Cat 5.13 puts ATI ahead of NVIDA in video playback

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Go guy a 512MB GTX... 😱

Did your X1800XT mastercard come in yet? 😛

 

[rbV5]

AT article up: ATI's Avivo Update - H.264 Acceleration & a Special Downloadable Surprise

Starting next tuesday, Radeon X1000 owners will be able to download, for free, ATI's Catalyst 5.13 driver and a Cyberlink H.264 decoder that hooks into ATI's GPU and enables hardware acceleration of H.264. More specifically, ATI's Radeon X1000 GPU in combination with the Cyberlink H.264 decoder will handle the in-loop deblocking, motion compensation and inverse transform that occur during H.264 decoding. Unfortunately, ATI only had a beta ready for us in time for this review, so there were some bugs. Right now ATI is hoping to have the final version available on the 22nd.

Reading now.

 

[rbV5]

ATI's Gift to X1000 Owners - Get the Avivo Video Converter, Today!
Last year ATI was busy launching a bunch of cards that didn't make it to stores in time for the holidays, but thanks to the Avivo team things are working a little different this time around. ATI has given us permission to distribute the beta Avivo Video Converter to our readers today under one condition - that we make it very clear that this converter is not supported by ATI, so don't complain if things don't work perfectly.

Despite that warning from ATI, we had fewer problems with the Avivo Video Converter than we did with the beta H.264 decoder - it's actually in amazingly good shape for unsupported, pre-release software.

The download is approximately 2.3MB zipped and you can get it here. Feel free to distribute it as you would like - you can grab it here. Remember, it only works on ATI Radeon X1000 cards but who knows if some of our more creative users may be able to find ways around that.

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:shocked: Whoa! what are you waiting for!!! Link

 

[RobertR1]

I'm just happy to see Ati delivering. Now we can just get Crytek to release the FarCry HDR+AA patch, I'd be happy!

 

[RiDE]

look at all the fanboys ^ 😱

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Small victory? Its not about teams here. Despite what your childish namecalling and attitude might think.

Go guy a 512MB GTX... 😱

Yeah right ackmed, this entire thread itself contradicts what you just said.

CHildish name calling? Cry me a river. First of all it was a joke. Second of all, that was nothing compared to what goes on in this forum.

Referring to people who had posted in this thread as 'fanATIcs' (and calling the thread a 'circle jerk') is contributing to 'what goes on in this forum'. Your post certainly did not come across as a joke to everyone, and other people doing worse things does not make posting flamebait acceptable.

Looks like teams to me. Even though you try to hide it ackmed (and most of the time do a good job of it) you are one of the biggest fanboys on this forum.

You quote three *other* people, then conclude Ackmed is a 'fanboy'? Good reasoning skills there. And also a personal attack; just what the thread needed. :disgust:

You're reasoning skills seem to be a little rusty too Mathias. Ackmed calls me out, but ignores the fanATIcs who use the term "nVidiot" and other clearly bias statements???

Sounds to me like you're a fanboy too Mathias, calling me out, but ignoring the bias fanboy statements made by numerous people in this thread alone... not even considering the entire forum... just like Ackmed. :disgust:

 

[rbV5]

Sounds to me like you're a fanboy too Mathias, calling me out, but ignoring the bias fanboy statements made by numerous people in this thread alone... not even considering the entire forum... just like Ackmed.

Have you posted anything but inthis thread? How about staying on-topic..if you can?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Small victory? Its not about teams here. Despite what your childish namecalling and attitude might think.

Go guy a 512MB GTX... 😱

Yeah right ackmed, this entire thread itself contradicts what you just said.

CHildish name calling? Cry me a river. First of all it was a joke. Second of all, that was nothing compared to what goes on in this forum.

Referring to people who had posted in this thread as 'fanATIcs' (and calling the thread a 'circle jerk') is contributing to 'what goes on in this forum'. Your post certainly did not come across as a joke to everyone, and other people doing worse things does not make posting flamebait acceptable.

Looks like teams to me. Even though you try to hide it ackmed (and most of the time do a good job of it) you are one of the biggest fanboys on this forum.

You quote three *other* people, then conclude Ackmed is a 'fanboy'? Good reasoning skills there. And also a personal attack; just what the thread needed. :disgust:

You're reasoning skills seem to be a little rusty too Mathias. Ackmed calls me out, but ignores the fanATIcs who use the term "nVidiot" and other clearly bias statements???

First: other people doing something against the forum's rules does not make it okay for you to do it as well. Second: this is about you, not Ackmed. *You* started it with your first post in this thread, which was pretty clear flamebait.

There were other people toeing the line in this thread, but your post was siginficantly worse than any of them.

Sounds to me like you're a fanboy too Mathias, calling me out, but ignoring the bias fanboy statements made by numerous people in this thread alone... not even considering the entire forum... just like Ackmed. :disgust:

I'm not going to sink to your level; I think the thread and your comments speak for themselves.

