Ding Ding Ding..
Brings back the question.. "Religion, the worlds biggest mistake?"
I doubt we'll ever know the answer, but its worth the discussion.. Learn from societies mistakes, and grow from them
Ding Ding Ding..
Brings back the question.. "Religion, the worlds biggest mistake?"
I doubt we'll ever know the answer, but its worth the discussion.. Learn from societies mistakes, and grow from them
Originally posted by: DaZ
I doubt we'll ever know the answer, but its worth the discussion.. Learn from societies mistakes, and grow from them
I'd like to think we can do that. The question is, will Americans ever let go of their blind pride long enough to allow that to happen?
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: DaZ
I doubt we'll ever know the answer, but its worth the discussion.. Learn from societies mistakes, and grow from them
I'd like to think we can do that. The question is, will Americans ever let go of their blind pride long enough to allow that to happen?
I'm curious as to what you think we're being too proud to discuss or admit.
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: DaZ
I doubt we'll ever know the answer, but its worth the discussion.. Learn from societies mistakes, and grow from them
I'd like to think we can do that. The question is, will Americans ever let go of their blind pride long enough to allow that to happen?
I'm curious as to what you think we're being too proud to discuss or admit.
That we've made mistakes in regards to our foreign policy. That maybe we've overstepped our bounds in parts of the world where we had no place.
Its all comming out now.. I'm very curious to see the replies.. Perhaps..
"Cause we own?"
or
"Because were like really big and we can do lots of stuff.."
Our values? I don't know where the hell you're from, but we don't have any values anymore. The country fell apart a long time ago, and is continuing to get worse. America is no longer a reality, but simply another failed idea. I'm surprised that we haven't gone into full martial law yet.
skyking
Lifer
- Nov 21, 2001
- 22,873
- 6,040
- 146
"The backwards nations are the ones that are slow to adopt our values"
That is the cause of september the 11th, IMO. Who are we to push our values everywhere? The biggest, most powerful nation in the world, that's who!!
"We help people all over the world, with billions of dollars in aid, and this is the thanks we get?"( I didn't read it in this thread, but I have heard it before
)Our aid ALWAYS comes with strings attached. The U.S. has never given freely without supporting some kind of agenda. Any thinking person in these countries has seen this as meddling in the affairs of another, and many resent it.
I am not espousing isolationism, merely trying to show another's viewpoint. The U.S. has meddled in the affairs of countless nations, supporting corrupt regimes because it suited our current cold war strategy, or politico-economic regional plan.
Then, we meddle some more, overthrowing the opressive and criminal governments we just helped establish!!
If you need names, do searches on Saddam Hussien, Manuel Noriega, "Papa Doc" Duvalier. Thes are just a few leaders the U.S. put into power, only to oust them later for crimes and human rights violations.
The cold war is over, but the repercussions will haunt us for generations. Our nation would do anything to counter the soviets, and there are generations of people all over the world who resent our involvement.
"So what? This is the most powerful nation in the world, and we are right, to boot!"
That kind of attitude will get our tourists killed, and cause neverending resentment around the world.
The only thing that will help is some very thoughtful study, and measured action. The U.S. cannot continue to manipulate the third world like they did in the 50's and 60's, and it will take generations for the aftereffects of our past policies to subside.
Edit: We haven't ousted Saddam Yet
Originally posted by: Draknor
Bravo skyking! Great post, IMHO - finally, something truly thoughtful in this thread!
It's always nice to consort with people of greater intelligence than yourself.
This is kind of ridiculous. You assume that the US & its policies are the root cause of the entire situation. Obviously you are going to find that the US & its policies are at fault for 9/11 when you pose that question.
And this thing about the US creating bin Ladens... also ridiculous. Who is to say that bin Ladens aren't creating the US's policies? Your whole cause and effect view of the world is what needs questioning.
Here is one thing that is certain: the US has had its hands in all sorts of pies in the Middle East since 1945, and 3000 people haven't died in a single terrorist incident until 9/11/2001. Is it not possible that other external influences were more to blame for the attack than "the US's policies," like say rich cave-dwelling egomaniacs?
And this thing about the US creating bin Ladens... also ridiculous. Who is to say that bin Ladens aren't creating the US's policies? Your whole cause and effect view of the world is what needs questioning.
Here is one thing that is certain: the US has had its hands in all sorts of pies in the Middle East since 1945, and 3000 people haven't died in a single terrorist incident until 9/11/2001. Is it not possible that other external influences were more to blame for the attack than "the US's policies," like say rich cave-dwelling egomaniacs?
I am not assuming that the US is the root cause; however, I am stating (and asking) that we had something to do with it. i.e. the claim that the Middle East hates the US "because we're better than them" is spurious.
God told them to, silly. Eliminate the infidels. Cleanse the earth of wretched Western thought which fosters reason and intellectual enlightenment, things that will make God very angry...or maybe make Him who was made by Man disappear all together. Poof!
skyking
Lifer
- Nov 21, 2001
- 22,873
- 6,040
- 146
The terrorist takeover at the '72 Olympics, The Achille Lauro, the barracks bombing at Beirut, USS Cole: In the words of Chris Rock, "You can think of these as "hints" ".
The sentiment has always been there, but the ability to organize and plan such an attack was lacking.
Don't confuse numbers with intent. There are many groups and factions who would do worse to the U.S., if they could. They have been around for a long time. Bin Laden was able to exploit a sentiment that was long standing.
UberNeuman
Lifer
- Nov 4, 1999
- 16,937
- 3,087
- 126
Zakath15 - you seem to be hell bent on this subject - what's your opinion? What events do you think made other peoples/nations have an agenda against the USA?
lol hellbent.
I'm interested in it because few people seem willing to have a mature, adult discussion about it. In the media, very few people are willing to stand up and say that our actions may be partly to blame. I, for one, believe that our actions are largely to blame for the sentiment that exists.
It frightens me to think of what actions terrorist groups and other nations may have in mind for us. We may be able to withstand it in the short run, but unless we take action now to change our foreign policy and the way we act in other parts of the world, there may come a time when we won't be able to survive, both domestically and internationally.
But, realistically, I am not educated enough; I haven't studied international politics or history, so I am looking for information and opinions from people who have studied it more than I have. Given four or five years, I'll probably be able to give an economic perspective, but even then, it's only one side of the issue.
Random Variable
Lifer
- Aug 10, 2001
- 10,420
- 2
- 0
Because the hatred is no longer equally distributed between the U.S. and the now defunct Soviet Union.
Random Variable
Lifer
- Aug 10, 2001
- 10,420
- 2
- 0
One of chief exports is weapons, and we contribute by far the lowest percent of our GDP to humanitarian aid.
Just look at the relationship between the US and Israel, follow the money trails.
Just look at the relationship between the US and Israel, follow the money trails.
So, basically, we export a ton of weapons, but do relatively little to help other people. So we basically encourage strife and dissention in other parts of the world?
Edumicate me.
The reason that they hate us is absolutely irrelevant.
Terrorism can not be tolerated - I could give a flying f*ck what the terrorist's agenda is. By pandering to terrorists, you encourage others to engage in similar cowardly acts.
Hunt them down like dogs. Make them an example of how not to go about pursuing an agenda.
Terrorism can not be tolerated - I could give a flying f*ck what the terrorist's agenda is. By pandering to terrorists, you encourage others to engage in similar cowardly acts.
Hunt them down like dogs. Make them an example of how not to go about pursuing an agenda.
Random Variable
Lifer
- Aug 10, 2001
- 10,420
- 2
- 0
The media is not as slanted as people portray it. There is always someone on TV complaing about U.S. foreign policy.
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