Originally posted by: CycloWizard
M: You know that we are forgiven. The reason, though not so obvious, is that there can be no guild. People are asleep. They do not know what they feel. You can't be responsible when you act for reasons you are totally unconscious of. Only the awakened could really be guilty of anything. You have this notion of personal responsibility because your position falls apart in its absence. It is totally false. There is no good or evil. But there is a powerful urge to point fingers and punish the result of the use of violence to produce conformity.
C: In your position, I can't be culpable for enslaving the woman either, so why should I care? I am free to enslave her, rape her, shoot her in the head, or whatever I please because I am incapable of choice. This presents a contradiction, since the only way one can be a slave is if they are forced to act against their will, though the heart of your argument is that there is no will. If there is no will, we are already slaves and nothing will change if my position is enforced.
M: Take the case of a woman who has been raped and is pregnant. She doesn't want the child. It reminds her of her horror and cause tremendous emotional pain. The fetus will know nothing feel nothing if it is aborted because it is at the level of an amoeba. The woman has priority because she is conscious, fully human, and in pain. You claim that your fantasy of the value the fetus could have as a fully conscious and mature person outweighs the fact that's the actual condition of the woman, now. You value your hypothetical over the real. This is why absolute thinking is insane. You value your fabrications over real human pain. Somebody real should suffer for your beliefs. Nope.
C: You assume that the fetus is at the level of the amoeba, though you have no way of knowing that with any degree of certainty. You assume that it is unaware and does not feel pain. Given these assumptions, I would arrive at the same conclusion as you: let the woman do as she pleases. Unfortunately, I have examined these assumptions and found them to be the same fantasy that you ascribe to my assumption: that I don't know the Truth of the matter. In this case, the Truth is either that the fetus is alive, conscious, feels pain; it isn't any of these things; or somewhere in between. You claim to know the Truth, but it is only your truth - it is what you believe to be true.