 

[gunblade]

I think it is just marketing reason in order to have people buying the lackluster x1600 instead of the superior x800. Ati knows that they need some arbitrarily imposed feature to seperate the mid-end line. And this video converter is it.

The similar case hapens on the r200 too when Ati decided to not support r200 in Vista and their CCC.

 

[rbV5]

The similar case hapens on the r200 too when Ati decided to not support r200 in Vista and their CCC

How can they when its not a DX9 card? I'm running CCC with my 8500 as well. I do agree with the gist of your argument however, but you gave poor examples.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Hanners

Originally posted by: rbV5

The 7800 series has an updated Purevideo core, including support for H.264.

Does H264 support work yet? and how would that affect DVD decoding tests?

H.264 support is not yet working on the GeForce 7800 series. It wouldn't affect the performance or image quality of DVD decoding tests at all however, as DVD playback utilises the MPEG-2 codec.

Hell...last night I tried playing Da Vinci 1080p on my 6800NU and it was skippy. I received my 7800GT and installed it just today, and Da Vinci 1080p playback is *almost* flawless, but only in the Nero ShowTime player. It could have just been the reboot (shut off from uninstalling other card), but I have a feeling H.264 support is working.

It says H.264 for this driver:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1116

And I'm using 81.95 WHQL. I assume it's in 81.85 as well since it's later?

And yes, the PureVideo chip is different in the 7800 series from the 6800s. It adds H.264 support.

 

[secretanchitman]

nice job for ATI. that conversion to any portable format (PSP, iPod, etc) is awesome!

and congrats for a new driver release too!

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Hanners

Originally posted by: rbV5

The 7800 series has an updated Purevideo core, including support for H.264.

Does H264 support work yet? and how would that affect DVD decoding tests?

H.264 support is not yet working on the GeForce 7800 series. It wouldn't affect the performance or image quality of DVD decoding tests at all however, as DVD playback utilises the MPEG-2 codec.

Hell...last night I tried playing Da Vinci 1080p on my 6800NU and it was skippy. I received my 7800GT and installed it just today, and Da Vinci 1080p playback is *almost* flawless, but only in the Nero ShowTime player. It could have just been the reboot (shut off from uninstalling other card), but I have a feeling H.264 support is working.

It says H.264 for this driver:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1116

And I'm using 81.95 WHQL. I assume it's in 81.85 as well since it's later?

And yes, the PureVideo chip is different in the 7800 series from the 6800s. It adds H.264 support.

That beta driver is from June '05. I read through the forceware driver manual and H264 isn't mentioned. Hopefully it would do better than "almost" flawless on your rig. I tend to think its not been enabled yet.

And yes, the PureVideo chip is different in the 7800 series from the 6800s. It adds H.264 support.

Untill its working, how is that different than the h264 support claimed for NV40 when it launched?

 

[Steelski]

Hey ......I dont see Rollo around here. You know why, coz he's not a chump like most idiotis in here ....blabing about the Nvidia still being good in video(it is good but now there is better).....hello........incase you dident know. the pure video is esentially the same. like the rage theatre chip on the old ATI cards that was around forever. not fair comparison........are you kidding. if they used a X1300 they would have gotten the same results. like the 9700 got the same DVD results as the X850XTPE like the 6600 would get the same results as the 7800GTX512. all you blabbing about the 7800 supporting HD...yes it does in shader processing....which has......NOTHING to do with decoding quality.....
Simply put the new algorythmes for AVIVO kick anything in the entry, mainstream and highend desktop sector. Deal with it....its a bit of a fact.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Hanners

Originally posted by: rbV5

The 7800 series has an updated Purevideo core, including support for H.264.

Does H264 support work yet? and how would that affect DVD decoding tests?

H.264 support is not yet working on the GeForce 7800 series. It wouldn't affect the performance or image quality of DVD decoding tests at all however, as DVD playback utilises the MPEG-2 codec.

Hell...last night I tried playing Da Vinci 1080p on my 6800NU and it was skippy. I received my 7800GT and installed it just today, and Da Vinci 1080p playback is *almost* flawless, but only in the Nero ShowTime player. It could have just been the reboot (shut off from uninstalling other card), but I have a feeling H.264 support is working.

It says H.264 for this driver:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1116

And I'm using 81.95 WHQL. I assume it's in 81.85 as well since it's later?

And yes, the PureVideo chip is different in the 7800 series from the 6800s. It adds H.264 support.

Its done with shaders and it does not improve quality.....just pure speed

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Small victory? Its not about teams here. Despite what your childish namecalling and attitude might think.

Go guy a 512MB GTX... 😱

Yeah right ackmed, this entire thread itself contradicts what you just said.

