Causes of terrorism, at home and abroad?

[Orsorum]

Inspired by a quote from my friend, SMP... why did September 11th happen? Why does al queda hate us so much?

We have done something to cause this conflict, but most aren't willing to discuss it or admit to it. For those of you that are, and are willing of having a rational, adult conversation, please join in.

I guess you never bothered to ask yourself why bad things happen in the first place? I guess you're satisfied with the "they're jealous of America's freedom" answer?

 

[J3anyus]

They hate us for a few reasons:

A) Their God has a bigger dick than our God, and they feel they need to prove that.
B) Americans are, in general, complete idiots that take everything for granted and still complain that they don't have everything they want. Welcome to life.

I'm at work and I'm too lazy to actually write much.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and are willing of having a rational, adult conversation, please join in.

Does that mean i can't post in this thread?

whoops. sorry.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Zakath15
and are willing of having a rational, adult conversation, please join in.

Does that mean i can't post in this thread?

whoops. sorry.

Hey, at least someone reads the entire post.

 

[pulse8]

Does it really matter why they hate us?

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: pulse8
Does it really matter why they hate us?

Yes

Posts like that illustrate our general unwillingness to acknowledge and accept points of view that differ from our own, just like islamic fundamentalists. In my more open-minded opinion, I believe this is the reason.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: pulse8
Does it really matter why they hate us?

Yes

Posts like that illustrate our general unwillingness to acknowledge and accept points of view that differ from our own. In my more open-minded opinion, I believe this is the reason.

We can't keep on fighting everyone forever. Fighting Japan and Germany in WWII was one thing (Pearl Harbor being the reference), fighting al queda and "terror" is another. We have done something, directly or indirectly, to cause this. If we can do something to prevent it from happening again, we need to know what that is and do it.

 

[Nefrodite]

i don't consider a region full of fundamentalists/poverty/government sponsored disinformation against jews and thus america etc etc to me very rational. its like trying to figure out why the nazi's hated us. even if you found a reason, it wouldn't be much good.

the only reason anyone deals with em is because they sit on oil. they are good for nothing, thats their only export, and they need help finding the bloody stuff. thats one area better off being colonized then free. or atleast having their oil taken so they have to work for a living.

 

[ggavinmoss]

Originally posted by: pulse8
Does it really matter why they hate us?

Absolutely.

It's usually a good idea to not have other nations hate you. The world dynamic is constantly changing and the best way for the U.S. to stay strong is to understand the world. Trying to solve a problem without understanding the root causes leads to knee-jerk fixes to the problem. (It's true in software and it's true in world politics.) Addressing the sympoms of our current situation won't lead to solving the overall problem.

-geoff

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
i don't consider a region full of fundamentalists/poverty/government sponsored disinformation against jews and thus america etc etc to me very rational. its like trying to figure out why the nazi's hated us. even if you found a reason, it wouldn't be much good.

First off, way to generalize. That's one of the signs of extreme ignorance... grouping together all the middle eastern nations as though they're all deserving of our contempt. Second, the issue with al queda extends far beyond the middle east (into asia and europe, wouldn't be surprised if it were in South America and Africa too. Don't know about Antarctica, ).

 

[Nefrodite]

your vague question demands a generalized answer your fault, not mine.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
your vague question demands a generalized answer your fault, not mine.

Bah.

Maybe I'm mistakenly thinking everyone is thinking along the same wavelength as me. bin laden's hatred of America has to stem from somewhere, not just because "he's Muslim" or any sort of bullsh!t like that; we used to support him. What have we done to turn him against us? What have we done to turn ourselves into "The Great Satan"?

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Inspired by a quote from my friend, SMP... why did September 11th happen? Why does al queda hate us so much? We have done something to cause this conflict, but most aren't willing to discuss it or admit to it. For those of you that are, and are willing of having a rational, adult conversation, please join in.

I guess you never bothered to ask yourself why bad things happen in the first place? I guess you're satisfied with the "they're jealous of America's freedom" answer?

Wow .. I'm flattered
My observations are such;
The World Trade Center got hit
The pentagon got hit.
What has been happening in the past decade? Anti-globalization has become a pretty big movement. What does the world trade center symbolize and what does the pentagon symbolize? To many, the world trade center is a symbol of America's global economic might and the pentagon is the muscle that backs it up. This can be a whole other argument in itself, but those are my observations.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: pulse8
Does it really matter why they hate us?

Yes

Posts like that illustrate our general unwillingness to acknowledge and accept points of view that differ from our own. In my more open-minded opinion, I believe this is the reason.

We can't keep on fighting everyone forever. Fighting Japan and Germany in WWII was one thing (Pearl Harbor being the reference), fighting al queda and "terror" is another. We have done something, directly or indirectly, to cause this. If we can do something to prevent it from happening again, we need to know what that is and do it.

So, basicly, your position is that we are always "wrong" and that their just can't be radicals that resent the US? Have you never heard the phrase........."When you're on top, there will always be someone out there wsnting to knock you down?" Look down through the ages.............whomever was considered to be the "worldpower" has always been challenged. You can not please everyone and attempting to do so will always compromise your own beliefs which will lend to your own destruction. The "dynasties" which have lasted the longest throughout time have stood fast in their beliefs and defended them.................

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

So, basicly, your position is that we are always "wrong" and that their just can't be radicals that resent the US? Have you never heard the phrase........."When you're on top, there will always be someone out there wsnting to knock you down?" Look down through the ages.............whomever was considered to be the "worldpower" has always been challenged. You can not please everyone and attempting to do so will always compromise your own beliefs which will lend to your own destruction. The "dynasties" which have lasted the longest throughout time have stood fast in their beliefs and defended them.................

