 
Grooveriding said:
Considering AMD has what is in a lot of ways a new architecture and bigger die in Cayman, it will be a sad state of affairs if they can't beat an overclocked GTX 480 with 32 more shaders.

But we will see the benches soon enough. I see 6970 being faster in most every game and the 580 only having solid leads in synthetic tessellation benchmarks but not games.

We will find out next week 😉
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It has been said before that AMD's focus was on smaller GPU for $ value and the dual GPU for the fastest cards.
Appears this is only so then then they are unable to be the fastest single GPU, bit like the Tess blogg?
 
SolMiester said:
It has been said before that AMD's focus was on smaller GPU for $ value and the dual GPU for the fastest cards.
Appears this is only so then then they are unable to be the fastest single GPU, bit like the Tess blogg?
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It will be smaller than gf110
 
The pic you linked is edited, but if you click on the link to the thread in that post you see the un-edited pic a few posts down. Looks like the card has a back plate.
 
SolMiester said:
It has been said before that AMD's focus was on smaller GPU for $ value and the dual GPU for the fastest cards.
Appears this is only so then then they are unable to be the fastest single GPU, bit like the Tess blogg?
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Think of the "Tortoise and the Hare". AMD continuously improves their designs, but does so within self imposed limits, so as not to stumble too badly. nVidia has more of a go for broke approach. In the last round, Evergreen vs. Fermi, AMD's strategy paid big dividends. We'll see this round if nVidia has gotten their feet back under them enough or if AMD's slow and steady approach wins again. I'm certain though that, if it doesn't measure up to the current Fermi, it won't fail miserably like nVidia did last year. It'll be a good, competitive, money making product.
 
Don't know how much faith to place into this, but the prices are listed in of those posts. The 6970 is going to be the same price as the 580 @ $499, so the performance should be near identical. The 6950 is going to be $375 (if the coversion is correct).

http://tech.163.com/digi/10/1202/16/6MTNAIP9001618J1.html

Unika will be the first listing of the polar HD6970 DDR5 version of the official retail price of Gold 3999 yuan, and NVDIAI GTX580 flat. AMD in the domestic market as a pioneer in the promotion, Unika other brands once again leading the priority shipping rights, and early release HD6970/HD6950 retail prices in the Chinese market, respectively, 3999 yuan and 2999 yuan.

In fact, according to AMD in recent years, the operating point of view, HD6970 and the GTX580 the same definition of the retail price, no doubt that the AMD's confidence in the product, which judgment, HD6970 single card as the new flagship of AMD, the performance is higher than the GTX580.
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The performance part there is pure speculation, but looks like the 6970 will be able to compete well with the 580.
 
tviceman said:
It'll be a great thing on prices if that ends up being true, but I think AMD has dropped enough hints in the past few weeks to indicate they will not beat the gtx580 in raw performance. We shall find out soon enough.
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Please enlighten us . Give a link to these AMD hints you so talk of .
 
Teizo said:
Don't know how much faith to place into this, but the prices are listed in of those posts. The 6970 is going to be the same price as the 580 @ $499, so the performance should be near identical. The 6950 is going to be $375 (if the coversion is correct).

http://tech.163.com/digi/10/1202/16/6MTNAIP9001618J1.html



The performance part there is pure speculation, but looks like the 6970 will be able to compete well with the 580.
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Not necessarily. 6950 could end up competing with the 580, while the 6970 would be in a different league altogether, perhaps 20% faster. It could bring down prices of the 580, pushing Nvidia into releasing a higher-clocked 585. Who knows 🙂

Nemesis 1 said:
Please enlighten us . Give a link to these AMD hints you so talk of .
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Indeed, I haven't seen anything that suggests this.
 
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x3sphere said:
Not necessarily. 6950 could end up competing with the 580, while the 6970 would be in a different league altogether, perhaps 20% faster. It could bring down prices of the 580, pushing Nvidia into releasing a higher-clocked 585. Who knows 🙂
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That is probably closer to a fanboy wet dream than reality, but like you say...who knows. In 2 weeks we will know for sure though.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Please enlighten us . Give a link to these AMD hints you so talk of .
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I've seen comments in the last few weeks from AMD stating that the 6970 is at a different price point than the 580 and isn't intended to compete with it. They could just be being cheeky, of course.

Sorry, can't be bothered searching for links. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. 😎
 
3DVagabond said:
I've seen comments in the last few weeks from AMD stating that the 6970 is at a different price point than the 580 and isn't intended to compete with it. They could just be being cheeky, of course.

Sorry, can't be bothered searching for links. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. 😎
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Wasnt that more like "we 're sure we have the right product for the right pricepoint" ?

*If* their priceing it at the 580's price, that in itself might be very telling.
 
6950 will fit in between the gtx560 and 570 and the 6970 will be in between the 570 and 580 in performance and price. Just like Nvidia did last round. Just my guess.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Please enlighten us . Give a link to these AMD hints you so talk of .
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Arkadrel said:
Wasnt that more like "we 're sure we have the right product for the right pricepoint" ?

*If* their priceing it at the 580's price, that in itself might be very telling.
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What's telling is the lack of confidence in saying they will have the better performing part. Nvidia personnel touted it unofficially for weeks leading up the gtx480's release without giving away any NDA information. A more confident statement like "we're sure we'll have the best products AND best prices" or "we entered 2010 with the fastest dx11 GPU, we are confident we will still have the fastest at the end of 2010" would have been more telling that 6970 is actually faster than the gtx580. Of course I, nor anyone else here, actually knows how fast the 6970 is so I'm speculating as much as the next guy but to me it seems like AMD has passed up many opportunities to do some major hint dropping and and viral marketing if, in fact, the hd6970 will be the best single gpu solution at release.
 
tviceman said:
What's telling is the lack of confidence in saying they will have the better performing part. Nvidia personnel touted it unofficially for weeks leading up the gtx480's release without giving away any NDA information.
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That's actually a double edged sword if you think about it. If AMD says "we will have a better part" then they have successfully put themselves in a corner. If they release Cayman and it's slower than GTX 580 than they have officially failed which would most likely force them to delay and try get more performance out of it...See where I am headed here?

How do we know nVidia's big talk wasn't the reason for the delay? Maybe they had a functioning Fermi that was slower than Cypress but were forced to delay because they had publically made it their "card to beat."

I think the way AMD handled this was smart, not saying too much just go with the flow.
 
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