CHildish name calling? Cry me a river. First of all it was a joke. Second of all, that was nothing compared to what goes on in this forum.

Referring to people who had posted in this thread as 'fanATIcs' (and calling the thread a 'circle jerk') is contributing to 'what goes on in this forum'. Your post certainly did not come across as a joke to everyone, and other people doing worse things does not make posting flamebait acceptable.

Looks like teams to me. Even though you try to hide it ackmed (and most of the time do a good job of it) you are one of the biggest fanboys on this forum.

You quote three *other* people, then conclude Ackmed is a 'fanboy'? Good reasoning skills there. And also a personal attack; just what the thread needed. :disgust:

You're reasoning skills seem to be a little rusty too Mathias. Ackmed calls me out, but ignores the fanATIcs who use the term "nVidiot" and other clearly bias statements???

First: other people doing something against the forum's rules does not make it okay for you to do it as well. Second: this is about you, not Ackmed. *You* started it with your first post in this thread, which was pretty clear flamebait.

There were other people toeing the line in this thread, but your post was siginficantly worse than any of them.

Sounds to me like you're a fanboy too Mathias, calling me out, but ignoring the bias fanboy statements made by numerous people in this thread alone... not even considering the entire forum... just like Ackmed. :disgust:

I'm not going to sink to your level; I think the thread and your comments speak for themselves.

:roll:

You and other so-called "neutrals" (throw Ackmed in this group as well) are the biggest reason this forum is the way it is.

If someone posts something praising Nvidia and ATI fans crap the thread, then it's ok.

Someone posts something praising ATI and ATI fanboys flame Nvidia, it's also ok.

But as soon as an "nVidiot" posts something similar to the anti-Nvidia FUD in this thread, then it's detrimental to the forums?

Give me a break.

My first couple of posts were directed at Ackmed anyways, who asked you to butt in?

EDIT: Dont even bother responding Mathias, for the sake of the OP, others interested in the topic and not having this thread locked, I'm done with this thread.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Small victory? Its not about teams here. Despite what your childish namecalling and attitude might think.

Go guy a 512MB GTX... 😱

Yeah right ackmed, this entire thread itself contradicts what you just said.

CHildish name calling? Cry me a river. First of all it was a joke. Second of all, that was nothing compared to what goes on in this forum.

Referring to people who had posted in this thread as 'fanATIcs' (and calling the thread a 'circle jerk') is contributing to 'what goes on in this forum'. Your post certainly did not come across as a joke to everyone, and other people doing worse things does not make posting flamebait acceptable.

Looks like teams to me. Even though you try to hide it ackmed (and most of the time do a good job of it) you are one of the biggest fanboys on this forum.

You quote three *other* people, then conclude Ackmed is a 'fanboy'? Good reasoning skills there. And also a personal attack; just what the thread needed. :disgust:

You're reasoning skills seem to be a little rusty too Mathias. Ackmed calls me out, but ignores the fanATIcs who use the term "nVidiot" and other clearly bias statements???

First: other people doing something against the forum's rules does not make it okay for you to do it as well. Second: this is about you, not Ackmed. *You* started it with your first post in this thread, which was pretty clear flamebait.

There were other people toeing the line in this thread, but your post was siginficantly worse than any of them.

Sounds to me like you're a fanboy too Mathias, calling me out, but ignoring the bias fanboy statements made by numerous people in this thread alone... not even considering the entire forum... just like Ackmed. :disgust:

I'm not going to sink to your level; I think the thread and your comments speak for themselves.

:roll:

You and other so-called "neutrals" (throw Ackmed in this group as well) are the biggest reason this forum is the way it is.

If someone posts something praising Nvidia and ATI fans crap the thread, then it's ok.

Someone posts something praising ATI and ATI fanboys flame Nvidia, it's also ok.

But as soon as an "nVidiot" posts something similar to the anti-Nvidia FUD in this thread, then it's detrimental to the forums?

Give me a break.

My first couple of posts were directed at Ackmed anyways, who asked you to butt in?

EDIT: Dont even bother responding Mathias, for the sake of the OP, others interested in the topic and not having this thread locked, I'm done with this thread.

The best way to improve these forums is to stop engaging in such pointless banter that is completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

 

[imported_ST]

ignoring all the fanoi hoopla, this is a great release for ATI and win for the consumer in general (especilaly HTPC enthusiasts like myself).

anybody have both x1800xl/xt and 7800gt/gtx and could post picks of dvd playback upsampled to 1920x1080p or so, with and without video postprocessing (ffdshow)? benchmarks are great, but i'd like to see real world results as well.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: southpawuni
Hey, if you cant bring cards to market at launch.. and you cant defeat Nvidia in SLI technologies or become the gamers choice, which would be Nvidia's position right now.. might as well accelerate some video?