We are not always wrong, and, no, we don't need to please everyone. However, if we are so stuck on our own greatness and cannot pause to look at the root causes of terrorism, we will never be able to avert it. How many people must die before we step off our high horse and examine the causes of this "war on terrorism"?

 

[GasX]

Posts like that illustrate our general unwillingness to acknowledge and accept points of view that differ from our own, just like islamic fundamentalists. In my more open-minded opinion, I believe this is the reason.

The reason is that little dirty hateful cowards feel the need to destroy in order to make a point because they have pathetic meaningless lives and feel that such a statement means something...

I accept that their views are different than mine. I also acknowledge their evil sadistic lesser ways of communicating ith the outside world.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

In my more open-minded opinion, I believe this is the reason.

The reason is that little dirty hateful cowards feel the need to destroy in order to make a point because they have pathetic meaningless lives and feel that such a statement means something...

There's some terrible irony in this statement that I don't want to go into...

 

[Orsorum]

I'm sorry .. I don't want to start flames, I'de rather discuss .. I just can't stay out of thread like this.

Thought I'd complete SMP's quote.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: pulse8 Does it really matter why they hate us?

Yes Posts like that illustrate our general unwillingness to acknowledge and accept points of view that differ from our own. In my more open-minded opinion, I believe this is the reason.

We can't keep on fighting everyone forever. Fighting Japan and Germany in WWII was one thing (Pearl Harbor being the reference), fighting al queda and "terror" is another. We have done something, directly or indirectly, to cause this. If we can do something to prevent it from happening again, we need to know what that is and do it.

So, basicly, your position is that we are always "wrong" and that their just can't be radicals that resent the US? Have you never heard the phrase........."When you're on top, there will always be someone out there wsnting to knock you down?" Look down through the ages.............whomever was considered to be the "worldpower" has always been challenged. You can not please everyone and attempting to do so will always compromise your own beliefs which will lend to your own destruction. The "dynasties" which have lasted the longest throughout time have stood fast in their beliefs and defended them.................

And didn't you read also about the tyranny of those empires in your history books? The mongols, the turks, the romans, the british, the spanish .. etc etc etc .. none of them had hands clean of blood .. and to many, neither does the U.S.

disclaimer .. I am sensative to what happened on 911, as sensative as most, but I refuse to play the 'yes man' regardless.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
your vague question demands a generalized answer your fault, not mine.

Bah.

Maybe I'm mistakenly thinking everyone is thinking along the same wavelength as me. bin laden's hatred of America has to stem from somewhere, not just because "he's Muslim" or any sort of bullsh!t like that; we used to support him. What have we done to turn him against us? What have we done to turn ourselves into "The Great Satan"?

ever heard of the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

 

[Bulk Beef]

Zakath- you've posed the question. What do you think the answer is?

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

So, basicly, your position is that we are always "wrong" and that their just can't be radicals that resent the US? Have you never heard the phrase........."When you're on top, there will always be someone out there wsnting to knock you down?" Look down through the ages.............whomever was considered to be the "worldpower" has always been challenged. You can not please everyone and attempting to do so will always compromise your own beliefs which will lend to your own destruction. The "dynasties" which have lasted the longest throughout time have stood fast in their beliefs and defended them.................

We are not always wrong, and, no, we don't need to please everyone. However, if we are so stuck on our own greatness and cannot pause to look at the root causes of terrorism, we will never be able to avert it. How many people must die before we step off our high horse and examine the causes of this "war on terrorism"?

Who said we were "stuck"???? Fact of the matter is, we were complacent! So you're thinking we should address the demands of bin Laden and al Quada, even when the majority of the Muslim world does not agree with them???? What happens to the fact that the US does not deal with or negotiate with terroists? If our "High Horse" is that we don't want our buildings and skyscrapers hit by planes or other terroism..........then yeah, we do have to defned it just as we are! How can you be so sure that bin Laden and al Quada simply want Americans dead simply because they are different than they are.............

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: sward666
Zakath- you've posed the question. What do you think the answer is?

I don't know the answer. That's why I'm asking.

If anything, I think it would be a dramatic shift in our international policy. i.e. pull back in, withdraw from the UN, pull back our soldiers from however many countries they may be stationed in. Let the rest of the world take care of themselves. It's not our place or prerogative to police the world or to impose our morals upon them.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Who said we were "stuck"???? Fact of the matter is, we were complacent! So you're thinking we should address the demands of bin Laden and al Quada, even when the majority of the Muslim world does not agree with them???? What happens to the fact that the US does not deal with or negotiate with terroists? If our "High Horse" is that we don't want our buildings and skyscrapers hit by planes or other terroism..........then yeah, we do have to defned it just as we are! How can you be so sure that bin Laden and al Quada simply want Americans dead simply because they are different than they are.............

I'm not saying that we should negotiate with bin laden. I despise him and his whole train of thought.

however... we are not without some fault in this whole debacle. Kill bin laden, if you can... just make sure we don't make dozens more like him in the process.

 

[Bulk Beef]

If anything, I think it would be a dramatic shift in our international policy. i.e. pull back in, withdraw from the UN, pull back our soldiers from however many countries they may be stationed in. Let the rest of the world take care of themselves. It's not our place or prerogative to police the world or to impose our morals upon them.

That's called isolationism, and it doesn't work.