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Cat 5.13 puts ATI ahead of NVIDA in video playback

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Scratch that then...now it's playing fine in ffdshow (maybe it always was: I think I meant Quicktime instead of ffdshow being slow in my last post, lol)....still bad in Quicktime though. Media Player Classic/Overlay can't play it worth a darn for some reason (and won't even let me list the Filters and can't connect to it with Graphedit?!) Windows Media Player does fine with ffdshow/VMR9. My CPU is between 97% and 100% half of the time during it on any player.

What I found odd was this: let "x" be the position at which the video stutters. When I just press play and let it play all the way through, X will stutter. After X stutters, I go back and seek before X. Next time it plays through X, X does not stutter. Memory usage is just a mere something under 350 MB total. It's like something's fatiguing. My GPU was at 42C the whole time, further confirming there's no acceleration there, and also confirming that's probably not fatiguing from heat even if there was acceleration. Don't know about my CPU, but I don't think it's in any dire state either. Last time I checked it was 35C. FFDShow though didn't fatigue at all, only Nero.

I really hope they add H.264 acceleration to the 7800 cards, and likewise I hope ATI gets it on the X1K cards finally. Here's some slides: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=741372#post741372 I hope "Christmas 2005" means current H.264 support for 7800 cards and not newer H.264 hardware. NVIDIA wouldn't be releasing their new chip (or even a new revision) within the next 3 weeks would they? Look at DXVA 2.0 too lower in that thread.

Edit: just added second/third paragraph to this post. changed nothing in first.
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There's a good interview with Scott Vouri of Nvidia about Purevideo. I had missed it, and reading it now, thumbing through it, it seeems like a good read. Link

edit: link issues
 
It certainly "sounds" like they're serious. (from the linked interview November 10, 2005)

Scott Vouri: To NVIDIA, PureVideo is about achieving digital video perfection, not just on PCs but on any device. We constantly push the limits of our video performance because as we grow our company into new markets, best-of-class video is as important, if not more important, than 3D rendering capabilities. Already you see NVIDIA is in mobile phones, PDAs and many other devices where our video processing quality is highly valued. One can only imagine where you will be viewing an NVIDIA rendered video pixel next.
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First of all, congrats to ATI for the new driver. Your turn NVidia.
Secondly, congrats to ATI for letting AT distribute the beta driver. Now that is cool!
Thirdly, good article AT.

Finally, since there is so little 720p/1080p material available, aside from a few trailers, it has little real impact now. But it shows you that ATI's driver team is ahead of the game, and that is good.
 
Originally posted by: Hacp
Knowing Nvidia, they will probably release some free software and come up with drivers to improve their card's performance in the near future, supporting all cards. At least I hope so cause I got a 6600GT 🙁.
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I dont think it will be the case (6600GT owner here too).

This thread is funny, the same people were blabbing on how great video performance was when Purevideo > AVIVO. (re: de-interlacing article)

rofl :laugh:
 
i must admit, i was in the "Atis drivers friggin suck" camp for a long time, but their last few releases have really came through it seems, real performance increases in openGL and now transcoding are not a small accomplishment.

The sad shed of truth to all this is, i need content to care.

the only features i use right now are WMV and MPEG-2/4 decoding and encoding, maybe some divx/xvid which is unsupported.

On top of that, i want real working decoder plugins for players i use, not proprietary crap.
 
Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Hey, if you cant bring cards to market at launch.. and you cant defeat Nvidia in SLI technologies or become the gamers choice, which would be Nvidia's position right now.. might as well accelerate some video?

😀

Haha, good job anyway ATI. Nice to see them offering something worth reading about.
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You sir are a nvidiot. ATI has the performance crown for cards that are in production, the 512mb GTX is no longer available and was never planned on being in production long. ATI's crossfire is 5-7% faster then Nvidia's SLI and to top it off they have better video playback. Learn more spam less, yes Nvidia has a good card the 7800GT but that is the only card worth buying from them.
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And we all know you're a fanATic from your past rantings. So what's the problem?
ATi did a good thing here. Especially offering free software to utilize Avivo if you have software that supports DXVA. As Ackmed posted, we would still have to pay for nvidia's software for PureVideo. So this is a nice change of wind for ATi. It shows me they will try now and again to do something for their consumers.

 
I have to agree the Firing Squad review was not really complete or fair. What I want to see is a full review of this software and how it performs using an X1300, X1600 and X1800. Then compare it to a 6800, 7800gt and 7800gtx using Purevideo. The other thing is that we were promised video decoding AND video encoding. ATI only delivered on half the promise. More likely, I think ATI knows they've lost this round and are delivering what they can now to appease current X1000 series owners. I think that they will be concentrating on the Jan'06 release (or product announcement, but hopefully release) of the RS580 series of cards. We probably won't see the video encoding half of AVIVO until then.

 
Originally posted by: akugami
I have to agree the Firing Squad review was not really complete or fair. What I want to see is a full review of this software and how it performs using an X1300, X1600 and X1800. Then compare it to a 6800, 7800gt and 7800gtx using Purevideo. The other thing is that we were promised video decoding AND video encoding. ATI only delivered on half the promise. More likely, I think ATI knows they've lost this round and are delivering what they can now to appease current X1000 series owners. I think that they will be concentrating on the Jan'06 release (or product announcement, but hopefully release) of the RS580 series of cards. We probably won't see the video encoding half of AVIVO until then.
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the fact that you want the GT and GTX in the same review is a bit of a mystery?
Using pure video.
When will people understand that the the 6 and 7 series dont really have much of a difference when it comes to decoding as its the same design for pure video. Why dont you write to firing squad and ask them as to why they used the 6600 instead of the 7800.