😀

Haha, good job anyway ATI. Nice to see them offering something worth reading about.

You sir are a nvidiot. ATI has the performance crown for cards that are in production, the 512mb GTX is no longer available and was never planned on being in production long. ATI's crossfire is 5-7% faster then Nvidia's SLI and to top it off they have better video playback. Learn more spam less, yes Nvidia has a good card the 7800GT but that is the only card worth buying from them.

You defeated yourself at your own argument, wheres the X1800 crossfire master?

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: Matt2

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EDIT: Dont even bother responding Mathias, for the sake of the OP, others interested in the topic and not having this thread locked, I'm done with this thread.

clap, clap,clap, thank god.

 

[Hacp]

Knowing Nvidia, they will probably release some free software and come up with drivers to improve their card's performance in the near future, supporting all cards. At least I hope so cause I got a 6600GT 🙁.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rbV5

And yes, the PureVideo chip is different in the 7800 series from the 6800s. It adds H.264 support.

Untill its working, how is that different than the h264 support claimed for NV40 when it launched?

H.264 support was claimed for the NV40? I only remember MPEG-2 and WMV.

For some reason the Da Vinci Code 1080p plays a lot faster on my system today than it did last night. I can definitely confirm that (not the placebo effect). The cause of the speed-up I don't know, but I suspected it to be the 7800GT. The 1080p clips never played fast on my system so that leers me away from thinking it was just a reboot...who knows. Then again I do find it odd NVIDIA wouldn't be touting it. Only the Nero decoder seems to be fast. Maybe the Nero decoder has some sort of acceleration in it (shaders?) FFDShow and Moonlight decoders are laggy. Nero too was laggy last night when I still had my 6800NU. (I am talking about the Gaming Rig in my sig.) The 720p played butter smooth last night as I remember, so it wasn't a general stutter/CPU-hungry process performance issue either.

If this is 'H.264 acceleration' though I'd be disappointed because there was some stuttering, but the vast majority of it was fine.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: rbV5

And yes, the PureVideo chip is different in the 7800 series from the 6800s. It adds H.264 support.

Untill its working, how is that different than the h264 support claimed for NV40 when it launched?

H.264 support was claimed for the NV40? I only remember MPEG-2 and WMV.

For some reason the Da Vinci Code 1080p plays a lot faster on my system today than it did last night. I can definitely confirm that (not the placebo effect). The cause of the speed-up I don't know, but I suspected it to be the 7800GT. The 1080p clips never played fast on my system so that leers me away from thinking it was just a reboot...who knows. Then again I do find it odd NVIDIA wouldn't be touting it. Only the Nero decoder seems to be fast. Maybe the Nero decoder has some sort of acceleration in it (shaders?) FFDShow and Moonlight decoders are laggy. Nero too was laggy last night.

If this is 'H.264 acceleration' though I'd be disappointed because there was some stuttering, but the vast majority of it was fine.

I don't think its a placebo effect either, but my X1800XL can play that file back in Nero Showtime nearly flawless, and even better in graphedit with ffdshow and no postprocessing with a 1.8 GHz AMD64...I know it has no H264 acceleration. As for purevideo for NV40, here's some interesting Nvidia slides from Hardforum from NV40's launch Link

edit: H with brackets made my post screwy.

 

[xtknight]

Scratch that then...now it's playing fine in ffdshow (maybe it always was: I think I meant Quicktime instead of ffdshow being slow in my last post, lol)....still bad in Quicktime though. Media Player Classic/Overlay can't play it worth a darn for some reason (and won't even let me list the Filters and can't connect to it with Graphedit?!) Windows Media Player does fine with ffdshow/VMR9. My CPU is between 97% and 100% half of the time during it on any player.

What I found odd was this: let "x" be the position at which the video stutters. When I just press play and let it play all the way through, X will stutter. After X stutters, I go back and seek before X. Next time it plays through X, X does not stutter. Memory usage is just a mere something under 350 MB total. It's like something's fatiguing. My GPU was at 42C the whole time, further confirming there's no acceleration there, and also confirming that's probably not fatiguing from heat even if there was acceleration. Don't know about my CPU, but I don't think it's in any dire state either. Last time I checked it was 35C. FFDShow though didn't fatigue at all, only Nero.

I really hope they add H.264 acceleration to the 7800 cards, and likewise I hope ATI gets it on the X1K cards finally. Here's some slides: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=741372#post741372 I hope "Christmas 2005" means current H.264 support for 7800 cards and not newer H.264 hardware. NVIDIA wouldn't be releasing their new chip (or even a new revision) within the next 3 weeks would they? Look at DXVA 2.0 too lower in that thread.

Edit: just added second/third paragraph to this post. changed nothing in first.

 

[bjc112]

I can't wait to see how much pressure the AVIVO Cat 5.13 takes off the CPU during HD playback..

Especially H.264