Actually. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2551&p=1
here is the AT pure video link.
As far as i am aware no quality has changed in the Nvidia camp. You can use the referance images from there if you like to compare to the firing squad ones. especially jaggies 2.
Oh look, no difference between 6600 and 7800GTX.
what a suprise.
 
rbV5: Sorry I did not clarify, I was using the Da Vinci 1080p Teaser, not the Trailer. The Teaser is a lot more intensive. The Trailer plays fine without stuttering on Nero on mine as well.
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
rbV5: Sorry I did not clarify, I was using the Da Vinci 1080p Teaser, not the Trailer. The Teaser is a lot more intensive. The Trailer plays fine without stuttering on Nero on mine as well.
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I think I'm talking about the "Teaser" as well "da_vinci_code-tsr2_h1080p.mov" from your link in the other thread. I've not run the "Trailer" I guess.
 
Originally posted by: Steelski
Originally posted by: akugami
I have to agree the Firing Squad review was not really complete or fair. What I want to see is a full review of this software and how it performs using an X1300, X1600 and X1800. Then compare it to a 6800, 7800gt and 7800gtx using Purevideo. The other thing is that we were promised video decoding AND video encoding. ATI only delivered on half the promise. More likely, I think ATI knows they've lost this round and are delivering what they can now to appease current X1000 series owners. I think that they will be concentrating on the Jan'06 release (or product announcement, but hopefully release) of the RS580 series of cards. We probably won't see the video encoding half of AVIVO until then.
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the fact that you want the GT and GTX in the same review is a bit of a mystery?
Using pure video.
When will people understand that the the 6 and 7 series dont really have much of a difference when it comes to decoding as its the same design for pure video. Why dont you write to firing squad and ask them as to why they used the 6600 instead of the 7800.

Actually. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2551&p=1
here is the AT pure video link.
As far as i am aware no quality has changed in the Nvidia camp. You can use the referance images from there if you like to compare to the firing squad ones. especially jaggies 2.
Oh look, no difference between 6600 and 7800GTX.
what a suprise.
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This is for completeness more than anything. You do a review you do it properly. Similar to how the X1000 series seems to be affected by what card you have for video acceleration, I'm just wondering if it'd affect things on a nVidia card as well.

I know what the claims are as far as Purevideo goes. However, since I have not had an nVidia card since before the Geforce 4 days I'm not as familiar with it as I am with ATI technologies.

I'm not a fanboy of any camp. I do admit I'm currently favoring ATI. But, as I said, I'm not a fanboy and if a review is to be done I'd rather it be as complete as possible (within reason) so none of the fanboys keep whining.
 
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
nice job for ATI. that conversion to any portable format (PSP, iPod, etc) is awesome!

and congrats for a new driver release too!
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Total HQV Benchmark Scores

ATI: 103
"With Catalyst 5.13, ATI becomes the first PC GPU to break the 100 point barrier on the HQV Benchmark DVD. This makes ATI AVIVO an excellent choice for DVD playback."

NVIDIA: 51
"Still going strong after one year, PureVideo represents a good video solution that provides great image quality with Hollywood films. Although NVIDIA's video deinterlacing was once considered the best among PC solutions with XGI and ATI now offering better diagonal interpolation, NVIDIA PureVideo is due for an update."

XGI: 38
"The XGI's low score on the benchmark is due to the fact that the Volari doesn't handle uncommon scenarios well. But common things are common, and for Hollywood movies and pure interlaced content, it's actually just as competitive as ATI's AVIVO with the exception of noise reduction and static images."

"Leap-frogging" competition. :shocked: 😀
 
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Matt2
*enters thread to see fanATIcs circle jerking to video playback*


😱:Q

I guess even a small victory is a victory. 🙂
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ROFL, you made my day sir.
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hmm, a case of sour grapes in the nvidiot camp i see southpuni? 😉
 
what about the x800 and x850? will the new software help out those cards and does anyone know where an article is about the hardware acceleration in the x800 or x850?
 
Originally posted by: vorgusa
what about the x800 and x850? will the new software help out those cards and does anyone know where an article is about the hardware acceleration in the x800 or x850?
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Yup, I'm pretty sure the much improved AVIVO is an X1xxx series feature. Pretty impressive: the X1800's have had successive driver updates boosting OpenGL performance and video decoding capabilities.

ATI is quietly putting together a very nice featureset on their cards; don't forget HQ AF. With R580 around the corner, suddenly doom and gloom seems a thing of the past.
 
From hexus:

"We'd also have liked ATI to have disclosed more fully that their X1K SKUs wouldn't have across-the-board equivalency for HD decode, after we asked Godfrey, "I take it performance of the assist scales with GPU engine clock? If so, is it right to assume lower performance on the slowest RV515 hardware, but performance that's still better than any other transcode or encode assist on other competing products?", back in October where he commented that they were only talking about R520 just then. That X1300 isn't as capable as X1600 or X1800 at decoding HD video is rather disappointing, although somewhat expected."

Thoughts on this?
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
From hexus:

"We'd also have liked ATI to have disclosed more fully that their X1K SKUs wouldn't have across-the-board equivalency for HD decode, after we asked Godfrey, "I take it performance of the assist scales with GPU engine clock? If so, is it right to assume lower performance on the slowest RV515 hardware, but performance that's still better than any other transcode or encode assist on other competing products?", back in October where he commented that they were only talking about R520 just then. That X1300 isn't as capable as X1600 or X1800 at decoding HD video is rather disappointing, although somewhat expected."

Thoughts on this?
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no suprise 😛 It brings even the mightiest CPU to it's knees...

And the encoding stuff i've seen was done on an x1300pro and it was still mindblowingly fast compared to CPU encoding...
 
not to mention they gotta stop kidding themselves with the politically correct magazine ads where half their ad models are guys😛 its like dude...is the gay market that big?
 
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